News Forum - Russian invasion spreads to Thailand’s paradise islands

[JamesR]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Disagree all you want.

Reality says different. 

Exactly my point. 

[TheDirtyDurian]

9 minutes ago, Faz said:

So only once is OK - Gotcha!

If you say so.

[Faz]

5 hours ago, Pinetree said:

Thailand voted yes to the UN Resolution, demanding Russia withdraw Immediately. so that is not consistent as you put it. 

 

30 minutes ago, Khunmark said:

They abstained on the vote of condemnation of the initial invasion, which is consistent with allowing  Russians into the country.

If either one of you had put a URL to your inferred facts, there wouldn't be a disagreement.

As it is @Pinetree is perfectly correct. Thailand backed the resolution of the UN demanding the immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine on March 2nd 2022.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2273211/thailand-backs-un-resolution-against-russian-invasion

[Soidog]

1 hour ago, JamesR said:

"That doesn’t mean you can simply invade another country in a style reminiscent of colonialism or the Second World War. "

Erm, it appears you can, Russia just did it, and the West is sitting on the sidelines doing as little as possible, just enough to play politics over it. 

Just enough to hope that the mad man in the Kremlin doesn’t escalate things further. Right now this is about containment and allow time to get a collective response including from China to stop the mad man Putin. The more countries like India and Thailand sit on the fence or support the evil SOB then the longer this terrible war will continue. This is why I’m against letting Russians in to Thailand. It may not be much in the way of applying pressure, but every little helps. The more the civilised world shows Putin his actions are unacceptable  the better. 
 

I sat through a short video today shown by the BBC to mark the 1 year since the war started. They showed some really disturbing and traumatic videos and images of young 3 year olds covered in debris and blood screaming in agony and crying for their mother in what remained of their housing block. Kids crying as they boarded trains out of border towns leaving their fathers behind. Elderly people covered in blood as a result of Russian shelling in a village. These scenes are utterly terrifying ans heartbreaking. Anyone who gives the evil bastards a second of understanding or support or even impartiality should literally hang their head in shame. The Thai government and normal Thai people should be ashamed of the indifference they are showing to this war and placing money ahead of the life’s of normal Ukrainians. 
 

 

[JamesR]

2 hours ago, Soidog said:

That’s ok, I understand. I was just trying to understand as it would potentially have a significant impact on how you view Thailand and Thais. I use to make two or three visits each year and stay between 3-5 weeks each time. That was back around 1996-2005. After that, my wife and I started visiting for longer periods of up to 3 months. Now, I visit and stay around 7-9 months of the year. My view and opinions have changed significantly as a result of the changes to the time I spend here. We use to stay in nice hotels, eat at nice restaurants and generally play the typical tourist. As we stayed longer and started to live much more like an expat and interact with the Thai systems and people more at a local level, that’s when I started to see many of the problems and many of the discriminatory attitudes towards foreigners and the abject disinterest in anything that wasn’t Thai. I also got involved in a couple of businesses and had to interact with the more formal administrative systems and again, it was simply incredible how difficult and frustrating it can be. I just simply would never understand the Thai mindset and hence not surprised their attitude towards visiting Russians is 180 degree opposite to my own. To me, it beggars belief. It seems money trumps everything here, including international human rights and morals. 
 

 

That explains a lot to me.

I am not being sarcastic in any way but over the last six months or more, I have noticed your comments were becoming increasingly negative regarding Thailand and Thai people (or maybe not negative but more realistic).

I told myself years ago never to get involved with any business here as I know through the experience of others how difficult it is and the hoops you have to jump through and the lack of control and rights we have here.

Make the money outside of Thailand and use some of it to stay here. 

While having a house built in Rayong in 2019 I came across the backhanders needed to get things done with the local council etc.

I was reminded again this week when I processed a permit to stay here for one year renewable annually, it was a real palaver and I am glad I only have to do it once a year.

But my attitude is I am staying here on a non-permanent basis, if I can stay a few years then great, if not then move on.

So for me I am not weighed down by anything and am still enjoying being here, in fact, it is great.

I keep 90% of what I have in the UK and have full control over it, so I am still my own man.

I have never come across any racism against me personally in Thailand but then again I am seen in the same light as a tourist even though I live in a house in a "gated community" where 95% of the occupants are Thai but I suppose as I am in Phuket then a foreigner is common.

 ( @Faz excuse me if I used the incorrect terminology re the permit)

[Soidog]

24 minutes ago, JamesR said:

That explains a lot to me.

I am not being sarcastic in any way but over the last six months or more, I have noticed your comments were becoming increasingly negative regarding Thailand and Thai people (or maybe not negative but more realistic).

I told myself years ago never to get involved with any business here as I know through the experience of others how difficult it is and the hoops you have to jump through and the lack of control and rights we have here.

Make the money outside of Thailand and use some of it to stay here. 

While having a house built in Rayong in 2019 I came across the backhanders needed to get things done with the local council etc.

I was reminded again this week when I processed a permit to stay here for one year renewable annually, it was a real palaver and I am glad I only have to do it once a year.

But my attitude is I am staying here on a non-permanent basis, if I can stay a few years then great, if not then move on.

So for me I am not weighed down by anything and am still enjoying being here, in fact, it is great.

I keep 90% of what I have in the UK and have full control over it, so I am still my own man.

I have never come across any racism against me personally in Thailand but then again I am seen in the same light as a tourist even though I live in a house in a "gated community" where 95% of the occupants are Thai but I suppose as I am in Phuket then a foreigner is common.

 ( @Faz excuse me if I used the incorrect terminology re the permit)

Oh those business issues were resolved way way back in 2007/08. My views on Thailand have gone on a downward trend simply as I spent more time in the country and started to ask more and look more what was going on.  They took another step down following the 2014 coup and will go down further should the dictator Prayut get “elected” again in May. 98% of my money is kept out of Thailand and always will be. The only money I ever bring here I can walk away from with nothing more than a fleeting thought. 
 

I have only faced direct racism on perhaps three occasions. However, if you took some of the day to day attitudes and practices towards foreigners and placed them in the U.K, they would be called racist. I believe for most Thais it is unconscious racism rather as my father held back in the 70’s/80’ towards black people. The same was true of TV sitcoms in the 80’s. Today they simply wouldn’t be allowed. 

[JamesR]

3 minutes ago, Soidog said:

Oh those business issues were resolved way way back in 2007/08. My views on Thailand have gone on a downward trend simply as I spent more time in the country and started to ask more and look more what was going on.  They took another step down following the 2014 coup and will go down further should the dictator Prayut get “elected” again in May. 98% of my money is kept out of Thailand and always will be. The only money I ever bring here I can walk away from with nothing more than a fleeting thought. 
 

I have only faced direct racism on perhaps three occasions. However, if you took some of the day to day attitudes and practices towards foreigners and placed them in the U.K, they would be called racist. I believe for most Thais it is unconscious racism rather as my father held back in the 70’s/80’ towards black people. The same was true of TV sitcoms in the 80’s. Today they simply wouldn’t be allowed. 

My attitude is it is not my country, the Thais can do as they please with it, it is not for me to say.

I pay my way here, I am no burden to the country, and contribute by spending here, it is a good symbiotic setup.

There are pros and cons in every country I have seen after working in five European countries and twice in the USA.

It has gone too far re the perceived racism in the UK  and the wok-e situation, most of this created by white socialists wanting to be important.

I was informally 'adopted' by an Indian family as a teenager and they were too busy getting on with life, work, career, and children to be bothered with the pettyness of the so-called racism.

They believed there were some idiots as is the case in most countries but on the whole, they thought racism was a myth in general.

They also believe some groups use racism as an excuse to malinger instead of getting on with it as they do.

Their main aim was to educate their kids and said it is not they who are calling the Brits racists, it is the socialist Brits calling themselves racist.

I quite like the openness here regarding race etc, I do not feel offended by being called a farang etc.

 

[Soidog]

6 hours ago, JamesR said:

My attitude is it is not my country, the Thais can do as they please with it, it is not for me to say.

I pay my way here, I am no burden to the country, and contribute by spending here, it is a good symbiotic setup.

There are pros and cons in every country I have seen after working in five European countries and twice in the USA.

It has gone too far re the perceived racism in the UK  and the wok-e situation, most of this created by white socialists wanting to be important.

I was informally 'adopted' by an Indian family as a teenager and they were too busy getting on with life, work, career, and children to be bothered with the pettyness of the so-called racism.

They believed there were some idiots as is the case in most countries but on the whole, they thought racism was a myth in general.

They also believe some groups use racism as an excuse to malinger instead of getting on with it as they do.

Their main aim was to educate their kids and said it is not they who are calling the Brits racists, it is the socialist Brits calling themselves racist.

I quite like the openness here regarding race etc, I do not feel offended by being called a farang etc.

A debate for another topic perhaps. Suffice to say that of course it’s their country. But there are norms in a developed and civilised country that they need to step up to or forever remain in the developing country status. That helps no one, not least the vast majority of Thais. 
 

I see today that the US has said there will be consequences for those that help Russia. Clearly this is aimed at countries like China and India. However, at a lower level, I also hope there are consequences for Thailand for the more docile and “soft “help” it is giving to Russia.

[Manu]

17 hours ago, Vigo said:

 When Canada and France intervened in Rwanda to stop the genocide, it was not comparable to the  savagery the Russians are inflicting in the Ukraine.

Talking about me as being ignorant mate... And I only take this example, the most obvious of your ignorance. You are obviously not very well documented on the huge responsability of France, my country, in the genocide in Rwanda, one of the worse ever.

Here is just a resume from an Internet source to give you an idea, but you should try to read fully documented books on the subject (and others) from real time actors and observers of that horrific story before talking about it.

https://www.humanrightspulse.com/mastercontentblog/frances-role-in-the-1994-rwandan-genocide

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Any Russian who remains silent now, is complicit in the ongoing war crimes.

And you compare with the Western people who were not silent during different conflicts. But then you compare countries with freedom of speech and a dictatorship. So the people who voiced their disagrement in the examples you give, would they have done so if they had lived in a dictatorship like Today's Russia, being immediately imprisoned or killed by doing so? Would M. Ali had done so, who could speak as much as he wants without any possibilty of being harmed, if he were living in Today's Russia? (no he did not go to jail and he knew from a start he would not and his conviction was eventually of course overturned (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/muhammad-ali-refuses-army-induction) - is your ignorance showing up again by being badly documented or did you transform the truth?? ).  It remains to be seen. Personally I do not think so. And I strongly believe, you, brave hiden Internet forum writer (and all your alikes here), you would not do so either!!!

So have you discovered Putin's Russia in Feb.2022 then?? And also, plenty have indeed spoken up, even more than a dozen of oligarchs around the globe have been "suicided" as a result, 1000s have been imprisoned in Russia. Are you aware of that? Not part of the mainstrean propaganda you file up your brain with I guess hence all you can hear (want to hear??) are "patriotic Russians". All Russians all bad, right?

And now a little quote from one of my favourite Russians, Tolstoi:

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In all history there is no war which was not hatched by the governments, the governments alone, independent of the interests of the people, to whom war is always pernicious even when successful.

On that note, I wish you a very nice day.

[Soidog]

So it seems Thailand did in fact vote in favour of the UN resolution to end the war in Ukraine. Reading the article in todays Bangkok Post does nothing to impress me. They may have voted in supporting the UN resolution, but they did it for all the wrong reasons. Absolutely nothing in the statement reflects the violation of international law. The human suffering or the barbaric war crimes. No, it’s all about the money. Thai leaders get more sick by the day! 
 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2514544/thailand-votes-to-end-ukraine-war

[Soidog]

1 hour ago, Manu said:

Talking about me as being ignorant mate... And I only take this example, the most obvious of your ignorance. You are obviously not very well documented on the huge responsability of France, my country, in the genocide in Rwanda, one of the worse ever.

Here is just a resume from an Internet source to give you an idea, but you should try to read fully documented books on the subject (and others) from real time actors and observers of that horrific story before talking about it.

https://www.humanrightspulse.com/mastercontentblog/frances-role-in-the-1994-rwandan-genocide

And you compare with the Western people who were not silent during different conflicts. But then you compare countries with freedom of speech and a dictatorship. So the people who voiced their disagrement in the examples you give, would they have done so if they had lived in a dictatorship like Today's Russia, being immediately imprisoned or killed by doing so? Would M. Ali had done so, who could speak as much as he wants without any possibilty of being harmed, if he were living in Today's Russia? (no he did not go to jail and he knew from a start he would not and his conviction was eventually of course overturned (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/muhammad-ali-refuses-army-induction) - is your ignorance showing up again by being badly documented or did you transform the truth?? ).  It remains to be seen. Personally I do not think so. And I strongly believe, you, brave hiden Internet forum writer (and all your alikes here), you would not do so either!!!

So have you discovered Putin's Russia in Feb.2022 then?? And also, plenty have indeed spoken up, even more than a dozen of oligarchs around the globe have been "suicided" as a result, 1000s have been imprisoned in Russia. Are you aware of that? Not part of the mainstrean propaganda you file up your brain with I guess hence all you can hear (want to hear??) are "patriotic Russians". All Russians all bad, right?

And now a little quote from one of my favourite Russians, Tolstoi:

On that note, I wish you a very nice day.

All very interesting, but do you think the Russians are right in not speaking out against what their government are doing? Or were they right to support Putin by 200,000 of them turning out on the streets to wave and cheer his every word a day or two ago?
 

And is Thailand right to support the UN resolution to end the war, while at the same time supporting its people by allowing them to travel to Thailand to top up their tan? 

[Pinetree]

12 hours ago, Khunmark said:

They abstained on the vote of condemnation of the initial invasion, which is consistent with allowing  Russians into the country.

No, its not, as the latest vote 2 days ago indicates.  As usual, Thailand is trying to play both sides and looks weak and pathetic by doing so. 

[surfin]

On 2/23/2023 at 10:17 PM, Soidog said:

And how would you know they are Russian? Do they go around with a Russian flag or singing the national anthem. 

Maybe when you hear them speaking Russian????  You dummy

[Soidog]

16 minutes ago, surfin said:

Maybe when you hear them speaking Russian????  You dummy

Oh ok. That’s what I thought you dummy. So you don’t know if they were from Moldova, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia or Lithuania to name just a few countries that also speak Russian.

[JamesR]

1 hour ago, Soidog said:

Oh ok. That’s what I thought you dummy. So you don’t know if they were from Moldova, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia or Lithuania to name just a few countries that also speak Russian.

True, my sister has some builders extending her house in London.

They as you pointed out above can be from different parts of Eastern Europe but speak to each other in Russian, this was the case with the builders. 

[JamesR]

3 hours ago, Soidog said:

All very interesting, but do you think the Russians are right in not speaking out against what their government are doing? Or were they right to support Putin by 200,000 of them turning out on the streets to wave and cheer his every word a day or two ago?
 

And is Thailand right to support the UN resolution to end the war, while at the same time supporting its people by allowing them to travel to Thailand to top up their tan? 

https://www.fragomen.com/insights/worldwiderussia-update-on-visa-suspensions-for-russian-citizens.html

It seems Russians can travel to Europe.

No direct flights but they can go via other countries to Europe (if I have read the document correctly)

[JamesR]

1 hour ago, surfin said:

Maybe when you hear them speaking Russian????  You dummy

I heard some Russians speaking English to a Thai person a few days ago so that means they are English.

[Vigo]

On 2/24/2023 at 1:19 AM, JamesR said:

"There was very vocal criticism of US Vietnam war activity. You are oblivious to American history, because the most vocal opponents were Americans themselves."

Well in a democracy anyone can go about waving protest banners around, try doing that in Russia, you will not be just jailed, you will be killed.

But walking in the streets and shouting a bit must have really pleased the three million Vietnamese who died, you must have touched their hearts.

"You are oblivious to American history,......."

Erm, maybe you are as a few people were opposed to the war but the majority of Americans supported it as was seen by the election of numerous presidents who supported and even increased the death rate in Vietnam, but still, a few of you shouted a little bit which if you know your history did not help much.

The rest of your comments are just pure Western propaganda and are justified by claimed righteousness, I support the West and its actions as I and the rest of us benefit from it but I have not been brainwashed into thinking we are godlike creatures whose aim is to save the world.

I am reminded of the hymn, "Onward Christan soldiers marching as to war...."

Every country has such a view. 

No. History shows that it was public sentiment in the USA that forced the Nixon administration to enter into the peace accords with Vietnam. It was the ongoing futility of the war and the overwhelming demand of the US public that led the Ford administration to cut and run as soon as it could. The cult of revisionist European leftists doesn't want to acknowledge that the US public was instrumental in ending the US involvement. Democracy worked. Go back and look at the polling data; The election of anti war congress members and the very large public protests were massive. Many Americans risked their livelihoods and careers to oppose the war.

Whether I agree with it or not, I recognize that the US  government particularly during the Hoover era was as ruthless as the KGB in suppressing dissent. And yet the Americans persevered. They protested and their Constitution protected them. Yes, very different than today's Russians who do not speak out for fear of  loss of financial position or even recrimination. What does that make the Americans? Courageous, brave? And what of the Russians? Cowards? Selfish? 

You say I offer western propaganda. Well, it is more  truthful and accurate than the bankrupt 1970's era political platform you regurgitate. The darling of the 1980's leftists is Nicaragua and its Sandanista tyrants. Today, it is the most stalwart backer of Russia and its illegal  invasion of the Ukraine, and also the worst violator of human rights and liberties in the Americas. No surprise there. Some things don't change. I will gladly take the imperfect  freedoms and  sometimes disrespected liberties of the USA and western nations than the consistently abusive purveyors of war and pestilence Russian cabal.

[Vigo]

17 hours ago, Manu said:

Talking about me as being ignorant mate... And I only take this example, the most obvious of your ignorance. You are obviously not very well documented on the huge responsability of France, my country, in the genocide in Rwanda, one of the worse ever.

Here is just a resume from an Internet source to give you an idea, but you should try to read fully documented books on the subject (and others) from real time actors and observers of that horrific story before talking about it.

https://www.humanrightspulse.com/mastercontentblog/frances-role-in-the-1994-rwandan-genocide

And you compare with the Western people who were not silent during different conflicts. But then you compare countries with freedom of speech and a dictatorship. So the people who voiced their disagrement in the examples you give, would they have done so if they had lived in a dictatorship like Today's Russia, being immediately imprisoned or killed by doing so? Would M. Ali had done so, who could speak as much as he wants without any possibilty of being harmed, if he were living in Today's Russia? (no he did not go to jail and he knew from a start he would not and his conviction was eventually of course overturned (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/muhammad-ali-refuses-army-induction) - is your ignorance showing up again by being badly documented or did you transform the truth?? ).  It remains to be seen. Personally I do not think so. And I strongly believe, you, brave hiden Internet forum writer (and all your alikes here), you would not do so either!!!

So have you discovered Putin's Russia in Feb.2022 then?? And also, plenty have indeed spoken up, even more than a dozen of oligarchs around the globe have been "suicided" as a result, 1000s have been imprisoned in Russia. Are you aware of that? Not part of the mainstrean propaganda you file up your brain with I guess hence all you can hear (want to hear??) are "patriotic Russians". All Russians all bad, right?

And now a little quote from one of my favourite Russians, Tolstoi:

On that note, I wish you a very nice day.

Although there was an attempt to blame France for the  Rwandan genocide, multiple public inquiries have not provided any documented evidence beyond innuendo and the already acknowledged a organizational incompetence and slow response. I remind you that France inherited a mess leftover from the colonial presence of, first the Germans and then the Belgians. The long established communal hatreds between Tutsi and Hutu were not the doing of the French, anymore than the hatred between ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukraine within the  contested regions of Ukraine was the fault of the west. I do not wish to prosecute the Rwandan genocide here, but I do  to point out two key key factors in the Rwandan conflict that you ignore; The UN failed to authorize or order action in an expedient manner. In fact, it delayed the response of Canadian General Romeo Dallaire who led the UN intervention force, and the fact that the French operation Turquoise saved in excess of 15,000 lives. 

In the Ukraine, we see the same mistakes and political forces at play with Russia and Chin  and their  enablers blocking UN intervention. We also see a late response from western nations to an illegal attack  by Russia. However, unlike Rwanda, the free world has reacted faster and moved to support the victims of war crimes. There will be a day of reckoning and  the  countries (e.g. India ,Iran, Turkey, China, Thailand ) who profited from Russia's war of terror in the Ukraine  will have to answer for their actions.

[Vigo]

On 2/24/2023 at 4:03 AM, JamesR said:

Ok, I will rephrase it, people can benefit from capitalism if they are willing to get off their arses and work hard, for those who want to sit about waiting for toys to be handed out then they get what they want.

I remember when I was working in Berlin a few years after the wall had been removed, I came across a few former East Berliners who were complaining about living in the West as jobs and ''security'' had been provided for them in their former lives and now it was everyone for themselves which they did not like.

The writing has been on the wall for a few decades now, China will take over as the new world power and will encapsulate many Asian countries in its sphere, the West has had its day, these things happen every few hundred/thousand years.

It won't happen overnight and not in my lifetime but it will happen.

Do not  write off the "West". If the prospects were so dire,   China's elite would not be rushing to purchase land, to park their wealth and to educate their progeny, in the west, all the while erecting obstacles to the non elites from doing similar.  Never, ever ignore the power of freedom and opportunity over the dictates of totalitarianism and institutionalized  corruption and racism. It is in Asia where people of darker complexion, and of certain ethnic and religious beliefs,  suffer some of the most egregious of discrimination. 

 

[HiuMak]

Chinese and Russians have every right like the rest of other nations to be travelling and going into Thailand.

If you don't like it then stay away from Thailand and go somewhere else.

[JamesR]

10 hours ago, Vigo said:

No. History shows that it was public sentiment in the USA that forced the Nixon administration to enter into the peace accords with Vietnam. It was the ongoing futility of the war and the overwhelming demand of the US public that led the Ford administration to cut and run as soon as it could. The cult of revisionist European leftists doesn't want to acknowledge that the US public was instrumental in ending the US involvement. Democracy worked. Go back and look at the polling data; The election of anti war congress members and the very large public protests were massive. Many Americans risked their livelihoods and careers to oppose the war.

Whether I agree with it or not, I recognize that the US  government particularly during the Hoover era was as ruthless as the KGB in suppressing dissent. And yet the Americans persevered. They protested and their Constitution protected them. Yes, very different than today's Russians who do not speak out for fear of  loss of financial position or even recrimination. What does that make the Americans? Courageous, brave? And what of the Russians? Cowards? Selfish? 

You say I offer western propaganda. Well, it is more  truthful and accurate than the bankrupt 1970's era political platform you regurgitate. The darling of the 1980's leftists is Nicaragua and its Sandanista tyrants. Today, it is the most stalwart backer of Russia and its illegal  invasion of the Ukraine, and also the worst violator of human rights and liberties in the Americas. No surprise there. Some things don't change. I will gladly take the imperfect  freedoms and  sometimes disrespected liberties of the USA and western nations than the consistently abusive purveyors of war and pestilence Russian cabal.

"No. History shows that it was public sentiment in the USA that forced the Nixon administration to enter into the peace accords with Vietnam..."

Erm, it was because the North Vietnamese had surrounded the Americans so they had to do a runner while throwing their helicopters overboard and deserting the people who had been helping them for decades. 

" Well, it is more  truthful and accurate than the bankrupt 1970's era political platform you regurgitate..."

Maybe there are two of me and it was the other me who did that. 

[JamesR]

10 hours ago, Vigo said:

Although there was an attempt to blame France for the  Rwandan genocide, multiple public inquiries have not provided any documented evidence beyond innuendo and the already acknowledged a organizational incompetence and slow response. I remind you that France inherited a mess leftover from the colonial presence of, first the Germans and then the Belgians. The long established communal hatreds between Tutsi and Hutu were not the doing of the French, anymore than the hatred between ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukraine within the  contested regions of Ukraine was the fault of the west. I do not wish to prosecute the Rwandan genocide here, but I do  to point out two key key factors in the Rwandan conflict that you ignore; The UN failed to authorize or order action in an expedient manner. In fact, it delayed the response of Canadian General Romeo Dallaire who led the UN intervention force, and the fact that the French operation Turquoise saved in excess of 15,000 lives. 

In the Ukraine, we see the same mistakes and political forces at play with Russia and Chin  and their  enablers blocking UN intervention. We also see a late response from western nations to an illegal attack  by Russia. However, unlike Rwanda, the free world has reacted faster and moved to support the victims of war crimes. There will be a day of reckoning and  the  countries (e.g. India ,Iran, Turkey, China, Thailand ) who profited from Russia's war of terror in the Ukraine  will have to answer for their actions.

What about Algeria when fighting for independence, 1.5 million Algerians died.

But as someone pointed out in an earlier comment such things happened a long time ago so we the West are now cleansed of such actions. 

[JamesR]

3 hours ago, HiuMak said:

Chinese and Russians have every right like the rest of other nations to be travelling and going into Thailand.

If you don't like it then stay away from Thailand and go somewhere else.

I was in a restaurant last night in Phuket and a Russian family, a man, wife, and young child were eating at the next table to me.

I thought I had better be careful as all Russians are part of the mafia, he was probably having a meal before going to drive his illegal taxi thus taking jobs away from the locals.

The day before I was in a Mcdonalds and two Russian couples entered, they were the rudest people I have ever come across, one of them had such cheek, he said, "Is it OK if I take this chair to use", I said "No problem", he then took a chair from my table.

What a bleedin' cheek.

They should all be deported. 

(Just in case, this is sarcasm).

[Pinetree]

On 2/25/2023 at 10:51 AM, surfin said:

Maybe when you hear them speaking Russian????  You dummy

Careful, Ukrainians speak Russian.