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[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, Fluke said:

You are being rather liberal with the truth there .

In 2014 there was civil unrest in the Ukraine by Russian supporting Ukrainian  citizens who opposed Ukraine aligning themselves with the E.U. 

   There were 100 or so deaths in the fighting . 

The deaths were of people participating in the violent  disturbances , you make it sound as if thought innocent civilians were being murdered by the State

Absolutely wrong. The killing was done by the pro Russian state against protestors.

Revolution of Dignity - Wikipedia

 

[KRLMRX]

16 minutes ago, Fluke said:

You are being rather liberal with the truth there .

In 2014 there was civil unrest in the Ukraine by Russian supporting Ukrainian  citizens who opposed Ukraine aligning themselves with the E.U. 

   There were 100 or so deaths in the fighting . 

The deaths were of people participating in the violent  disturbances , you make it sound as if thought innocent civilians were being murdered by the State

15,000 died according to the UN (many still have not been found), 10,000 of them civilians. Above I provided a link.

[Fluke]

4 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

15,000 died according to the UN (many still have not been found), 10,000 of them civilians. Above I provided a link.

Although those figures are from 2014 to the present day and my figure was just for 2014 

[Fester]

4 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

this is a picture, not a link. I showed you can use Google too.

If Russia has not destroyed planes and airfields, why do we hardly see any sorties of Ukrainian aviation and, as a result, the destroyed military infrastructure of Russia, and why has Zelensky been asking the West for planes for a week now?

Do you really think that the Ukraine Air Force would advertise where they intend to strike? It's a small force at war with a much bigger one above their own territory. Of course they will want more aircraft. 

Doh. 

[KRLMRX]

3 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Although those figures are from 2014 to the present day and my figure was just for 2014 

I wrote "they started killing in 2014 ..." yes, civilians have been dying all these 8 years.

[KRLMRX]

4 minutes ago, Fester said:

Do you really think that the Ukraine Air Force would advertise where they intend to strike? It's a small force at war with a much bigger one above their own territory. Of course they will want more aircraft. 

Doh. 

that is, we will write about the murder of one general in all the media, but we will keep silent about the destroyed Russian military infrastructure.  funny.

[Fester]

3 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I wrote "they started killing in 2014 ..." yes, civilians have been dying all these 8 years.

No you didn't - 200 ruble fine (don't worry less than 2 bucks) and miss a turn. 

[Fester]

4 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

that is, we will write about the murder of one general in all the media, but we will keep silent about the destroyed Russian military infrastructure.  funny.

If anyone's keeping silent about destroyed Russian military infrastructure it's the Russians.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

that is, we will write about the murder of one general in all the media, but we will keep silent about the destroyed Russian military infrastructure.  funny.

Desperate stuff.

You want evidence the Ukraine has attacked Russian territory? No there is none owing to the fact its not the aggressor. Russia is.

There is plenty of evidence of destroyed Russian aircraft, helicopters, tanks and indeed Russian prisoners taken within the Ukraine's borders though.

[KRLMRX]

8 minutes ago, Fester said:

If anyone's keeping silent about destroyed Russian military infrastructure it's the Russians.

and this is normal in a war. the enemy must report it.

[Fester]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

that is, you think that the Russian military has an order to kill civilians, but not so much? Do you think there is an order for the mandatory killing of a certain number for each Russian soldier? What's the point of this?

The point? To terrorize, with the aim of submission locally and ultimately of capitulation, nationally.

 

[Rookiescot]

Just now, KRLMRX said:

and this is normal in a war. the enemy must report it.

Which you immediately dismiss. 

[Fester]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

and this is normal in a war. the enemy must report it.

The enemy? Right. Gotya.

[KRLMRX]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Desperate stuff.

You want evidence the Ukraine has attacked Russian territory? No there is none owing to the fact its not the aggressor. Russia is.

There is plenty of evidence of destroyed Russian aircraft, helicopters, tanks and indeed Russian prisoners taken within the Ukraine's borders though.

I need evidence of the existence of the Ukrainian Air Force, read the thread from the beginning.  

If they are, then there must be destroyed Russian airports, military units and other infrastructure.  Otherwise, their presence is meaningless.

[KRLMRX]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Which you immediately dismiss. 

welcome to reality

[Rookiescot]

Just now, KRLMRX said:

I need evidence of the existence of the Ukrainian Air Force, read the thread from the beginning.  

If they are, then there must be destroyed Russian airports, military units and other infrastructure.  Otherwise, their presence is meaningless.

You are dancing on the head of a pin here. If Russia has established air dominance why does it not have air superiority?  Why are its jets getting shot down?

Why would there be evidence of destroyed Russian airports? The Ukraine has NOT invaded Russia.

The fact is your much vaunted Russian war machine is getting torn apart by the Ukraine. The logistics have completely broken down. Communications are nerfed. Tanks have run out of fuel. The soldiers dont want to fight. Basically short of launching indiscriminate artillery barrages its out of offensive options.

The economy of Russia is a dead parrot. The only reason its still standing is because its feet have been nailed to the perch. In short it is an ex economy. It has ceased to be.

So what happens next? We continue this waste of life (including many children) in the Ukraine or does your Czar finally admit he has lost?

[1l1]

2 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

The top and bottom of it is that the Great Russian Army should not be there and is beginning to look like 'Dads Army'. And give it a few more weeks and the Ukraine farmers will have more Russian tanks than the Russians have. 

Good thing. Everyone must be happy for demilitarization of Russia.

2 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

Have you no shame on what is happening, the whole world is condemning the Russian invasion, apart from a few of the usual suspects of course.

Who cares about my personal feelings.

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[KRLMRX]

34 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You are dancing on the head of a pin here. If Russia has established air dominance why does it not have air superiority?  Why are its jets getting shot down?

Why would there be evidence of destroyed Russian airports? The Ukraine has NOT invaded Russia.

The fact is your much vaunted Russian war machine is getting torn apart by the Ukraine. The logistics have completely broken down. Communications are nerfed. Tanks have run out of fuel. The soldiers dont want to fight. Basically short of launching indiscriminate artillery barrages its out of offensive options.

The economy of Russia is a dead parrot. The only reason its still standing is because its feet have been nailed to the perch. In short it is an ex economy. It has ceased to be.

So what happens next? We continue this waste of life (including many children) in the Ukraine or does your Czar finally admit he has lost?

because sometimes planes are shot down in war. Ukraine was able to confirm with the help of photos and videos several downed aircraft, most of them in the early days, now there are almost no such reports.

[oldschooler]

21 hours ago, Klodt said:

army amateurs? God forbid you meet such amateurs! If you don't believe me, come and try it!

Not many left to meet after Ukraine has finished with them complete bunch of clown conscripts getting torn apart, with help from mr AT4 & mr nlaw

[oldschooler]

3 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

because sometimes planes are shot down in war. Ukraine was able to confirm with the help of photos and videos several downed aircraft, most of them in the early days, now there are almost no such reports.

Mr javelin playing with Russian aircraft. 
they aren’t getting shot down cos they ain’t flying over Ukraine any more !

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

because sometimes planes are shot down in war. Ukraine was able to confirm with the help of photos and videos several downed aircraft, most of them in the early days, now there are almost no such reports.

OK with air superiority the invasion should be easy.

Oh wait. No its not. Are Russian aircraft even flying? We are not seeing any precision bombing.

Stingers eh? Real pain in the a$$.

The war is going REALLY badly as far as Russia is concerned. Was supposed to be all done within 24 hours.

Have seen estimates that Russia has suffered as many as 12000 dead. Now that might be wild but even if its half of that its too big to hide for Czar Putin.

[oldschooler]

47 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You are dancing on the head of a pin here. If Russia has established air dominance why does it not have air superiority?  Why are its jets getting shot down?

Why would there be evidence of destroyed Russian airports? The Ukraine has NOT invaded Russia.

The fact is your much vaunted Russian war machine is getting torn apart by the Ukraine. The logistics have completely broken down. Communications are nerfed. Tanks have run out of fuel. The soldiers dont want to fight. Basically short of launching indiscriminate artillery barrages its out of offensive options.

The economy of Russia is a dead parrot. The only reason its still standing is because its feet have been nailed to the perch. In short it is an ex economy. It has ceased to be.

So what happens next? We continue this waste of life (including many children) in the Ukraine or does your Czar finally admit he has lost?

“ it’s just resting!” , resting ? that economy has expired, gone to meet its maker, popped its clogs ! 

 

[Fluke]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

OK with air superiority the invasion should be easy.

Oh wait. No its not. Are Russian aircraft even flying? We are not seeing any precision bombing.

Stingers eh? Real pain in the a$$.

The war is going REALLY badly as far as Russia is concerned. Was supposed to be all done within 24 hours.

Have seen estimates that Russia has suffered as many as 12000 dead. Now that might be wild but even if its half of that its too big to hide for Czar Putin.

As is World opinion .

Even if Putin did manage to take over the Ukraine , the rest of the World (barring a few Countries) would never accept it and their rule wouldn't be sustainable .

[oldschooler]

1 minute ago, Fluke said:

As is World opinion .

Even if Putin did manage to take over the Ukraine , the rest of the World (barring a few Countries) would never accept it and their rule wouldn't be sustainable .

Only NATO countries &  capable Allies & Ukraine matter. Rest of world handwringing uselessness is irrelevant. 

[Faz]

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