News Forum - Russia attacks Ukraine from three fronts, explosions in major cities

[Stardust]

2 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

Top Russian Major General Andrey  Sukhovetsky been shot and killed by a Ukraine sniper, this will be a big blow both military and morally.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10573429/Top-Russian-general-killed-Ukrainian-sniper-Kyiv-claims-9-000-Putins-troops-died.html

In europe and in the Ukraine they hacked the comunication lines of the russian troops. The resitance could cut off their gasoline and food supply. First Russian troops are fleeing and restance fighters could get their military equipment

 

Uups twitter doesn't work as link? 

Pictures of the capture of their missile equipment.

[Stardust]

3 minutes ago, Stardust said:

In europe and in the Ukraine they hacked the comunication lines of the russian troops. The resitance could cut off their gasoline and food supply. First Russian troops are fleeing and restance fighters could get their military equipment

Uups twitter doesn't work as link? 

Pictures of the capture of their missile equipment.

I tried to make the link it s twitter but it doesn't work, dont know why. #Ukraine

[Marble-eye]

3 minutes ago, Stardust said:

In europe and in the Ukraine they hacked the comunication lines of the russian troops. The resitance could cut off their gasoline and food supply. First Russian troops are fleeing and restance fighters could get their military equipment

Uups twitter doesn't work as link? 

Pictures of the capture of their missile equipment.

There are also reports of Russian Red Cross vehicles being used to transport military arms, but I am sure that Pumped up Putin wouldn't stoop so low or would he.

 

 

 

[Stardust]

12 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

There are also reports of Russian Red Cross vehicles being used to transport military arms, but I am sure that Pumped up Putin wouldn't stoop so low or would he.

Anyway they anounced every tank people are capture any other equipment is tax free. Many from Europe ( many went over the border to the Ukraine) will come and hunting them as I cannot send the german link I found a similiar in english

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/ukraine-authorities-say-seized-russian-tanks-dont-need-to-be-declared-on-tax-form

 

[Stardust]

19 hours ago, Guphz said:

There are also far more Nazis (actually a higher rate of them) in Russia than in Ukraine. It's not without reason that Russia is a popular place to travel for Nazis around the world.

The whole "denazification" excuse is extremely dishonest, especially considering that Putin hangs out with actual Nazis himself.

About his mindset interesting interview

 

[Stardust]

10 minutes ago, Stardust said:

About his mindset interesting interview

1 million usd on the head of Putin

 

[Thaidup]

The Russian Embassy in Canada has issued a statement.

https://www.newyorknationalreview.com/state-of-affairs/embassy-statement-by-embassy-of-the-russian-federation-in-canada/

 

 

[Faz]

Similar statement by the Russian Embassy, Thailand.
https://thailand.mid.ru/news/6341-zayavlenie-mid-rossii-o-roli-evrosoyuza-v-sobytiyakh-na-ukraine

 

For many years, the European Union, under the guise of a "peacemaker", generously financed the Kiev regime, which came to power as a result of an unconstitutional coup d'état. Silently watched the extermination of the population in the Donbass, the strangulation of Russian-language in Ukraine. The EU ignored our constant calls to pay attention to the dominance of the Nazis in the power of Ukraine, the socio-economic blockade and the murder of civilians in the south-east of the country. Having linked all prospects for relations with Russia with the implementation of the Minsk Package of Measures, nothing has been done to encourage Kiev to begin implementing its key elements. At the same time, they gave the Kiev authorities money and a visa-free regime. Anti-Russian sanctions were extended under dubious pretexts. They participated in performances staged by Kiev that call into question the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

Now, however, the masks have been dropped. The EU's decision on February 27 to begin supplying lethal weapons to the Ukrainian military is self-revealing. Marks the end of European integration as a "pacifist" project to reconcile European peoples after World War II. The EU finally sided with the Kiev regime, which unleashed a policy of genocide against part of its own population.

Without noticing it, in their anti-Russian actions in Brussels they slipped into the "newspeak" of John Orwell. They announced that they would "invest" in the war in Ukraine unleashed in 2014 through a mechanism with the telling name "European Peace Fund". To the "defensive" means, the EU leadership does not hesitate to include missile and small arms, ammunition and even combat aircraft.

The EU demonstrated what the rule of law really stands for in Europe by ignoring all eight criteria of its own "Common Position" of the EU Council "On the Definition of Common Rules for Export Controls of Military Technology and Equipment" 2008/944/CFSP of December 8, 2008, which expressly prohibits the supply of arms and military equipment from the EU in the following situations:

1. the country's non-compliance with international obligations (Kiev ignored its obligations under the Minsk Package of Measures, approved by UN Security Council Resolution 2202);
2. non-observance of human rights, including the risk of using the supplied weapons for internal repression (in the Donbass, Kiev committed genocide);
3. the armed conflict in the country of destination and the risks of its escalation due to the supply of weapons;
4. threats to regional peace, security and stability, including the possibility of armed conflict with a third country;
5. a risk to the national security of the EU countries (the supplied weapons can be used against the interests of the EU countries);
6. the policy of the acquiring country, including compliance with the principle of non-use of force, international humanitarian law, as well as the non-proliferation regime in the field of arms control (we do not believe that Kiev has exemplary fulfilled these obligations, including taking into account the well-known cases of "gray" schemes of arms trade from Ukraine);
7. the risk of the supplied weapons falling into the wrong hands, including terrorist organizations (given the uncontrolled distribution of weapons in Ukraine to the population, there is an almost guaranteed probability that eventually part of it will end up on the shadow market);
8. maintaining a balance between militarization and the economic development of the recipient country (we believe that Kiev should be more concerned with the Ukrainian economy, and not with the forceful suppression of dissenters).

EU citizens and structures involved in the supply of lethal weapons and fuel and lubricants to the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be responsible for any consequences of such actions in the context of an ongoing special military operation. They cannot but understand the extent of the danger of the consequences.

Another myth planted in the past by the EU members has also been finally dispelled – that their unilateral restrictions, which are illegitimate in international legal terms, are not directed against the Russian people. Brussels functionaries, who until recently portrayed themselves as a "strategic partner" of our country, no longer really hiding, say: they intend to inflict "maximum damage" on Russia, "hit the sore spots", "seriously destroy the economy" and "suppress the economic growth" of the country.

We want to assure you that it will not work. The actions of the European Union will not remain without a tough response. Russia will continue to ensure the realization of vital national interests without regard to sanctions and their threats. It is time for Western countries to understand that their unchallenged dominance in the global economy is long in the past.

 

[Thaidup]

10 minutes ago, Faz said:

It is time for Western countries to understand that their unchallenged dominance in the global economy is long in the past.

This last verse in that statement may hold true, if China does not disavow what Russia has done, It is a scary scenario if China and Russia align.

[Convert54]

On 3/1/2022 at 5:06 PM, vlad said:

Because there using them on civillians not military targets.

Unfortunately Ukrainian "Civilians of age 18 to 60 years (Males?) are  now considered compulsory military conscripts and eligible to be issued arms .Thus as deemed militia their accommodation by definition can be argued to be military barracks and by not  evacuating non militia persons  such as  children ,infants , aged p's  could also be argued  to be using  latter  persons as human shields.

[King Cotton]

22 minutes ago, Faz said:

Similar statement by the Russian Embassy, Thailand.
https://thailand.mid.ru/news/6341-zayavlenie-mid-rossii-o-roli-evrosoyuza-v-sobytiyakh-na-ukraine

For many years, the European Union, under the guise of a "peacemaker", generously financed the Kiev regime, which came to power as a result of an unconstitutional coup d'état. Silently watched the extermination of the population in the Donbass, the strangulation of Russian-language in Ukraine. The EU ignored our constant calls to pay attention to the dominance of the Nazis in the power of Ukraine, the socio-economic blockade and the murder of civilians in the south-east of the country. Having linked all prospects for relations with Russia with the implementation of the Minsk Package of Measures, nothing has been done to encourage Kiev to begin implementing its key elements. At the same time, they gave the Kiev authorities money and a visa-free regime. Anti-Russian sanctions were extended under dubious pretexts. They participated in performances staged by Kiev that call into question the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

Now, however, the masks have been dropped. The EU's decision on February 27 to begin supplying lethal weapons to the Ukrainian military is self-revealing. Marks the end of European integration as a "pacifist" project to reconcile European peoples after World War II. The EU finally sided with the Kiev regime, which unleashed a policy of genocide against part of its own population.

Without noticing it, in their anti-Russian actions in Brussels they slipped into the "newspeak" of John Orwell. They announced that they would "invest" in the war in Ukraine unleashed in 2014 through a mechanism with the telling name "European Peace Fund". To the "defensive" means, the EU leadership does not hesitate to include missile and small arms, ammunition and even combat aircraft.

The EU demonstrated what the rule of law really stands for in Europe by ignoring all eight criteria of its own "Common Position" of the EU Council "On the Definition of Common Rules for Export Controls of Military Technology and Equipment" 2008/944/CFSP of December 8, 2008, which expressly prohibits the supply of arms and military equipment from the EU in the following situations:

1. the country's non-compliance with international obligations (Kiev ignored its obligations under the Minsk Package of Measures, approved by UN Security Council Resolution 2202);
2. non-observance of human rights, including the risk of using the supplied weapons for internal repression (in the Donbass, Kiev committed genocide);
3. the armed conflict in the country of destination and the risks of its escalation due to the supply of weapons;
4. threats to regional peace, security and stability, including the possibility of armed conflict with a third country;
5. a risk to the national security of the EU countries (the supplied weapons can be used against the interests of the EU countries);
6. the policy of the acquiring country, including compliance with the principle of non-use of force, international humanitarian law, as well as the non-proliferation regime in the field of arms control (we do not believe that Kiev has exemplary fulfilled these obligations, including taking into account the well-known cases of "gray" schemes of arms trade from Ukraine);
7. the risk of the supplied weapons falling into the wrong hands, including terrorist organizations (given the uncontrolled distribution of weapons in Ukraine to the population, there is an almost guaranteed probability that eventually part of it will end up on the shadow market);
8. maintaining a balance between militarization and the economic development of the recipient country (we believe that Kiev should be more concerned with the Ukrainian economy, and not with the forceful suppression of dissenters).

EU citizens and structures involved in the supply of lethal weapons and fuel and lubricants to the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be responsible for any consequences of such actions in the context of an ongoing special military operation. They cannot but understand the extent of the danger of the consequences.

Another myth planted in the past by the EU members has also been finally dispelled – that their unilateral restrictions, which are illegitimate in international legal terms, are not directed against the Russian people. Brussels functionaries, who until recently portrayed themselves as a "strategic partner" of our country, no longer really hiding, say: they intend to inflict "maximum damage" on Russia, "hit the sore spots", "seriously destroy the economy" and "suppress the economic growth" of the country.

We want to assure you that it will not work. The actions of the European Union will not remain without a tough response. Russia will continue to ensure the realization of vital national interests without regard to sanctions and their threats. It is time for Western countries to understand that their unchallenged dominance in the global economy is long in the past.

An intriguing and very outspoken position from the Embassy, there, @Faz.

Question is 'for whose attention was it primarily intended - the Thai public at large, or specifically the EU element of the country's population?' . . . not very friendly, either way.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

This last verse in that statement may hold true, if China does not disavow what Russia has done, It is a scary scenario if China and Russia align.

Nope. It aint. The west can deal with both at the same time.

Bring it on if you think you are hard enough.

From the comfort of your couch of course. 

[Rookiescot]

20 minutes ago, Faz said:

Similar statement by the Russian Embassy, Thailand.
https://thailand.mid.ru/news/6341-zayavlenie-mid-rossii-o-roli-evrosoyuza-v-sobytiyakh-na-ukraine

For many years, the European Union, under the guise of a "peacemaker", generously financed the Kiev regime, which came to power as a result of an unconstitutional coup d'état. Silently watched the extermination of the population in the Donbass, the strangulation of Russian-language in Ukraine. The EU ignored our constant calls to pay attention to the dominance of the Nazis in the power of Ukraine, the socio-economic blockade and the murder of civilians in the south-east of the country. Having linked all prospects for relations with Russia with the implementation of the Minsk Package of Measures, nothing has been done to encourage Kiev to begin implementing its key elements. At the same time, they gave the Kiev authorities money and a visa-free regime. Anti-Russian sanctions were extended under dubious pretexts. They participated in performances staged by Kiev that call into question the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

Now, however, the masks have been dropped. The EU's decision on February 27 to begin supplying lethal weapons to the Ukrainian military is self-revealing. Marks the end of European integration as a "pacifist" project to reconcile European peoples after World War II. The EU finally sided with the Kiev regime, which unleashed a policy of genocide against part of its own population.

Without noticing it, in their anti-Russian actions in Brussels they slipped into the "newspeak" of John Orwell. They announced that they would "invest" in the war in Ukraine unleashed in 2014 through a mechanism with the telling name "European Peace Fund". To the "defensive" means, the EU leadership does not hesitate to include missile and small arms, ammunition and even combat aircraft.

The EU demonstrated what the rule of law really stands for in Europe by ignoring all eight criteria of its own "Common Position" of the EU Council "On the Definition of Common Rules for Export Controls of Military Technology and Equipment" 2008/944/CFSP of December 8, 2008, which expressly prohibits the supply of arms and military equipment from the EU in the following situations:

1. the country's non-compliance with international obligations (Kiev ignored its obligations under the Minsk Package of Measures, approved by UN Security Council Resolution 2202);
2. non-observance of human rights, including the risk of using the supplied weapons for internal repression (in the Donbass, Kiev committed genocide);
3. the armed conflict in the country of destination and the risks of its escalation due to the supply of weapons;
4. threats to regional peace, security and stability, including the possibility of armed conflict with a third country;
5. a risk to the national security of the EU countries (the supplied weapons can be used against the interests of the EU countries);
6. the policy of the acquiring country, including compliance with the principle of non-use of force, international humanitarian law, as well as the non-proliferation regime in the field of arms control (we do not believe that Kiev has exemplary fulfilled these obligations, including taking into account the well-known cases of "gray" schemes of arms trade from Ukraine);
7. the risk of the supplied weapons falling into the wrong hands, including terrorist organizations (given the uncontrolled distribution of weapons in Ukraine to the population, there is an almost guaranteed probability that eventually part of it will end up on the shadow market);
8. maintaining a balance between militarization and the economic development of the recipient country (we believe that Kiev should be more concerned with the Ukrainian economy, and not with the forceful suppression of dissenters).

EU citizens and structures involved in the supply of lethal weapons and fuel and lubricants to the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be responsible for any consequences of such actions in the context of an ongoing special military operation. They cannot but understand the extent of the danger of the consequences.

Another myth planted in the past by the EU members has also been finally dispelled – that their unilateral restrictions, which are illegitimate in international legal terms, are not directed against the Russian people. Brussels functionaries, who until recently portrayed themselves as a "strategic partner" of our country, no longer really hiding, say: they intend to inflict "maximum damage" on Russia, "hit the sore spots", "seriously destroy the economy" and "suppress the economic growth" of the country.

We want to assure you that it will not work. The actions of the European Union will not remain without a tough response. Russia will continue to ensure the realization of vital national interests without regard to sanctions and their threats. It is time for Western countries to understand that their unchallenged dominance in the global economy is long in the past.

Is anyone still listening to Russian embassies? 

[EdwardV]

6 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

This last verse in that statement may hold true, if China does not disavow what Russia has done, It is a scary scenario if China and Russia align.

Besides the fact Chinese banks have begin to cut off credit to Russian. The two counties have terminal demographics are not a long term worry in and of themselves. The problem comes what they do in the mean time. History has shown as counties collapse they lash out in an attempt to arrest the fall. Hence we have Russia invading Ukraine and China threatening to do so with Taiwan. 

[Thaidup]

5 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Besides the fact Chinese banks have begin to cut off credit to Russian. The two counties have terminal demographics are not a long term worry in and of themselves. The problem comes what they do in the mean time. History has shown as counties collapse they lash out in an attempt to arrest the fall. Hence we have Russia invading Ukraine and China threatening to do so with Taiwan.

Yes, exactly.

A worst case scenario would be if China and Russia became an "eastern coalition" with say North Korea and Iran against NATO.

[EdwardV]

13 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

Yes, exactly.

A worst case scenario would be if China and Russia became an "eastern coalition" with say North Korea and Iran against NATO.

That sounds more like subtraction by addition. 
 

China and Russia are frienemies. They are partners of convenience and not much more. They have had wars against each other, and a long history of distrust and hatred. They also have long memories. Keep in mind china just a year or two ago made a historical claim to Vladivostok, something that didn’t go over well in Moscow. As soon as there is no need for a so called partnership, one will turn on the other as they have done so many times in the past. As for North Korea, they bring nothing to the table but grasping hands and empty stomachs. Iran is pretty much the same except they have oil. 

[Fester]

2 hours ago, Thaidup said:

The Russian Embassy in Canada has issued a statement.

https://www.newyorknationalreview.com/state-of-affairs/embassy-statement-by-embassy-of-the-russian-federation-in-canada/

Right, I see.

[Fester]

51 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

That sounds more like subtraction by addition. 
 

China and Russia are frienemies. They are partners of convenience and not much more. They have had wars against each other, and a long history of distrust and hatred. They also have long memories. Keep in mind china just a year or two ago made a historical claim to Vladivostok, something that didn’t go over well in Moscow. As soon as there is no need for a so called partnership, one will turn on the other as they have done so many times in the past. As for North Korea, they bring nothing to the table but grasping hands and empty stomachs. Iran is pretty much the same except they have oil. 

Yep. That coalition might provide the final solution. 

[oldschooler]

On 3/4/2022 at 12:33 AM, Stardust said:

But you know the President of the Ukraine has jewish roots? To claim this government or him are anti semites is really not true or that he as a jew is an anti semit. Comon please.

Vigo indicated that the Ukrainian population (not present Govt) on certain areas,historically, have been strongly anti Semitic . Applies across all  Eastern Europe in fact.

Best to avoid ANY deflecting talk of nazism here as real but minor problem is just extreme nationalism, which exists in all countries amongst the less educated normally, being whipped up & used by Putin for Power retention.Old Trick by All Tyrants.

 

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Is anyone still listening to Russian embassies? 

Big problem for Russia is that, although this document might even contain some few elements of half- truth, rational people are SO used to Tyrant Countries Lying Like Breathing, that such statements are completely disregarded as presumed having Zero Source Credibility.

[Sparktrader]

Asshole NATO and asshole USA started this. Crazy lunatic asshole Putin escalated it into war. And now who dies? Ukrainian civilians, Ukrainian soldiers, and Russian kids that Putin sends to war.

One has to see beyond what the medias try to make one believe.

 

We must not forget that in the 1990s, Bush's secretary of state, James Baker, promised then Soviet premier Gorbachev, "not one inch eastward" referring to NATO. But ever since NATO has expanded non-stop, we've put Ukrainians in jeopardy ourselves, more so knowing what a madman is Putin. And now we pretend we care about Ukrainians by making a show on Sky News, yet Ukrainians are dying by the second. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by Sparktrader

[Fester]

3 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Asshole NATO and asshole USA started this. Crazy lunatic asshole Putin escalated it into war. And now who dies? Ukrainian civilians, Ukrainian soldiers, and Russian kids that Putin sends to war. 

One has to see beyond what the medias try to make one believe.

See how long this one lasts.

[Faz]

Number of off topic posts removed.

Topic is not about China, US or Taiwan.

[EdwardV]

5 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

We must not forget that in the 1990s, Bush's secretary of state, James Baker, promised then Soviet premier Gorbachev, "not one inch eastward" referring to NATO.

I’m not even going to pretend that isn’t true mostly because it is true. However it also needs to be kept in perspective. Baker never had the authority to make that promise and in fact got blasted by Bush for doing so. In addition the USSR was told that promise wasn’t valid. More importantly that promise was never included in the actual agreement the USSR signed. Not saying Russia doesn’t have an axe to grind and some legitimate concern over Ukraine. That said killing tens or hundreds of thousands isn’t going to fly. The repercussions of invading are all in Russia. Making up BS stories about Nazis and nuclear weapons doesn’t help Russia cause either. Pictures of crushed cities and civilian dead will just mean Russia will be an economic pariah for decades to come. 

[Sparktrader]

20 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

I’m not even going to pretend that isn’t true mostly because it is true. However it also needs to be kept in perspective. Baker never had the authority to make that promise and in fact got blasted by Bush for doing so. In addition the USSR was told that promise wasn’t valid. More importantly that promise was never included in the actual agreement the USSR signed. Not saying Russia doesn’t have an axe to grind and some legitimate concern over Ukraine. That said killing tens or hundreds of thousands isn’t going to fly. The repercussions of invading are all in Russia. Making up BS stories about Nazis and nuclear weapons doesn’t help Russia cause either. Pictures of crushed cities and civilian dead will just mean Russia will be an economic pariah for decades to come. 

Agreed. 

 

I guess nobody in the West until very recently expected Putin to be capable of doing this. Up until now he had been relatively fine and relations between the West and Russia were "cordial". But now he is just gone completely mad, nobody knows with what purpose, as the sanctions will indeed turn Russia into an economic pariah... And there is not much for him to get in Ukraine either... 

 

Some speculate, after some words from Senator Rubio in the US, that Putin may be terminally ill. And thus he doesn't care anymore about what happens to the world?

 

Hope this doesn't reach the nuclear stage.

[vlad]

It's getting difficult for Russian forces to press forward due mainly to Attacks on their convoy's fuel supplies so much so they are now having to hide their fuel trucks. On the Sanction front, it is getting hot for Mad Vlad as he has now come out and said Sanctions against Russia is Akin to a declaration of war.