Do Covid 19 masks work?

[BlueSphinx]

19 minutes ago, Fester said:

I cannot help but to feel sorry for the poor people who listen to listen to this anti-mask propaganda either. 

Anyone with any type of mask on is helping to protect you, more than themselves, by limiting their own releases of respiratory fluids in the form of droplets, which in turn carry much of the infectious Covid 19 virus that is expelled by people. 

Surgical masks are not perfect but better than nothing. N95's are hard to source and many Thai people can't afford them. Do what you can.   

Oh dear, oh dear...  from what you wrote it seems that relentless pro-mask propaganda can ultimately stiffle common sense.

Just a few facts and observations to put this whole mask-debate in perspective:

#1 - Before the covid-19 hysteria, the only mask-wearing in the West was done when conducting work with hazardous susbstances or used by operating room staff when conducting surgery.  This in contrast to Far-East countries like Japan, where cloth mask-wearing was common practice when the wearer had a cold but felt good enough to work (in many Asian countries not showing up for work, meant no pay).  The mask was meant to protect co-workers from any coughs/sneezes, but it's main purpose was SIGNALING that the wearer had a cold and that they better kept distance.

#2 - It is hard to believe, but what happened is that instead of recommending to those that had a cold or flu like symptoms to wear a mask as a SIGNALING device, mask-mandates were introduced forcing everybody to wear it when entering shops/stores and even outdoors in crowded places.  So byebye to that main useful signaling purpose, as now everybody had become 'suspect'.   If the intent was to create an atmosphere in which everybody was continually reminded that we were in a 'crisis', it could not have been chosen better. 

#3 - Now if the masks that are used indeed avoided spreading the virus by the infected they would have at least some utility.  But the cloth or cheap paper-masks worn by the large majority of the population do absolutely ZILCH in preventing virus-spread.  And WORSE, they are actually quite harmful as they reduce the oxygen intake and accumulate CO2 in that reservoir you wear before your nose/mouth.  Especially children that are forced to wear these face-diapers will suffer from it.  These harmful effects of mask-wearing are continually down-played but are scientifically proven.

#4 - But, but, but 'the science' shows that mask-wearing has a marginal effect on spreading the virus, so why not 'listen to the science' and comply.  Well, the studies that 'prove' mask-effectiveness are as good as always done in laboratory-environments using a) the right kind of mask and b) applying that mask correctly.   The real-life mask-wearing however is completely different, with people re-using those useless and often contaminated old cloth or paper-masks. 

#5 - The proponents of mask-wearing must be quite dizzy by now from all the U-turns they have made on the subject.  Pope Fauci at the start of the covid-pandemic was quite clear and outspoken that masks were not useful or recommended, but when its 'virtue signalling' function (compliance being more important than health reasons) became clear, he changed his position, and in a doubling-down effort even recommended double-mask wearing.  That was so ridiculous that even he realized that was 'unsellable'. 

#6 - And while Joe and Jane Average were forced to wear masks or face huge fines, it seemed that the virus was not dangerous for the VIPs and HiSos.  There are countless photos and videos of those in positions of power, NOT wearing the masks in private company when they thought nobody could see them (remember Anutin's dinner parties, the Wimbledon stalls, or even worse the full G7 barbeque with NONE of the world-leaders wearing a mask and only the servants being forced to wear them).

#7 - The amount of studies that compellingly provide evidence that mask-wearing is a useless and even harmful ritual is growing exponently.  But at this moment no amount of evidence will convince the mask-cultists to get rid of their fetish as can be clearly seen in countries where mask-wearing is not mandatory anymore and people STILL keep on wearing them, telling that they 'don't feel safe' without that cloth.  The relentless mask-propaganda has transformed them in Pavlovian mask-eteers.

>> Please do challenge me with scientific studies that disprove anything of what I stated higher.  Good luck with that...

[BlueSphinx]

1 minute ago, BlueSphinx said:

Oh dear, oh dear...  from what you wrote it seems that relentless pro-mask propaganda can ultimately stiffle common sense.

Just a few facts and observations to put this whole mask-debate in perspective:

#1 - Before the covid-19 hysteria, the only mask-wearing in the West was done when conducting work with hazardous susbstances or used by operating room staff when conducting surgery.  This in contrast to Far-East countries like Japan, where cloth mask-wearing was common practice when the wearer had a cold but felt good enough to work (in many Asian countries not showing up for work, meant no pay).  The mask was meant to protect co-workers from any coughs/sneezes, but it's main purpose was SIGNALING that the wearer had a cold and that they better kept distance.

#2 - It is hard to believe, but what happened is that instead of recommending to those that had a cold or flu like symptoms to wear a mask as a SIGNALING device, mask-mandates were introduced forcing everybody to wear it when entering shops/stores and even outdoors in crowded places.  So byebye to that main useful signaling purpose, as now everybody had become 'suspect'.   If the intent was to create an atmosphere in which everybody was continually reminded that we were in a 'crisis', it could not have been chosen better. 

#3 - Now if the masks that are used indeed avoided spreading the virus by the infected they would have at least some utility.  But the cloth or cheap paper-masks worn by the large majority of the population do absolutely ZILCH in preventing virus-spread.  And WORSE, they are actually quite harmful as they reduce the oxygen intake and accumulate CO2 in that reservoir you wear before your nose/mouth.  Especially children that are forced to wear these face-diapers will suffer from it.  These harmful effects of mask-wearing are continually down-played but are scientifically proven.

#4 - But, but, but 'the science' shows that mask-wearing has a marginal effect on spreading the virus, so why not 'listen to the science' and comply.  Well, the studies that 'prove' mask-effectiveness are as good as always done in laboratory-environments using a) the right kind of mask and b) applying that mask correctly.   The real-life mask-wearing however is completely different, with people re-using those useless and often contaminated old cloth or paper-masks. 

#5 - The proponents of mask-wearing must be quite dizzy by now from all the U-turns they have made on the subject.  Pope Fauci at the start of the covid-pandemic was quite clear and outspoken that masks were not useful or recommended, but when its 'virtue signalling' function (compliance being more important than health reasons) became clear, he changed his position, and in a doubling-down effort even recommended double-mask wearing.  That was so ridiculous that even he realized that was 'unsellable'. 

#6 - And while Joe and Jane Average were forced to wear masks or face huge fines, it seemed that the virus was not dangerous for the VIPs and HiSos.  There are countless photos and videos of those in positions of power, NOT wearing the masks in private company when they thought nobody could see them (remember Anutin's dinner parties, the Wimbledon stalls, or even worse the full G7 barbeque with NONE of the world-leaders wearing a mask and only the servants being forced to wear them).

#7 - The amount of studies that compellingly provide evidence that mask-wearing is a useless and even harmful ritual is growing exponently.  But at this moment no amount of evidence will convince the mask-cultists to get rid of their fetish as can be clearly seen in countries where mask-wearing is not mandatory anymore and people STILL keep on wearing them, telling that they 'don't feel safe' without that cloth.  The relentless mask-propaganda has transformed them in Pavlovian mask-eteers.

>> Please do challenge me with scientific studies that disprove anything of what I stated higher.  Good luck with that...

 

[OneAngryJew]

Just now, Transam said:

The Pontiac V8 engine, or fish you may expect to catch on rod and line in the English Channel, take your pick sunbeam.....

One of my favorite quotes, is this:  Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.  by Robert Heinlein

I will ignore you from now on.

[OneAngryJew]

6 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

The original and real picture did not heave her wearing a mask.

[Chaimai]

1 hour ago, OneAngryJew said:

You're not responsible for me. I'm not responsible for you. Stop this deluded thought process that any of you are altruistic. I think some of you should listen to Ayn Rand  on altruism. I do know that it's philosophy and it might be above most of you but you should give it a listen anyway.

 

 

F00k me....... now who is preaching ! 

 

I simply said that Transam had made a good point.

[OneAngryJew]

Just now, Chaimai said:

F00k me....... now who is preaching ! 

I simply said that Transam had made a good point.

I don't think this is possible.

[ChristyS]

39 minutes ago, OneAngryJew said:

You should already Be washing your vegetables. I think you can factually assume that they're covered with pesticides

I do, with soap and a scrubbie, even ones  I peel as  the peeler can just redeposit pathogens- and plain ol dirt to the inner part I'm eating raw in my salad. Think of all the hands on that carrot that was in the grocery bin. You bet I clean everything, always  have. As for pesticides, those are within the plant,  hard to get around it but I would  if I could afford organic-surely. 

[KaptainRob]

2nd thread on the same subject MERGED here, on page 4.  Please, NO MORE mask threads!

[Chaimai]

17 minutes ago, OneAngryJew said:

One of my favorite quotes, is this:  Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.  by Robert Heinlein

I will ignore you from now on.

 

 

I would hate to hear your least favourite quotes!  

[OneAngryJew]

Just now, Chaimai said:

I would hate to hear your least favourite quotes!  

That would be an evolving topic, would it not?

[ChristyS]

On 8/7/2021 at 9:00 AM, OneAngryJew said:

How many times have you witnessed someone adjusting their mask by pinching it from the front?  Almost all the time.  How many times have you seen this in a restaurant either by the waiter or cook?

So?  There's more than enough layers to stop particles, pathogens or plain ol boogers from getting on their fingers. Kinda like Kleenex 

[OneAngryJew]

Just now, ChristyS said:

So?  There's more than enough layers to stop particles, pathogens or plain ol boogers from getting on their fingers. Kinda like Kleenex 

That makes no sense.

[ExpatPattaya]

23 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

But the cloth or cheap paper-masks worn by the large majority of the population do absolutely ZILCH in preventing virus-spread. 

You are just plain wrong with this "fact" you claim.  if someone coughs or sneezes and is wearing a mask the droplets  from the cough or sneeze will not spray onto another person.  If you are wearing a mask and someone coughs near you the droplets will stick to the mask and not go into your mouth or nose. 

Pretty simple safety measure 

[SomTum]

26 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

And WORSE, they are actually quite harmful as they reduce the oxygen intake and accumulate CO2 in that reservoir you wear before your nose/mouth.  Especially children that are forced to wear these face-diapers will suffer from it.  These harmful effects of mask-wearing are continually down-played but are scientifically proven.

I don't think wearing masks causes a measurable change in blood O2. Setting aside demonstrations in YouTube videos where people put on pulse oximeters and masks to check on it, surgical masks and N95 respirators have been commonly worn by doctors and construction workers for years and I am not aware of any problem there. Perhaps more importantly, your body automatically/autonomically compensates for changes in blood O2 by modifying either your respiration rate (for example, during exercise) or your metabolism (for example, at high altitude).

Halitosis, on the other hand, is a serious risk.

[OneAngryJew]

3 minutes ago, ExpatPattaya said:

You are just plain wrong with this "fact" you claim.  if someone coughs or sneezes and is wearing a mask the droplets  from the cough or sneeze will not spray onto another person.  If you are wearing a mask and someone coughs near you the droplets will stick to the mask and not go into your mouth or nose. 

Pretty simple safety measure 

I agree, they do something, but very little.  

[OneAngryJew]

2 minutes ago, SomTum said:

I don't think wearing masks causes a measurable change in blood O2. Setting aside demonstrations in YouTube videos where people put on pulse oximeters and masks to check on it, surgical masks and N95 respirators have been commonly worn by doctors and construction workers for years and I am not aware of any problem there. Perhaps more importantly, your body automatically/autonomically compensates for changes in blood O2 by modifying either your respiration rate (for example, during exercise) or your metabolism (for example, at high altitude).

Halitosis, on the other hand, is a serious risk.

Try exercising while wearing one.  You'll change your mind quickly.

[OneAngryJew]

5 minutes ago, ExpatPattaya said:

The Delta variant makes this graphic obsolete.

[HolyCowCm]

29 minutes ago, OneAngryJew said:

One of my favorite quotes, is this:  Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.  by Robert Heinlein

I will ignore you from now on.

If it is like this here, then it probably had to be the same over on the other site that you two bucked heads. True or not?

[SomTum]

Just now, OneAngryJew said:

Try exercising while wearing one.  You'll change your mind quickly.

Why would you wear your N100 mask while exercising? Can't you just get away from other people?

Anyway, I'd be curious if anyone has measured the effect on respiration rate during exercise.

I tried wearing an N100 mask around Bangkok during a PM2.5 crisis, and it was a nightmare, more because of the humidity than the breathability. Fortunately, the U.S. doesn't have any outdoor masking requirements.

[ChristyS]

14 minutes ago, OneAngryJew said:

That makes no sense.

You were lamenting cooks adjusting their masks. Why? 

[ChristyS]

5 minutes ago, OneAngryJew said:

The Delta variant makes this graphic obsolete.

More disinfo. The Delta particle simply latches  on  more easily once upon a cell,  it does not fly through the  air better- it's not Delta the airline.

[OneAngryJew]

1 minute ago, SomTum said:

Why would you wear your N100 mask while exercising? Can't you just get away from other people?

Anyway, I'd be curious if anyone has measured the effect on respiration rate during exercise.

I tried wearing an N100 mask around Bangkok during a PM2.5 crisis, and it was a nightmare, more because of the humidity than the breathability. Fortunately, the U.S. doesn't have any outdoor masking requirements.

I wish I could.  I don't wear a mask when I power walk.  I get chased by toothless security guards.  Most of them I tell to go FU&* off and I use that word a lot, but some won't get the message.  I have one that chases my son and myself as we walk in our condo complex.  

I stay away from everyone.  My n100 mask is not to be worn during exercise.  I don't have an inferior mask.

 

[OneAngryJew]

Just now, ChristyS said:

More disinfo. The Delta particle simply latches  on  more easily once upon a cell,  it does not fly through the  air better- it's not Delta the airline.

You are showing your ignorance.  The Delta variant has 1000 X the viral shedding of the earlier variants.  You better bring facts to the table. 

[OneAngryJew]

4 minutes ago, ChristyS said:

You were lamenting cooks adjusting their masks. Why? 

Seriously?  The viral objects, some will go through the mask, but many in droplets will stick to the front  of the mask.  Why would you even intimate that it is ok to touch the outside of the mask?

[ChristyS]

3 minutes ago, SomTum said:

Why would you wear your N100 mask while exercising? Can't you just get away from other people?

Anyway, I'd be curious if anyone has measured the effect on respiration rate during exercise.

I tried wearing an N100 mask around Bangkok during a PM2.5 crisis, and it was a nightmare, more because of the humidity than the breathability. Fortunately, the U.S. doesn't have any outdoor masking requirements.

On my scooter ( in Thailand)  I often come up behind  maskless joggers exhaling heavily. Even with my mask on I try to give them a wide berth. Likely they think their one dose of SinoCrap vaccine has made them incapable of harboring the virus- or they know better  but  just don't care about anyone else.