News Forum - Putin sends ‘peacekeeping’ troops to Ukraine after recognising breakaway regions

[Tim_Melb]

58 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Thank you for the deep, meaningful and carefully considered opinion on current events.

Why should anybody give a considered opinion on CCP propaganda. At this point it's irrelevant only CCP wumao and shills give it any consideration. What could be interesting is what happens in China if Australia stops gas exports to China in preference to shipping it to Germany and the rest of Europe before next winter. Given that the Russia/China gas pipeline is not due for completion until 2025... It could be a dark and cold couple of winters coming for China. 

[Poolie]

45 minutes ago, Tim_Melb said:

Why should anybody give a considered opinion on CCP propaganda. At this point it's irrelevant only CCP wumao and shills give it any consideration. What could be interesting is what happens in China if Australia stops gas exports to China in preference to shipping it to Germany and the rest of Europe before next winter. Given that the Russia/China gas pipeline is not due for completion until 2025... It could be a dark and cold couple of winters coming for China. 

I see. So the sea distance for Australian exports of gas to Germany wouldn't be prohibitive. Right. Noted. 

China currently imports gas from Russia. Further deals with Iran are in negotiation. Of course thats all Chinese lies, obviously. Goes without saying.

(Sniggers behind hand)

[JohninDublin]

59 minutes ago, Tim_Melb said:

Why should anybody give a considered opinion on CCP propaganda. At this point it's irrelevant only CCP wumao and shills give it any consideration. What could be interesting is what happens in China if Australia stops gas exports to China in preference to shipping it to Germany and the rest of Europe before next winter. Given that the Russia/China gas pipeline is not due for completion until 2025... It could be a dark and cold couple of winters coming for China. 

That would be nice payback for the way that the Chinese screwed with the Aussie coal ships last year. 

In a similar vein, I think the time has come for the West to stand up to the bullying of both Russia and China. 

[butterfly]

2 hours ago, AussieBob said:

Things are starting to get ugly - I hope it does not escalate too far too quickly, before the 'calmer ones' can bring things back under control. 

don't think it will, in 48/72 hours, mission will be accomplished and victory declared, and Biden and the western leaders with their short attention span will simply rollover and get back to their priorities

there is simply nothing they can do, and they know it, hence why all the hot air and the hissing

 

[Convert54]

It strikes me as interesting that so far it seems the electricity  supplies and communication infrastructure  have been left untouched. If Russia were really out to neutralize the Ukraine why have they not used that tactic (Yet) .

[Tim_Melb]

58 minutes ago, Poolie said:

So the sea distance for Australian exports of gas to Germany wouldn't be prohibitive. Right. Noted. 

It's not prohibitive for shipping to China currently... Sure shipping to Europe is further but it's not a problem. Especially since we have most of the European summer to get things organised. 

[Tim_Melb]

47 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

That would be nice payback for the way that the Chinese screwed with the Aussie coal ships last year. 

In a similar vein, I think the time has come for the West to stand up to the bullying of both Russia and China. 

We need to find new markets anyway because of the Russia/China pipeline that's under construction. We are in a win, win on the export front thanks to Putin we are likely to increase wheat exports to Europe as well. 

[Poolie]

3 minutes ago, Tim_Melb said:

It's not prohibitive for shipping to China currently... Sure shipping to Europe is further but it's not a problem. Especially since we have most of the European summer to get things organised. 

Yeah, best look slippy.

[EdwardV]

4 hours ago, Poolie said:

Good read, if a little direct.

That would be a first. Quoting from the Global Times calls into question your sincerity to the topic if nothing else. 

[Poolie]

9 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

That would be a first. Quoting from the Global Times calls into question your sincerity to the topic if nothing else. 

Or of course your prejudice. Take your pick.

[Tim_Melb]

10 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

That would be a first. Quoting from the Global Times calls into question your sincerity to the topic if nothing else. 

Poolie is a wumao if you didn't know like the Global Times Poolie is a mouth piece for the CCP although he sometimes goes to far and makes statements that the party would not endorse which is taking a big risk. 

[Poolie]

Wumaos. Remember them? Back in the nineties.

[EdwardV]

4 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Or of course your prejudice. Take your pick.

Since the Global Times doesn’t pretend to be anything other than the mouth piece of the PLA, why would that be prejudice? The lack of sincerity doesn’t come from them, but the person who is pretending it’s a valid source of information. 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, Poolie said:

I see. So the sea distance for Australian exports of gas to Germany wouldn't be prohibitive. Right. Noted. 

China currently imports gas from Russia. Further deals with Iran are in negotiation. Of course thats all Chinese lies, obviously. Goes without saying.

(Sniggers behind hand)

Oz must be exporting LNG to Germany by Sea in specialized ocean vessels.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

don't think it will, in 48/72 hours, mission will be accomplished and victory declared, and Biden and the western leaders with their short attention span will simply rollover and get back to their priorities

there is simply nothing they can do, and they know it, hence why all the hot air and the hissing

US could cut Russia from SWIFT banking & all USD Trading. West can also seize all Russian money & assets there. Goodbye to tiny pathetic Russian economy, oligarch wealth and also, Putin …..but apart from that,  yeah “ nothing they can do”, right. … how stupid are these tyranny- loving trolls…..

 

[oldschooler]

48 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Yeah, best look slippy.

How erudite & informed RT will be rushing to broadcast your great words of wisdom & truth no doubt

[Poolie]

28 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Since the Global Times doesn’t pretend to be anything other than the mouth piece of the PLA, why would that be prejudice? The lack of sincerity doesn’t come from them, but the person who is pretending it’s a valid source of information. 

And who would that be? The Global Times is seen as the equivalent of the British Sun.

[Alavan]

5 hours ago, AussieBob said:

Hope that those reports are wrong, because if Russia has invaded the western parts of Ukraine then Putin is now totally into over-reach - he cannot justify taking such action.  NATO and the USA will be under enormous pressure to react with military force now - even though Ukraine is not yet a member. If that occurs NATO and/or USA reacts with military force, then things could quickly get out of hand and escalate.  As if Covid was not bad enough for the last 2 years - now we might have a war in Europe. 

Exports are not wrong.

“Ukraine is “NOT YET” a NATO memeber? There never was talk of that, only Ukraine hoped to become a member (because they didn’t trust Putin?). O Pun sed this als a false excuse.

And correct, Putin can’t never justify invading western parts of Ukraine. But as Pin an d Xi always put “don’t interfere with what happens in our countries, seems not to count for them as they love to interfere in other countries.

[EdwardV]

18 minutes ago, Poolie said:

And who would that be? The Global Times is seen as the equivalent of the British Sun.

Well at least we agreed on that. 

[Alavan]

2 hours ago, Poolie said:

I see. So the sea distance for Australian exports of gas to Germany wouldn't be prohibitive. Right. Noted. 

China currently imports gas from Russia. Further deals with Iran are in negotiation. Of course thats all Chinese lies, obviously. Goes without saying.

(Sniggers behind hand)

Not hindered by any knowledge Poolie, so stopped sniggering behind your hand.

I have known of a LNG carrier of 135000 cubic meters liquid  (multiply with 600 if you want to know how many cubic meters gas) discharge a loading from Indonesia in Western Europe, to transship it a few weeks later to the Far East.

I have known VLCC’s and LNG- carriers floating for weeks in the Atlantic, waiting for the right price to discharge somewhere.

And Russian gas from Yamal (arctic Siberia) can only pass through North Eastern passage to the Pacific in summer. In winter they transship their LNG from icebreaking LNG carriers to normal ones who rhen pass through Suez canal.

LNG in Western Europe commes from Algeria, a lot from Qatar, and gas from the North Sea.

 

 

 

 

[Poolie]

2 minutes ago, Alavan said:

Not hindered by any knowledge Poolie, so stopped sniggering behind your hand.

I have known of a LNG carrier of 135000 cubic meters liquid  (multiply with 600 if you want to know how many cubic meters gas) discharge a loading from Indonesia in Western Europe, to transship it a few weeks later to the Far East.

I have known VLCC’s and LNG- carriers floating for weeks in the Atlantic, waiting for the right price to discharge somewhere.

And Russian gas from Yamal (arctic Siberia) can only pass through North Eastern passage to the Pacific in summer. In winter they transship their LNG from icebreaking LNG carriers to normal ones who rhen pass through Suez canal.

LNG in Western Europe commes from Algeria, a lot from Qatar, and gas from the North Sea.

Perhaps Australia can use the Belt and Road Initiative? Pop it on a train in Yiwu and it's in Germany three weeks later. Win win.

[CamPat]

The War has just begun. My comment in a song:

 

 

[Alavan]

34 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Perhaps Australia can use the Belt and Road Initiative? Pop it on a train in Yiwu and it's in Germany three weeks later. Win win.

Australia-Suez Canal-Western Europe. No sweat. The draught of those ships is not so big as VLCC,s. A normal LNG is about 270 meters, breadth 48 and draught 10 meters. 
Most LNG-carriers are about 135000cu meters, but With Qatar exporting most gas they started 10 years ago with Qflex (225 cubic meters) and Qmax (270000cubib meters). Transporting liquid gas at -163°C.

I did one trip as “super cargo” (inspection/learning) before a LNG terminal was started in my port.

[Lyp14 [ctxa]]

5 hours ago, AussieBob said:

and China taking advantage of the situation and following Putin's lead is another big worry. 

That won't happen. You just need to hang with Russian people and hang with Chinese people and you will understand the key difference. 

The Russians (specially the Soviet Union) have always been the biggest bullies and have in fact attacked multiple countries and started wars for no reason over the past century. 

China, regardless of what people say that they are bullies and that they are gonna take Taiwan, they haven't yet attacked anyone, and the invasion of Taiwan hasn't happened yet.

I'm willing to bet China will not take Taiwan by military force, anyone willing to bet? 

 

[Noble_Design]

16 minutes ago, Lyp14 [ctxa] said:

That won't happen. You just need to hang with Russian people and hang with Chinese people and you will understand the key difference. 

The Russians (specially the Soviet Union) have always been the biggest bullies and have in fact attacked multiple countries and started wars for no reason over the past century. 

China, regardless of what people say that they are bullies and that they are gonna take Taiwan, they haven't yet attacked anyone, and the invasion of Taiwan hasn't happened yet.

I'm willing to bet China will not take Taiwan by military force, anyone willing to bet? 

There are only 2 things that matter the most for a Chinese - money and good food. Unfortunately Taiwan doesn't have much good food to warrant an invasion.

Invade Taiwan for their stinky tofu? No thanks.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Noble_Design