News Forum - Thailand anticipates American tourism influx due to Songkran

[PhuketBloke]

18 hours ago, cowslip said:

THe US founded the tourist sex industry in Thailand.

I am sure prostitution was founded a few thousand years before the USA ever existed.

Do you think there was no prostitution in Thailand before the Americans arrived, most of the brothers in Bangkok are for the locals.

[PhuketBloke]

20 hours ago, Poolie said:

That 1% is quite a lot of people isn't it?

No, it is not @Marc26said said 1% of tourists, not 1% of the population. 

[PhuketBloke]

19 hours ago, Poolie said:

356m in America, 746m in Europe, adds up to quite an amount, any way you paint 1% which was the point, not the 99% alleged 'innocents.'

ie 1% of 20m is 20,000.  A hefty group of perverts.

What was written was not cryptic but you keep on forgetting it, the quote was 1% of tourists visiting Thailand not 1% of a country's population. 

[Poolie]

4 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

What was written was not cryptic but you keep on forgetting it, the quote was 1% of tourists visiting Thailand not 1% of a country's population. 

The last figure was calculated at 20k, being 1% of 2m said tourists from America. My calculation, I've forgotten nothing. This was pared down after some wriggling from the other parties. A smaller figure but you wouldn't want them in your kitchen all at once.

[cowslip]

2 hours ago, 23RD said:

You do if you're not into Ladyboy's. 

There's a false dichotomy if ever I saw one!

 

My ex summed it up once looking at Soi 6.

"I feel sorry for them"

"What, these girls?"

"No, the men"

[cowslip]

22 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

I am sure prostitution was founded a few thousand years before the USA ever existed.

Do you think there was no prostitution in Thailand before the Americans arrived, most of the brothers in Bangkok are for the locals.

" The tourist sex industry" learn to read!!!

 

It works quite differently from the traditional industry. 

It was set up by Thai entrepreneurs with the help of the US military.

 

Whan the was lost in the mid 70s, tourism took over to maintain the industry.

[ThaiFoodGuy]

25 minutes ago, cowslip said:

It was set up by Thai entrepreneurs with the help of the US military.

Whan the was lost in the mid 70s, tourism took over to maintain the industry.

Hey @cowslip, did the US found war in Vietnam, too? By your logic, when Americans show up is the start of everything, right? Or wait sorry, the war INDUSTRY in Vietnam. And then American GIs showed up in Thailand, invented sex tourism, went back to Vietnam, lost the war thus crushing their entrepreneurial spirit, and returned to Thailand to enjoy the ROI on their invention.

And now, so many years later, when they rush back to the land of their sordid invention of sex for money, our dear friend @cowslip is here to remind us all of the real, verifiable truth of its humble sexy beginnings.

Can't wait to hear about how the first Americans visiting Thailand to celebrate Songkran invented that, too.

Edited March 23 by ThaiFoodGuy

[cowslip]

The way that sex tourism is organised was set up to cater for the US military.  As such it was America that founded the tourist sex industry as we know it in Thailand.
The US military presence in Thailand during the Vietnam War heavily influenced the way the tourist sex industry developed there. Here's why:
The surge  and  influx of US soldiers on leave in the 1960s and 70s created a massive, concentrated demand for sex services. This demand wasn't spread out among the general population, but clustered near US military..e.g. Pattaya. Udon, Bangkok.
 To meet this demand, a whole infrastructure of bars, brothels, and red-light districts emerged around these bases. This infrastructure, was established, following recommendations and instructions from the US military. This infrastructure remained and continued to cater to tourists after the war.
This open presence and tolerance of the sex industry around military bases may have desensitised some tourists to it, making it seem more acceptable.
While there was prostitution in Thailand before, the Vietnam War era undeniably shaped the tourist sex industry in these key ways:
 The industry grew dramatically due to the sheer number of soldiers seeking sex services.
Under the auspices of the US military, the industry became more organised and commercialised to cater to a large, specifically foreign clientele. (v.American fried rice! And “check-bin”)
 Red-light districts were concentrated near military bases, locations that still continues in the form of tourist areas today. The model for this sex industry was therefore established and easily transferred to other tourist areas.
So,  the US has directly "founded" the tourist sex industry, they developed the business model by specifying a different methodology from the old traditional system that enabled single men to  easily meet women without having to learn the language and in an environment they could feel comfortable in.
Since then it has undeniably played a significant role in shaping the development in Thailand of the tourist industry overall. Even nowadays Thai people go on holiday in largely different environments to Western tourists who follow the US model, particularly its scale, organization, and location.
Tourism as a whole accounts for over 20 % of GDP. Sex tourism is estimated to make up around 3% of GDP. Some estimates have even put it as high as 10% or 12%
 

[cowslip]

38 minutes ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

Hey @cowslip, did the US found war in Vietnam, too? By your logic, when Americans show up is the start of everything, right? Or wait sorry, the war INDUSTRY in Vietnam. And then American GIs showed up in Thailand, invented sex tourism, went back to Vietnam, lost the war thus crushing their entrepreneurial spirit, and returned to Thailand to enjoy the ROI on their invention.

And now, so many years later, when they rush back to the land of their sordid invention of sex for money, our dear friend @cowslip is here to remind us all of the real, verifiable truth of its humble sexy beginnings.

Can't wait to hear about how the first Americans visiting Thailand to celebrate Songkran invented that, too.

More gibberish ...Do you realise that nowhere on this thread have you but up a reasoned counter argument? of course you don't...

before waving your profound ignorance in public, wouldn't it be better to acquaint yourself with at least the basics of S.E. Asian history.

[23RD]

1 hour ago, cowslip said:

There's a false dichotomy if ever I saw one!

My ex summed it up once looking at Soi 6.

"I feel sorry for them"

"What, these girls?"

"No, the men"

I'm in Soi 6 once a  week at least and yes some off the Falang are the ones being exploited by snakes with plastic top ten hits agreed. 

[cowslip]

32 minutes ago, 23RD said:

I'm in Soi 6 once a  week at least and yes some off the Falang are the ones being exploited by snakes with plastic top ten hits agreed. 

it's noti ex[loitation it is their sad mentality. Misogyny it a tool used by m"marks" to justify their pathetic behaviour.

[Marc26]

2 hours ago, ThaiFoodGuy said:

You're hilarious! I love the "I know you are but what am I" approach to debate, I haven't experienced it since I was 9 or 10 so really this is nostalgic  You're wrong, but think you're right, and won't let your lying eyes deceive you. Your stoic dedication to being incorrect is impressive!

The US did not found the sex tourism industry. I've provided an undeniable resource supporting my position.

Happy Songkran ya freaks!

But what you provided doesn't refute what @cowslip is saying 

 

All you posted was the history of prostitution in Thailand 

 

Not about sex tourism 

 

There is quite a difference to Japanese soldiers using brothels and former slaves becoming prostitutes vs what we know now as the p4p industry in Thailand 

 

And the American GI's from the Vietnam War are hugely responsible for the explosion of sex tourism 

 

That was when people started to really notice and Europeans and Americans started coming to Thailand for sex

 

 

Now I don't think they "founded it"

Like I said above, I'd imagine those Japanese soldiers in WW2 came back but there is so little news available that's hard to prove 

 

 

So saying the US "founded it" is likely not 100% true

 

But the US soldiers absolutely made it known world wide and so much of the sex industry infrastructure (Pattaya, Bangkok) was built up to satisfy the Americans coming for R&R

[TSS]

The American GIs FOUND the Thai sex industry, then they partially westernized it, thus the beginnings of the modern day Thai tourist industry

[cowslip]

3 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

But what you provided doesn't refute what @cowslip is saying 

All you posted was the history of prostitution in Thailand 

Not about sex tourism 

There is quite a difference to Japanese soldiers using brothels and former slaves becoming prostitutes vs what we know now as the p4p industry in Thailand 

And the American GI's from the Vietnam War are hugely responsible for the explosion of sex tourism 

That was when people started to really notice and Europeans and Americans started coming to Thailand for sex

Now I don't think they "founded it"

Like I said above, I'd imagine those Japanese soldiers in WW2 came back but there is so little news available that's hard to prove 

So saying the US "founded it" is likely not 100% true

But the US soldiers absolutely made it known world wide and so much of the sex industry infrastructure (Pattaya, Bangkok) was built up to satisfy the Americans coming for R&R

so who do you think founded the tourist sex trade?

[Marc26]

2 hours ago, PhuketBloke said:

I am sure prostitution was founded a few thousand years before the USA ever existed.

Do you think there was no prostitution in Thailand before the Americans arrived, most of the brothers in Bangkok are for the locals.

You guys don't seem to understand what @cowslip is saying 

 

Yes, prostitution was around forever 

 

The commercialized sex tourism industry wasn't and American GI's coming over for R&R was a massive reason it got so popular and so much of the current sex tourism infrastructure was built to accommodate them

[Marc26]

All you have to do is look at the name of the old hotels in Bangkok 

 

The Miami Hotel

The Tampa Hotel

 

There is a great history of "American GI" hotels

I did a little tour of my own to find some of them my last trip

Most are gone nowadays

 

But so many opened up to accommodate the American GI's

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/NAR/Articles/The-GI-era-lives-on-in-Bangkok-for-now

[Marc26]

4 minutes ago, cowslip said:

so who do you think founded the tourist sex trade?

You do realize I am mostly agreeing with you, right?   

 

But I do think it was there is some infancy form before the 60-70's boom

 

Yes the American GI's are the cause for what we know as the current sex tourism industry, I 100% agree with yoi

 

 

I just think "founded" is probably not entirely accurrate 

 

All you have to do is look back all over Asia way before that time and prostitution in the form of entertainment (not just comfort and brothels) was widely available 

 

 

It's an interesting project I am going to do a little research on to find out what I can find on it

[TSS]

 

 

16 minutes ago, Marc26 said:

All you have to do is look back all over Asia way before that time and prostitution in the form of entertainment (not just comfort and brothels) was widely available 

That is correct - Marco Polo loved it

Edited March 23 by TSS

[PhuketBloke]

2 hours ago, cowslip said:

" The tourist sex industry" learn to read!!!

It works quite differently from the traditional industry. 

It was set up by Thai entrepreneurs with the help of the US military.

Whan the was lost in the mid 70s, tourism took over to maintain the industry.

And you don't think the Japanese had R and R as well with Thai women working as prostitutes?

That would have created an industry well before the Americans arrived.

They were called comfort girls to save face, in every war there have been local girls who turned to prostitution by choice including in Europe, for example, countries such as Holland. 

[PhuketBloke]

31 minutes ago, TSS said:

That is correct - Marco Polo loved it

At least he did not buy one of them a house, and a car, or have to look after the sick buffalo, and aging parents like a lot of farangs end up doing. 

Edited March 23 by PhuketBloke
typo

[cowslip]

10 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

And you don't think the Japanese had R and R as well with Thai women working as prostitutes?

That would have created an industry well before the Americans arrived.

They were called comfort girls to save face, in every war there have been local girls who turned to prostitution by choice including in Europe, for example, countries such as Holland. 

you think that is the same as a tourist sex industry?

[PhuketBloke]

20 minutes ago, cowslip said:

you think that is the same as a tourist sex industry?

Did the Americans also invent the sex tourist industry in Amsterdam as well?

What about the sex tourism industry in London did the Americans set that up as well? 

Thailand has been trading with other countries for centuries, I am sure the sailors had something to do with setting up a sex tourist industry, Thailand is also not an island, there are adjoining countries as well.

I am sure the Americans on R and R in the Vietnam War boosted the numbers but to have founded it which was originally claimed can not be true. 

Edited March 23 by PhuketBloke
typo

[cowslip]

1 minute ago, PhuketBloke said:

Did the Americans also invent the sex tourist industry in Amsterdam as well?

THat is a very facile fatuous and facetious  question......You really don't seem to understand anything about my post of even the history of Thailand - 

please explain when you think thr sex tourism industry in Thailand began - you seem to not even understand what tourism is,

[cowslip]

4 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

Thailand has been trading with other countries for centuries, I am sure the sailors had something to do with setting up a sex tourist industry, Thailand is also not an island, there are adjoining countries as well.

so....explain how you think that works....

[cowslip]

4 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

am sure the Americans on R and R in the Vietnam War boosted the numbers but to have founded it which was originally claimed can not be true. 

I've just explained how it worked - but you are just gainsaying - you have not presented any argument to suggest otherwise