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[oldschooler]

On 3/7/2022 at 6:02 PM, Chatogaster said:

No offence taken.

Your argument makes sense on the surface (and I don't entirely disagree), but it's not unlike the scenario of a wife that gets beaten up by her abusive husband whenever she disagrees. The wife may have thoughts like "I have no place to go" / "it's an incident" / "it will heal" / "it grew gradually" / "maybe he's right" / "I'll watch my mouth next time", etc.

Who is to blame other than the husband? According to your reasoning, the wife carries most of the blame and she should be slapped silly for allowing that kind of abuse (maybe I'm taking the metaphor a bit too far here). My take is that part of the blame, or more accurately, the responsibility for a solution also lies with neighbors and friends.

So my answer to your repetitive question "Whose responsibility?" is: it belongs to Russians, but only in part and I don't expect a deposition of Putin as a result of targeting civilians. It also belongs to neighboring countries, the EU, NATO and basically everybody who values the human right to individuality and self-organization.

On a side-note: expelling Russians now would mean moving them from a country where they have free access to global news into a country where the news feeds are maximally biased.

False Analogy. People Get the Govts.They Deserve. No Exceptions.

100% People Responsibility. Foreigners Zero responsibility.The 0.1% oppressor robbers can easily be removed by the 99.9% oppressed / robbed.

[Stardust]

On 3/7/2022 at 4:18 PM, butterfly said:

the US is not on the front line, so easy for them to start a war in Europe

delivering those jets won't change anything, it's a token to appease the Ukraine President and save face while poking fun at the big Russian bear

what could possibly go wrong? 

I guess you never served especially not in an european army. These Russians are a loughing stock and no battle experience. They even don't know how to organize a convoy and park the truck with amunition between them there are points I not write here but when these guys are now coming from europe who signed in and served, they knock them out , because the russian army are amateurs and everybody in europe can watch that. They even haven't a proper radio comunication or know how to organise proper supply lines etc etc. The russians will need foreign legions to bring them alive home and thats why the only thing they can do is bombing on civilians. If this russian army would have any convential war with europe, they would eat them quickly.

[Stardust]

9 minutes ago, Stardust said:

I guess you never served especially not in an european army. These Russians are a loughing stock and no battle experience. They even don't know how to organize a convoy and park the truck with amunition between them there are points I not write here but when these guys are now coming from europe who signed in and served, they knock them out , because the russian army are amateurs and everybody in europe can watch that. They even haven't a proper radio comunication or know how to organise proper supply lines etc etc. The russians will need foreign legions to bring them alive home and thats why the only thing they can do is bombing on civilians. If this russian army would have any convential war with europe, they would eat them quickly.

Its the same with the pla no armies with combat experience would call this an army. 

[Noble_Design]

6 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Its the same with the pla no armies with combat experience would call this an army. 

Huh? Sino-Indian War, Korean War, Vietnam War... no combat experience?

[vlad]

UK Ex servicemen have sighned on and have travelled to Ukraine to fight the Ruskies. However before there stamped from the Ukranian Embassy they have to prove there ex servicemen if you dont have proof your turned away.

[Stardust]

1 minute ago, Noble_Design said:

Huh? Sino-Indian War, Korean War, Vietnam War... no combat experience?

Sure you definetly served, too. And about the existing pla, too. And by the way there is no continent in the world who had to experienced wars like europe and their armies all the time in combats. By the way Chinese pla had no chance against the vietnamese army last time they attacked them. Sino India war same. Ask the Indian soldiers! You not understand what means combat experiences for sure not the pla. 

[Stardust]

9 minutes ago, vlad said:

UK Ex servicemen have sighned on and have travelled to Ukraine to fight the Ruskies. However before there stamped from the Ukranian Embassy they have to prove there ex servicemen if you dont have proof your turned away.

Exactly, also the same in all other european countries were they signed in.

[Klodt]

21 hours ago, Bill212 said:

This is false. Russia is bombing the humanitarian corridors. Dont believe this article. It is misinformation. Civilians are being slaughtered. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stardust said:

Its the same with the pla no armies with combat experience would call this an army. 

army amateurs? God forbid you meet such amateurs! If you don't believe me, come and try it!

Edited March 8, 2022 by BigHewer
Foreign language removed from quoted text

[KRLMRX]

20 hours ago, Bill212 said:

This is false. Russia is bombing the humanitarian corridors. Dont believe this article. It is misinformation. Civilians are being slaughtered. 

certainly peaceful people are dying, this is a mandatory attribute of any war.

But, in fairness, in this war, obviously, the Russian army has an order to minimize the death of civilians.

Otherwise, we would have seen thousands of videos and photos, but this is not the case.

This is the first war that is being conducted almost live, and the massacre of civilians in such circumstances cannot be hidden.

[Klodt]

20 hours ago, Bill212 said:

This is false. Russia is bombing the humanitarian corridors. Dont believe this article. It is misinformation. Civilians are being slaughtered. 

Not false ! I am here and you are there!

[Stardust]

9 minutes ago, Klodt said:

army amateurs? God forbid you meet such amateurs! If you don't believe me, come and try it!

Sure they are! Whole europe saw you russians, I saw your army, too. Bombing civilians thats what you can. Ukrainian snipers already shut your super general. The whole world can see this bunch of russian ameteur army thats why they bombing civilians. You need foreign legions to bring you alive out. By the way in europe they are listening your radio comunication and as you know or remember they understand russian! They recorded all inclusive your whining troops!!!

And they are right this is not their war , you should listen to your own people!

[Klodt]

3 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Sure they are! Whole europe saw you russians, I saw your army, too. Bombing civilians thats what you can. Ukrainian snipers already shut your super general. The whole world can see this bunch of russian ameteur army thats why they bombing civilians. You need foreign legions to bring you alive out. By the way in europe they are listening your radio comunication and as you know or remember they understand russian! They recorded all inclusive your whining troops!!!

And they are right this is not their war , you should listen to your own people!

Not only Russians speak Russian! Let's not argue and wait a bit!

[Stardust]

Just now, Klodt said:

Not only Russians speak Russian! Let's not argue and wait a bit!

Ok 

[KRLMRX]

14 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Ukrainian snipers already shut your super general

this next fake information war has already been refuted. you need to learn how to work with different sources of information.

17 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Bombing civilians thats what you can. 

the Russian army has yet to break the latest record of the Western coalition, which killed up to 1 million civilians in the latest operation in Iraq

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

[Stardust]

2 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

this next fake information war has already been refuted. you need to learn how to work with different sources of information.

the Russian army has yet to break the latest record of the Western coalition, which killed up to 1 million civilians in the latest operation in Iraq

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

This is the source of european army and their intelligence sources and for sure they not your Putin Clowns tv you really know nothing. By the way Karl Marx was a German, a westerner . You really know nothing! And in europe and in Ukraine they listen 24 hours to their radio comunication so have all the sources . Thats the differences between your propaganda Putin sources. You really have no clue.

[KRLMRX]

11 minutes ago, Stardust said:

This is the source of european army and their intelligence sources and for sure they not your Putin Clowns tv you really know nothing. By the way Karl Marx was a German, a westerner . You really know nothing! And in europe and in Ukraine they listen 24 hours to their radio comunication so have all the sources . Thats the differences between your propaganda Putin sources. You really have no clue.

there is no such thing as a "European army", someone is deceiving you.

If you studied the issue at least a little, you would know that for the left it does not matter what nationality a person is, they are internationalists.

By the way, another German 100 years ago said: "Mankind faces a choice - socialism or barbarism." While humanity is confidently moving towards barbarism and this is not funny

[Fester]

4 hours ago, Manu said:

Ok, not sure to get any point there. That’s it, 3 nonsense sentences are supposed to make a point. Ok, I am sure civilians in horror right now because of something our “great” leader have triggered along the way are watching your insane comment here. No war is good , but none of them are created by you and me, our leaders and their elite people who put them there  you get that point, you get the point.

Putting it simply for you, your post was the nonsense, as well as factually incorrect, on multiple counts.

That was my point but I'm sure there aren't many "civilians" watching, or even caring, what we have to say.

[Stardust]

Just now, KRLMRX said:

there is no such thing as a "European army", someone is deceiving you.

If you studied the issue at least a little, you would know that for the left it does not matter what nationality a person is, they are internationalists.

By the way, another German 100 years ago said: "Mankind faces a choice - socialism or barbarism." While humanity is confidently moving towards barbarism and this is not funny

I served in such one . Sure bombing civilians is nit barbarism. By the way if you could read german and compare it to the chinese translations and interpretations or Russian you would see it is completly different and often the opposite what they say. By the way all he wrote was about his time and actual situation about that time. You even cannot read the original sources and wanna explain others about using the wrong sources . You seems even not to understand that the eastern european countries and Germany understand russian but they mostly not any european language. 

[KRLMRX]

7 minutes ago, Stardust said:

I served in such one . Sure bombing civilians is nit barbarism. By the way if you could read german and compare it to the chinese translations and interpretations or Russian you would see it is completly different and often the opposite what they say. By the way all he wrote was about his time and actual situation about that time. You even cannot read the original sources and wanna explain others about using the wrong sources . You seems even not to understand that the eastern european countries and Germany understand russian but they mostly not any european language. 

then, according to the rules of the forum, you can easily provide evidence of the existence of a "European army".

this is the sadness that everything he wrote 200 years ago is still relevant today. This means that humanity has been marking time for hundreds of years, killing its own kind for the sake of gold, oil, and resources.

[Stardust]

6 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

then, according to the rules of the forum, you can easily provide evidence of the existence of a "European army".

this is the sadness that everything he wrote 200 years ago is still relevant today. This means that humanity has been marking time for hundreds of years, killing its own kind for the sake of gold, oil, and resources.

Omg are you joking? Is Putin tv now telling you that are no european armies? good night

[KRLMRX]

6 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Omg are you joking? Is Putin tv now telling you that are no european armies? good night

there are national armies of the states of Europe. So which European army told you about the assassination of a Russian supergeneral?

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

there are national armies of the states of Europe. So which European army told you about the assassination of a Russian supergeneral?

Ignore him mate he's got issues. 

Pity we never wiped his forefathers out 75 years ago but we're a forgiving lot. 

[Stardust]

11 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

there are national armies of the states of Europe. So which European army told you about the assassination of a Russian supergeneral?

Every army in any european country is an european you understand really nothing about europe and about europeans! But you want to explain europeans europe . You must be clown. You even not understand that also private persons listen and hacked the radio comunication and understand Russian and recording 24 hours. You waan know it Bundeswehr confirmed by the and in all german news. The radio comunication recorde is in the net, too. The links also in the german tv , like ntv nachrichten, tagesschau etc. By the way it was in all german news outlets and in all other european news. And your source?? the reliable Putin tv or rt news comon, now really good night. Watch real sources! Gave you enough examples!

[KRLMRX]

13 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Ignore him mate he's got issues. 

Pity we never wiped his forefathers out 75 years ago but we're a forgiving lot. 

perhaps this is the unfortunate one, forced to write many words for money. you should feel sorry for him. he still has the opportunity to change.

[KRLMRX]

31 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Every army in any european country is an european you understand really nothing about europe and about europeans! But you want to explain europeans europe . You must be clown. You even not understand that also private persons listen and hacked the radio comunication and understand Russian and recording 24 hours. You waan know it Bundeswehr confirmed by the and in all german news. The radio comunication recorde is in the net, too. The links also in the german tv , like ntv nachrichten, tagesschau etc. By the way it was in all german news outlets and in all other european news. And your source?? the reliable Putin tv or rt news comon, now really good night. Watch real sources! Gave you enough examples!

that is, the Bundeswehr informed you about it. Ok.

in these sources there are no audio conversations and references to the Bundeswehr, as well as in the news of other European sources.

In all notes there is a link to the source - the Main Directorate of Intelligence of Ukraine.

That is, the intelligence of Ukraine came up with a fake (the intelligence of Russia is also doing this, this is a war), the European near-state media replicate it, since they are forced to take the position of officials of their countries, and you propose to consider this as evidence?