News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[JohnC]

23 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Taking the piss is what soldiers do. Its universal in that regard. All soldiers are want to do it but in reality it was just banter. Take nothing other than that out of it.

Fair enough fella

I do have to point out though that we're not soldiers just two blokes who don't know each other on an Internet forum so a bit of mutual respect is needed. 

I don't take the piss out of people I don't know and expect likewise in return. Banter or not. 

Anyway enjoyed debating with you. 

Have a good evening and weekend

[KRLMRX]

56 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

The same Lavrov who was denying that Russia had actually invaded the Ukraine.

That Lavrov?

The same Powell who cracked the test tube as evidence? The same Powell?

[EdwardV]

4 hours ago, butterfly said:

both parties have violated the Minsk agreement, they knew what was coming. Putin delivered the response as expected.

If both parties violated the Minsk agreement, why is only one paying the price and the other side being rewarded? Even so it is clear that Russia first violated the early Budapest memorandum when occupying Crimea. Clearly it doesn't take two to start a war, just one. 

[EdwardV]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

Again, the Americans, for example, do not bother with evidence and simply plunge the country into the Middle Ages, killing up to 1 million civilians along the way. Why can't Putin do this?

False equivalency. The fact the US has done bad things, no one is claiming otherwise, doesn't give the right to Russia to do the same to someone else. 

[KRLMRX]

19 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

False equivalency. The fact the US has done bad things, no one is claiming otherwise, doesn't give the right to Russia to do the same to someone else. 

why not, my chauvinistic friend? Why are some people allowed and others forbidden?

[Tim_Melb]

On 3/10/2022 at 7:50 PM, Marble-eye said:

Of course nobody wants WW3, but on the other hand do we want Putin to have a free rein on how many countries he invaded and how many innocent people he murders.

If the reason is that we are allowing him to be doing all this slaughtering and invading other countries is because he has got nuclear weapons we may all as well just hide under the kitchen table and cower.

Can I put the question back to you, if Putin didn't have these nuclear missiles would you have a different take on the criminal act he has started.

I think it's a case of damned if we do and damned if we don't.

But if your next door neighbour kept attacking your wife and the reason you don't do anything is because he may set his vicious rottweiler on you, I think you would do something?

You do understand that if NATO was to declare a no fly zone and shoot down Russian aircraft or worse make ground strikes on Russian columns in Ukraine Putin would Nuke every country involved. Don't think he won't if you think that you're a fool Putin will use Nukes without hesitation to the Russians nukes are just another weapon at their disposal. 

[KRLMRX]

it looks like Borrell sold out to Putin

Borrell admits mistake to have promised Ukraine NATO membership

https://www.tbsnews.net/world/borrell-admits-mistake-have-promised-ukraine-nato-membership-383362

[butterfly]

6 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

it looks like Borrell sold out to Putin

Borrell admits mistake to have promised Ukraine NATO membership

https://www.tbsnews.net/world/borrell-admits-mistake-have-promised-ukraine-nato-membership-383362

that's what I have been saying, but somehow got told that this "secret" was a lie by the usual suspects

[EdwardV]

23 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

why not, my chauvinistic friend? Why are some people allowed and others forbidden?

Who said anyone is allowed? The US was rightly blasted both internally and externally for invading Iraq. There were massive anti war protests and there was huge amounts of negative press in the US (neither of which are allowed in Russia), and the world in general. The UN correctly condemned the US and it's partner nations. History has not looked favorably on the US in the aftermath, again rightly so. 

The real question is why would you think it's justifiable just become someone else did something horrible? 

Next time, Russia should get a bunch of it's friends together (oh yeah, never mind), and punish the US. Sanctions, UN resolutions, supporting the other country, things like that. They have that right ... don't they?   

[vlad]

3 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

The same Powell who cracked the test tube as evidence? The same Powell?

Who used Novichok in Salsbury UK? Who poisened Navalny again with Novichok, Who murdered Alexander Litvinenoko in london in 2006 ?

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, EdwardV said:

Who said anyone is allowed? The US was rightly blasted both internally and externally for invading Iraq. There were massive anti war protests and there was huge amounts of negative press in the US (neither of which are allowed in Russia), and the world in general. The UN correctly condemned the US and it's partner nations. History has not looked favorably on the US in the aftermath, again rightly so. 

The real question is why would you think it's justifiable just become someone else did something horrible? 

Next time, Russia should get a bunch of it's friends together (oh yeah, never mind), and punish the US. Sanctions, UN resolutions, supporting the other country, things like that. They have that right ... don't they?   

but the US did it and suffered no punishment. Why do you deny Putin's Russia this?

The UN also condemned Russia, the press inside Russia also condemned for a while, then it was banned. But you also banned some media.

the real question is - What is Putin doing that "free western democracies" haven't done?

[KRLMRX]

5 minutes ago, vlad said:

Who used Novichok in Salsbury UK? Who poisened Navalny again with Novichok, Who murdered Alexander Litvinenoko in london in 2006 ?

who is killing Assange right now?

[vlad]

1 hour ago, Tim_Melb said:

You do understand that if NATO was to declare a no fly zone and shoot down Russian aircraft or worse make ground strikes on Russian columns in Ukraine Putin would Nuke every country involved. Don't think he won't if you think that you're a fool Putin will use Nukes without hesitation to the Russians nukes are just another weapon at their disposal. 

Tim don't worry Putin will be disposed of by his own generals if he orders a Nuke Strike, and if he did manage to unleash 1 France and the UK Will unleash our own nukes and Obliterate Russia and wipe it off the face of the Earth. Putin knows this he is just trying to Bully the west. The only thing he will face is a war crime trial's against humanity and anyone connected with him will face justice. 

[vlad]

2 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

who is killing Assange right now?

Answer the question Comrade don't deflect from my question.

[EdwardV]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

but the US did it and suffered no punishment. Why do you deny Putin's Russia this?

The UN also condemned Russia, the press inside Russia also condemned for a while, then it was banned. But you also banned some media.

the real question is - What is Putin doing that "free western democracies" haven't done?

Why does the west deny Putin the ability to attack a sovereign nation without punishment? Because it's in their interest to do so but mostly because they can. Russia could have done the same to the US at the time, however they decided not to do so. More likely they lacked the ability to do so. Lets not forget Russia was more than happy to use it's proxy Iran to inflict "punishment" upon the US (something both sides have done against each other since the end of WW2).  

Proof of any kind to that claim would be interesting to say the least. The US government doesn't have the ability to silence the media, it's called the 1st Amendment of the US constitution (there is a reason it's listed first). 

Again that's called a false equivalency. The fact others have done horrible things in the past isn't justification for allowing Russia to do so to anyone now or in the future.  

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, vlad said:

Tim don't worry Putin will be disposed of by his own generals if he orders a Nuke Strike, and if he did manage to unleash 1 France and the UK Will unleash our own nukes and Obliterate Russia and wipe it off the face of the Earth. Putin knows this he is just trying to Bully the west. The only thing he will face is a war crime trial's against humanity and anyone connected with him will face justice. 

I hate to say this but the UK and France have about 500 nuclear missiles between them. 

Russia has over 6000

Nobody wins if a nuclear missile gets launched. Absolutely no one. 

We need to avoid going nuclear at all costs. If that's by assassinating Putin or a peace agreement of some sort I couldn't care less as long as they avoid starting WW3 

[oldschooler]

On 3/10/2022 at 11:31 AM, KRLMRX said:

This is a picture from yesterday's briefing by the RF Ministry of Defense. For 13 days, they claim the loss of 13,619 Ukrainian soldiers, that is, about 1,000 per day.

In Russia, no one cares what the British say, because there is an opinion that Britain is the talking head on the hand of the Americans.

Difference is UK Govt / Military Analysts are ACCOUNTABLE to the public & peers. So if they talk shite like Russians they are Openly Challenged & Reputations / Careers Destroyed. 

[KRLMRX]

4 minutes ago, vlad said:

Answer the question Comrade don't deflect from my question.

why?  all the answers are in CNN, BBC, ARD

[oldschooler]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I hate to say this but the UK and France have about 500 nuclear missiles between them. 

Russia has over 6000

Nobody wins if a nuclear missile gets launched. Absolutely no one. 

We need to avoid going nuclear at all costs. If that's by assassinating Putin or a peace agreement of some sort I couldn't care less as long as they avoid starting WW3 

Won’t Happen. Putin & Crony Oligarchs enjoys their power & stolen riches too much. Putin will be removed internally the minute he makes any such move. Surprised he survived his “raising nuclear alert” PR stunt.

[oldschooler]

2 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

why?  all the answers are in CNN, BBC, ARD

surprisingly, CNN providing the best coverage perhaps of any news channel. Zero interest in CNN reporters but turn sound back on to listen avidly to the many former US NATO Generals giving their informed military & intelligence opinions there.UK Generals also worth listening to when on UK News channels

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Won’t Happen. Putin & Crony Oligarchs enjoys their power & stolen riches too much. Putin will be removed internally the minute he makes any such move. Surprised he survived his “raising nuclear alert” PR stunt.

I really hope that you are right for everyone's sake. I'm leaning towards that opinion also

After two years of all this covid shit the last thing the world needs is another major war. 

Could be bleedin years before I get back to Thailand if that's the case

[KRLMRX]

16 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

The US government doesn't have the ability to silence the media, it's called the 1st Amendment of the US constitution (there is a reason it's listed first). 

RT America Shuts Down Amid Russian State-Media Bans

https://www.vulture.com/2022/03/youtube-tiktok-meta-block-russia-owned-rt.html

but this is not the government, it is the businessmen who have decided so, yes.

[oldschooler]

5 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

you probably meant Lavrov, head of the Russian Foreign Ministry. If he said so, we are waiting for evidence.

Again, the Americans, for example, do not bother with evidence and simply plunge the country into the Middle Ages, killing up to 1 million civilians along the way. Why can't Putin do this?

Of That “ one million”’ , West killed maybe 150k in Iraq /Afghanistan ( already in the Dark Ages) mostly specifically targeted very nasty murderous terrorists. No saints on that lot but possibly 50k civilians died being used as human shields by said evil guys. These c***s would actually live surrounded by their imprisoned women, old & kids, as if that would protect them. It Didn’t. Anything above that rough 200k is down to natives killing their own or pure nonsense figures.

No “ Civilians” deliberately targeted by West.Difference is Putin is targeting Civilians indiscriminately. This is all blindingly obvious. 

[oldschooler]

11 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

RT America Shuts Down Amid Russian State-Media Bans

https://www.vulture.com/2022/03/youtube-tiktok-meta-block-russia-owned-rt.html

but this is not the government, it is the businessmen who have decided so, yes.

All  business & govt linked in Putins Russia, as you well know 

[KRLMRX]

1 minute ago, oldschooler said:

Of That “ one million”’ , West killed maybe 150k in Iraq /Afghanistan ( already in the Dark Ages) mostly specifically targeted very nasty murderous terrorists. No saints on that lot but possibly 50k civilians died being used as human shields by said evil guys. These c***s would actually live surrounded by their imprisoned women, old & kids, as if that would protect them. It Didn’t. Anything above that rough 200k is down to natives killing their own or pure nonsense figures.

No “ Civilians” deliberately targeted by West.Difference is Putin is targeting Civilians indiscriminately. This is all blindingly obvious. 

The UN believes that up to 1 million dead are civilians. No one conducted an investigation into the causes of their death, but it happened exactly during the period when there were American soldiers in the country. Perhaps just a coincidence. Also, no one conducted investigations into the deaths of Ukrainian civilians. Alas