News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES: Russia relents, Ukraine offers concessions at Turkey peace talks; Amnesty decries Russian war crimes

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

given that 4-5 million citizens work outside of Ukraine, even the figure of 300 thousand is approximately 10% of men.

That is, 90% do not want to die heroically for the business of Zelensky, Kolomoisky, Akhmetov, Biden Jr. and other crooks.

You’re not seeing it. You were generous with the 300K, I’ll return the favor and let say 150K returned. That’s almost equal to the total troops Russia used to invade Ukraine (depending if you want to use the 150K or 200K number). That just those who returned! You still have the 200K in regulars, plus 250K in ready reserves and the conservative number of 2-3M called up with the countrywide mobilization. The number won’t flip to Russia’s favor until they decide to mobilize their entire population too. How do they do that and explain it to the general population? 

[butterfly]

1 hour ago, EdwardV said:

https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/165627/ukrainians-return-fight-russia-invasion
 

We can do this all day as there are dozens of these stories. The only fantasy was you thinking it wasn’t true. 

and now newrepublic.com? come on man, these are for the right wing fanboys, usually very anti-Russian

couldn't get a better source for your story? 

Edited April 2, 2022 by butterfly

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

and now newrepublic.com? come on man, these are for the right wing fanboys, usually very anti-Russian

couldn't get a better source for your story? 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/over-66200-ukrainian-men-have-returned-abroad-fight-says-defence-minister-2022-03-05/

 

I’m beginning to think you don’t want to believe the truth. Why am I not surprised? 

[Fanta]

2 hours ago, EdwardV said:

You’re not seeing it. You were generous with the 300K, I’ll return the favor and let say 150K returned. That’s almost equal to the total troops Russia used to invade Ukraine (depending if you want to use the 150K or 200K number). That just those who returned! You still have the 200K in regulars, plus 250K in ready reserves and the conservative number of 2-3M called up with the countrywide mobilization. The number won’t flip to Russia’s favor until they decide to mobilize their entire population too. How do they do that and explain it to the general population? 

The problem with the potential ground troop numbers being bandied around for both sides is that these people are neither soldiers nor combat ready. Such a big buildup in ground troops takes a lot of time. At this stage, time is not on Ukraine’s side. And the Russian Air Force is never figured into these scenarios. That is the thing that is perplexing to me. Just have a look at the numbers. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/russia-ukraine-military-comparison-intl/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian War

 

[EdwardV]

44 minutes ago, Fanta said:

. At this stage, time is not on Ukraine’s side.

Sounds like you are wrong: 

looks very preliminary but if the story line is even close to true it’s a huge failure for Russia. They get Crimea maybe and a promise of no NATO. They had that before. Ukraine keeps Donbas and gets security guarantees. Huge questions for sure and it could easily lead to nothing. However it’s becoming clear the Russian army is a spent vessel. Agree to the best deal now before you lines get rolled up.  

[Fanta]

21 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Sounds like you are wrong: 

looks very preliminary but if the story line is even close to true it’s a huge failure for Russia. They get Crimea maybe and a promise of no NATO. They had that before. Ukraine keeps Donbas and gets security guarantees. Huge questions for sure and it could easily lead to nothing. However it’s becoming clear the Russian army is a spent vessel. Agree to the best deal now before you lines get rolled up.  

I hope that peace is coming soon. That said, this just sounds like a press release from Ukraine pushing the line that they want a face to face between the 2 leaders and that Ukraine is pushing for peace but Russian isn’t. Even the commentators from 4:00 onwards said  “take this with a grain of salt” while not admitting that NATO was never an option and admitting that “some territory” would have to be given to the Russians. As it stands, it looks like Russia gets the 2 disputed regions and Crimea negotiations off the table for 15 years. Russia’s goal of removing the Ukrainian govt won’t happen without further war. Not exactly a huge failure for Russia but definitely not a total success. Bear in mind that only Ukraine and  the West pushed the line that Russia wanted to conquer the entirety of Ukraine so claiming Russia failed in that regard is neither here nor there. Your opinion that Russia is a spent military vessel seems optimistic. 

[EdwardV]

17 minutes ago, Fanta said:

That said, this just sounds like a press release from Ukraine pushing the line that they want a face to face between the 2 leaders and that Ukraine is pushing for peace but Russian isn’

Absolutely a possibility. Could be nothing more than Ukraine pushing a line to make themselves look good. 

[Stardust]

16 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

If so, then why is there no guerrilla war in the Russian-controlled territories - Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporozhye?

No it is clear you live in your fantasies not want the truth because you cannot handle. To say in the Donbass were no fights is really the biggest fantasy story from you now.

[Stardust]

17 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

If so, then why is there no guerrilla war in the Russian-controlled territories - Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporozhye?

Same like you claimed in Syria only a military building was bombeb. By the way military building from who? Military building from Syrian civillians? Never read such weird fake informations like from you. Yes in your mindset that is filled up only with Putin propaganda there is no invasion, no war and as we know now no war in the Donbass. This shows in which high level they brainwash the people. And it makes everything clear about you and your posts. All by Putin propaganda and brainwashing.

[Stardust]

3 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Sounds like you are wrong: 

looks very preliminary but if the story line is even close to true it’s a huge failure for Russia. They get Crimea maybe and a promise of no NATO. They had that before. Ukraine keeps Donbas and gets security guarantees. Huge questions for sure and it could easily lead to nothing. However it’s becoming clear the Russian army is a spent vessel. Agree to the best deal now before you lines get rolled up.  

The reality why they failed with the capital and the reality of the Russian army and their huges losses

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60970818

 

[Marble-eye]

14 minutes ago, Stardust said:

The reality why they failed with the capital and the reality of the Russian army and their huges losses

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60970818

Totally heartbreaking, I just wonder what spin thaigers own Red Brigade will put to this, their excuses are just one big lie. 

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, Marble-eye said:

Totally heartbreaking, I just wonder what spin thaigers own Red Brigade will put to this, their excuses are just one big lie. 

Putting childrens on their tanks as a shield. This shows who they are the russian army and what kind of scum. People who defend these low life criminals are the same there can't be any apologize anymore or any tolerance

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports

 

[Fester]

5 hours ago, Fanta said:

The problem with the potential ground troop numbers being bandied around for both sides is that these people are neither soldiers nor combat ready. Such a big buildup in ground troops takes a lot of time. At this stage, time is not on Ukraine’s side. And the Russian Air Force is never figured into these scenarios. That is the thing that is perplexing to me. Just have a look at the numbers. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/russia-ukraine-military-comparison-intl/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian War

Looks like the Ukrainians were more ready than the Orcs. 

[KRLMRX]

9 hours ago, EdwardV said:

I’m failing to see the link between what the Saudi’s do or don’t do with future Russian oil production. Help me out, thanks. (BTW, the Saudis don’t even like the Russians, just saying). 

if the Saudis and other market participants have an agreement and will not increase production, then the disappearance of part of Russian oil from the market will lead to an increase in its cost. that is, even with lower sales volumes, Russia will earn more.

Offtopic, I'm done.

[Stardust]

14 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

if the Saudis and other market participants have an agreement and will not increase production, then the disappearance of part of Russian oil from the market will lead to an increase in its cost. that is, even with lower sales volumes, Russia will earn more.

Offtopic, I'm done.

Sure you done, you guys are now on the most wanted list. Abusing children put them on tanks as shields and talking about Nazis as excusing for killing children and take them as hostage. There is now only 2 choices for Putin and his supporter lock them or furtilizer. Now many veterans will go to the Ukraine to hunt you guys and there will be a warrant on Putin and his supporters worldwide!

[KRLMRX]

9 hours ago, EdwardV said:

You’re not seeing it. You were generous with the 300K, I’ll return the favor and let say 150K returned. That’s almost equal to the total troops Russia used to invade Ukraine (depending if you want to use the 150K or 200K number). That just those who returned! You still have the 200K in regulars, plus 250K in ready reserves and the conservative number of 2-3M called up with the countrywide mobilization. The number won’t flip to Russia’s favor until they decide to mobilize their entire population too. How do they do that and explain it to the general population? 

let's be honest, these returning workers can do little to help the army other than scare the Russians with numbers.  

If the question arises about the number, it will not be difficult for Putin to explain the mobilization, and there will already be 150,000 volunteers in Russia.

[Fanta]

56 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Putting childrens on their tanks as a shield. This shows who they are the russian army and what kind of scum. People who defend these low life criminals are the same there can't be any apologize anymore or any tolerance

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports

Don’t be so harsh. Unless they were strapping the kids onto the rear of the tanks, Mad Max style, then the Russians were just promoting goodwill by giving the youngsters a mechanical pony ride /s

Seriously though - if this is true then there cannot be any justification for this. Nobody thought to video this or grab a happy snap? In the same article it mentions sweet Ukrainian mothers feeding poisoned pies to Russian soldiers while the alleged kneecapping of Russian POWs seems to have been largely ignored by the same Western media keen to post every alleged outrage by the Russians. No side has a monopoly on brutality in war. They are all wrong. (cue outraged response in 3… 2… 1…)

Let’s just hope the peace talks are fruitful and that this is all over soon. 

[KRLMRX]

5 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Sounds like you are wrong: 

looks very preliminary but if the story line is even close to true it’s a huge failure for Russia. They get Crimea maybe and a promise of no NATO. They had that before. Ukraine keeps Donbas and gets security guarantees. Huge questions for sure and it could easily lead to nothing. However it’s becoming clear the Russian army is a spent vessel. Agree to the best deal now before you lines get rolled up.  

The issue of Donbass has already been resolved, it will become part of Russia.

The leadership of the DPR and LPR have already announced that they will soon hold a referendum, such things are not done without coordination with the Russian Federation.  

The same fate, perhaps, awaits Kherson, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Sumy and Kharkov, or they will become an independent state from Kyiv.

[Stardust]

3 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Don’t be so harsh. Unless they were strapping the kids onto the rear of the tanks, Mad Max style, then the Russians were just promoting goodwill by giving the youngsters a mechanical pony ride /s

Seriously though - if this is true then there cannot be any justification for this. Nobody thought to video this or grab a happy snap? In the same article it mentions sweet Ukrainian mothers feeding poisoned pies to Russian soldiers while the alleged kneecapping of Russian POWs seems to have been largely ignored by the same Western media keen to post every alleged outrage by the Russians. No side has a monopoly on brutality in war. They are all wrong. (cue outraged response in 3… 2… 1…)

Let’s just hope the peace talks are fruitful and that this is all over soon. 

So you are supporting child abuses, taking children as hostages and put them on tanks and trucks as shields? Nothing can apologize it and shows your mindset!

[KRLMRX]

3 hours ago, Stardust said:

No it is clear you live in your fantasies not want the truth because you cannot handle. To say in the Donbass were no fights is really the biggest fantasy story from you now.

military Donbass are fighting together with the military of Russia against the military of Ukraine.  there is no guerrilla war of the inhabitants of Donbass against Russia.

[Fanta]

2 minutes ago, Stardust said:

So you are supporting child abuses, taking children as hostages and put them on tanks and trucks as shields? Nothing can apologize it and shows your mindset!

I hope you are not reincarnated as a fish because you take the bait every time. FYI /s denotes sarcasm. If this allegation is true then it is a war crime. The alleged use of civilians as human shields hasn’t been seen since the days of Mariupol or Saddam Insane. 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Stardust said:

Putting childrens on their tanks as a shield. This shows who they are the russian army and what kind of scum. People who defend these low life criminals are the same there can't be any apologize anymore or any tolerance

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports

this is how the manipulation of consciousness and incitement of hatred happens.  

You've been told a story without any evidence, and you hate a certain group of people even more.

[Stardust]

4 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

military Donbass are fighting together with the military of Russia against the military of Ukraine.  there is no guerrilla war of the inhabitants of Donbass against Russia.

Distraction tactics doesn't work at me especially not from people who are supporting war crime. Interesting you called the russian seperatist army paid by Putin and without Ukrainians in the Donbass the Donbass Army. What upper new brainwashing program from Putin. And sure the native Donbass/Ukrainians are fighting there with Ukraine Army against criminals who terrorized the Donbass citizens. Just terrorists, mass murders paid by the low life criminal Putin.

[Stardust]

10 minutes ago, Fanta said:

I hope you are not reincarnated as a fish because you take the bait every time. FYI /s denotes sarcasm. If this allegation is true then it is a war crime. The alleged use of civilians as human shields hasn’t been seen since the days of Mariupol or Saddam Insane. 

People like you I wouldn't let them near my children!

[Stardust]

11 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

this is how the manipulation of consciousness and incitement of hatred happens.  

You've been told a story without any evidence, and you hate a certain group of people even more.

To think the whole world is that stupid and everything will be not documentated makes you guys more weak. Sure Putins brainwashing may work at you and as we can see you think Putins Propaganda and fake news has anything to do with the truth. To think they can win against the truth on the long shows that Putin and his supporters already lost. All the footages in Ukraine shows this and more come up daily! They will hunt them for that and they go already for the Putin supporters, Oligarchs worldwide and will do it more now!