News Forum - Putin sends ‘peacekeeping’ troops to Ukraine after recognising breakaway regions

[stevenkongju]

15 minutes ago, Stonker said:

I seldom give up on threads I'm interested in, but I think this might be one of those occasions.

Stay in the game!

[oldschooler]

11 minutes ago, Stonker said:

I don't want to go off topic much more than we already are, but while I don't know about Canada, even after reading some of the posts here I find it genuinely hard to believe anyone even here would think the US and UK have never invaded democratic countries or assassinated political opponents - or at least tried do.

I seldom give up on threads I'm interested in, but I think this might be one of those occasions.

West have never invaded or even fought other democracies.

US & France briefly killed foreign anti -west political leaders 1945-60.
UK never did. Just not their style.

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, 23RD said:

Seven day quarantine Steve (no wonder  you're making no sense Bud).

No but really you're making a call on a case that has never been in front of the British Courts and is highly unlikely to get a conviction due to the nature of the evidence. 

Now Bud not saying it didn't happen above my pay grade however it would never stand up to cross examination if it ever went to Court.

And as a footnote to The Moderators were talking about false flag operations with is well inside the scheme of maneuver of this topic. 

Non - existent, conspiracy theory false flag ops with zero evidence.

[Stonker]

9 minutes ago, stevenkongju said:

I have not said, at least I think I have not, that the US , UK or Canada have not made grave mistakes in past policies. There are questionable actions in Iran, Chile, Greece and others. That is true for sure. These actions can be argued and a defender of those policies may well lose.

But this thread was originally about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Am I mistaken?

I think we're in agreement .

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, 23RD said:

You don't a conviction but you're willing to condem possibly innocent People without due process?

And you call Vladimir Putin a Dictator Bud. 

I hope you get outta quarantine soon Bud you're in need of an afternoon in Soi 6 Pattaya. 

Suggest to stop using “Bud” ,every 4th word now, as it’s not a particularly smart look at all.detracts from your arguments big time. suggests limited education….. 

[23RD]

9 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Novichok is unique & produced & controlled tightly & exclusively by Russia only. Polonium used in London similarly traced back to a specific Russian reactor. GRU Russian Agents caught on camera in Salisbury and en route that day. When the implausible scenarios are all removed you are left with the truth. Western Criminal Conviction Standards Met in case of Russia. UK MI5 does NOT do that nasty shit anywhere & NEVER shits in its own nest ( UK). 

Just doing due diligence making sure nothing is missed I still think knowing The British Judicial system the case wouldn't be watertight.

I know the area very well in Salisbury from my time based in Tidworth it was if true not only a very badly conducted Operation and a massive overkill for a disident that wasn't really a high value target and had been in the UK for some time. 

But you never know what will come out in the future .

 

 

[Stonker]

24 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

UK MI5 does NOT do that nasty shit anywhere & NEVER shits in its own nest ( UK).

Well, 'MI5' may not but they're hardly the UK's sole security asset ... and the UK is MI6's "own nest" - 5's is overseas.

[stevenkongju]

29 minutes ago, Stonker said:

I have to add that I'm a bit perplexed by the caveat of "democratic countries", as if it's fine to invade a country just because you don't agree with their system of government and you want to impose your own !

I suppose I must answer that. The US invaded Iraq, non-democratic. They did not do so because it was non-democratic, but because they were invading other nations, ie. Kuwait. The US achieved its goal, and left.

 

That is one example. I suppose the real answer is, why did they invade, what did the get out of it, and how did the "invasion" affect the local populace?

There are many examples, and each must be defended or attacked on its own merit. I'd be happy to do so, and my arguments would not always favor "Western" action.

But again, this thread is about Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

[JohninDublin]

1 hour ago, stevenkongju said:

Lace Panty Wearin' Vlad Putin doesn't want Ukraine in NATO.  OK. But he will most likely be driving both Sweden and the Russia bordering Finland into NATO.

With all due respect, I am on your side, but the constant references to Putin's underwear make you look childish.

[JohninDublin]

1 hour ago, stevenkongju said:

When pollsters who tell the truth are silenced, it happens.

C'mon, that post was tongue in cheek, right?

I said "useful idiots" before. I'll amend that to "useless idiots".

You are in danger of getting this thread shut down. Please stop the personal abuse.

[stevenkongju]

4 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

With all due respect, I am on your side, but the constant references to Putin's underwear make you look childish.

It does. The reason I do it is because of Putin's Russia being so regressive i sexual matters, I know it pisses them off. Especially to have their masculine, shirtless leader mocked. But, I don't wnat this thread shut down, so I shall cease.

[stevenkongju]

6 minutes ago, JohninDublin said:

You are in danger of getting this thread shut down. Please stop the personal abuse.

And thank you for the good advice.

[oldschooler]

11 hours ago, Freeduhdumb said:

Your ignorance is dizzying. Do you really believe that other countries do not/have not engaged in this same behavior? Do you honestly believe those organizations like Mi5, Mi6, CIA etc. do not engage in this activity? You, like many others on this platform really have no idea what is actually going on with this ongoing conflict. Attempting to character assassinate Putin is an amateurish attempt to engage in this topic. Seriously dude... you, and those that have liked your comment, need to go do some serious research into the history of this conflict. 

They Don’t and haven’t done for over sixty years, with extremely rare exceptions, really bad guys too dangerous to be allowed to live. Putin murders or imprisons on “tax avoidance” ALL journalists, politicians, scientists, businesmen, etc posing even the slightest perceived threat. Too much scrutiny & whistleblowing for that in democracies. Far preferable to “turn” foreign spy type enemies.

Putin has long since assassinated his own character ! Obvious Tyrant & Thug.

Putin clearly the SOLE aggressor here.NATO & Ukraine responding correctly & Defensively. Defending Tyranny and supporting Russia’s (Putin) Invasion of Recognized ( flawed, yes) Democratic Free State, is reprehensible & not a good look here .

Russia (stupidly) allowed Ukraine & Georgia independence without first incorporating those disputed lands & demilitarizing those countries. NATO would be redundant if Russia were Free. Free Nations don’t attack each other.

NATO has rightly accepted other Free Nations formerly occupied & oppressed by Russia. Those nations are armed with defensive missiles. Nothing Surprising or Wrong There. Oh, Unfree Russia doesn’t like it TOUGH.or feels “ threatened” . NONSENSE. Russia has NOTHING we can’t just buy so ZERO NATO Invasion Risk. 

 

[stevenkongju]

I will get back to Putin's invasion of Ukraine now. In Putin's speech, did you watch it?, he criticized Stalin, Kruschev and even Lenin on their "introductions" of socialist republics. Putin is more of a czarist than a commie. Do you belive the Russian people want a Czar or a General Secretary?

Edited February 23, 2022 by Faz
removed quote.

[oldschooler]

54 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Well, 'MI5' may not but they're hardly the UK's sole security asset ... and the UK is MI6's "own nest" - 5's is overseas.

Other way around but yes should have said “MI5/ MI6”

[23RD]

2 minutes ago, stevenkongju said:

will get back to Putin's invasion of Ukraine now. In Putin's speech, did you watch it?, he criticized Stalin, Kruschev and even Lenin on their "introductions" of socialist republics.

Probably the reason the Left dislike him so much.

 

3 minutes ago, stevenkongju said:

Putin is more of a czarist than a commie. Do you belive the Russian people want a Czar or a General Secretary?

Definitely more off a Czarist and a good point the People that dislike Communism the most are the People who have lived under it.

[oldschooler]

3 minutes ago, stevenkongju said:

Yep, that is exactly what I am saying. Do you have issues with that?

I will get back to Putin's invasion of Ukraine now. In Putin's speech, did you watch it?, he criticized Stalin, Kruschev and even Lenin on their "introductions" of socialist republics. Putin is more of a czarist than a commie. Do you belive the Russian people want a Czar or a General Secretary?

unfortunately yes they do always want a “ strong leader” and have done for their entire sad history They have really no idea about democracy or they connect it with drunk Yeltsin and Foreign interference……

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, 23RD said:

Just doing due diligence making sure nothing is missed I still think knowing The British Judicial system the case wouldn't be watertight.

I know the area very well in Salisbury from my time based in Tidworth it was if true not only a very badly conducted Operation and a massive overkill for a disident that wasn't really a high value target and had been in the UK for some time. 

But you never know what will come out in the future .

UK Case here against Russian State would certainly pass the “beyond reasonable doubt” criminal case conviction test. Including “ what other plausible explanation ?” test !

[stevenkongju]

2 minutes ago, 23RD said:

8 minutes ago, stevenkongju said:

Putin is more of a czarist than a commie. Do you belive the Russian people want a Czar or a General Secretary?

Definitely more off a Czarist and a good point the People that dislike Communism the most are the People who have lived under it.

So help me with your angle. I shall admit, I am a 6th generation American, or there about, it doesn't matter. Are you a Brit? A Ukrainian Brit? A Kenyan Ukranian? An Italian Paraguayan?

Why the Putin love? Do you love Czarism? Is Peter the Great your hero too? How do you feel about Vyachaslov Molotov, Felicks Dzerzinski and Lavrenti Beria?

I am a Reaganite conservative Republican who voted for the pathetic Joe Biden because Trump was a national disgrace.

Who am I arguing with?

[Faz]

Topic was locked for a review of posts.

There are a number of members constantly tending to go off topic, as well as passions running high resulting in some personal derogatory comments likely to cause flaming. Agree to disagree civilly please.

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[Faz]

Hello people,
Just exactly what didn't you understand from my message an hour ago.  

1 hour ago, Faz said:

Topic was locked for a review of posts.

There are a number of members constantly tending to go off topic, as well as passions running high resulting in some personal derogatory comments likely to cause flaming. Agree to disagree civilly please.

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I've just removed every post and the replies as 'off topic' discussing Iraq and Saddam Hussain since I reopened the topic after my previous review, which by the way took so long due to 2 members receiving short holidays, so you may notice their absence for a few days.

It seems more warnings need to follow for continuing to post 'off topic' and failing to heed the advice of Admin. Keep an eye on your inboxes tomorrow morning gents.

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[Fester]

5 hours ago, 23RD said:

Check Putin in the polls compared to let's say Biden Trudeau or Johnson.

Hands down winner is ???

Trump. 

[Fester]

3 hours ago, stevenkongju said:

So help me with your angle. I shall admit, I am a 6th generation American, or there about, it doesn't matter. Are you a Brit? A Ukrainian Brit? A Kenyan Ukranian? An Italian Paraguayan?

Why the Putin love? Do you love Czarism? Is Peter the Great your hero too? How do you feel about Vyachaslov Molotov, Felicks Dzerzinski and Lavrenti Beria?

I am a Reaganite conservative Republican who voted for the pathetic Joe Biden because Trump was a national disgrace.

Who am I arguing with?

Trump. 

[Fester]

3 hours ago, stevenkongju said:

I will get back to Putin's invasion of Ukraine now. In Putin's speech, did you watch it?, he criticized Stalin, Kruschev and even Lenin on their "introductions" of socialist republics. Putin is more of a czarist than a commie. Do you belive the Russian people want a Czar or a General Secretary?

They want Trump! 

[1l1]

4 hours ago, oldschooler said:

unfortunately yes they do always want a “ strong leader” and have done for their entire sad history  

The main problem of russian community. Freethinkers (intelligentsia, businessmen, incl. rich peasants) were killed by bolsheviks in civil war (1917-1922) or forced to leave the country.

Putin's electorate is the Baby boomer gen. - children of those who survived the collectivization and WWII. They inherited the worldview of proletariat.

Gen.X is apolitical (except who is in public office).

Only Millennials are dissenting.

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by 1l1