Afghanistan Has Fallen

[mcambl61]

2 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

I am continually fascinated by people who are convinced Trump was an honest, well intentioned man, who was above corruption. He nearly sold the entire national park, recreational and wilderness system to the highest bidder, for the sake of raping pristine wilderness of timber, oil, gas, minerals and anything else they could find and haul out. He sold out the US to China, by failing in his pathetic trade war. He kissed Kim's butt continuously, in a humiliating display of foolish naivety. He suckled on Putin like there was no tomorrow. He was absolutely unwilling to criticize or hold accountable MBS for his serial killing antics. He was a very weak politician. And a major loser. 

In reality, all he did was replace the existing 7 foot alligators with 14 foot crocodiles. The corruption in his administration was a rampant, a sheer nightmare for America. 

I am constantly amazed at the rabid hatred of the leftists that keeps making up the ridiculous claims that you have just made. 

 

Pure unfounded blather by yet another forum trump derangement sufferer. 

 

Of all the ridiculous fairy tales that you lot still believe, without a shred of corroborated evidence. 

 

But we know that Biden is a career corrupt political hack and his drug addict son has taken millions from hostile foreign governments. That is a PROVEN fact. 

 

But you keep trying sunshine, trump derangement syndrome is tough to get over if you are a rabid leftist. 

 

[vlad]

Why has this thread ended up like most we see on TV American members blaming American Politics and who blamed who. The Topic is Afghan has fallen not who caused it. We should be posting how will it end now the Taliban has control who will reporting on human right violations Genocide etc not it was Trumps fault its Bidens fault and all the other cut n paste Tosh that starts to appear on American politics. Its about Afghanistan not America.

[mcambl61]

15 minutes ago, gummy said:

Love the picture of the two of them on a horse. Possibly trotting off for a bit of watersports

 

[gummy]

Just now, vlad said:

Why has this thread ended up like most we see on TV American members blaming American Politics and who blamed who. The Topic is Afghan has fallen not who caused it. We should be posting how will it end now the Taliban has control who will reporting on human right violations Genocide etc not it was Trumps fault its Bidens fault and all the other cut n paste Tosh that starts to appear on American politics. Its about Afghanistan not America.

You have to accept that these sort of replies I would suspect are by Americans that goes someway to explain the confrontational aspects of their culture .

[Fester]

2 hours ago, Fluke said:

The USA failed in its 20 years quest to bring democracy to Afghanistan .

Failed to build an army that could keep the Talibann at bay .

Its a 20 year failure , not any one persons fault 

The orignal mission was not to bring democracy to Afghanistan.

Failed to build an army that could keep the Taliban at bay - true but difficult when the so-called Afghan leaders siphon off so much (donated) cash so that the army is not paid. Many army and police also join in in the hope of other free handouts and benefits.

Its a 20 year failure , not any one persons fault - true but the fault of some is much more than others. Regarding withrawal, it was going on for years. Most of the buildup (and down) was done under Obama (the surge):

https://i.dawn.com/primary/2020/10/5f7f8869c725d.jpg

But Biden has to accept responsibility this finale. He has scrapped or reversed multiple Trump orders and policies but did nothing with this one. Why not? He messed it up completely and disastrously.  

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Fester

[longwood50]

18 minutes ago, Stonker said:

That simply wasn't possible with Afghanistan, though, at least not post 2000 - it could have been during the 1990's, but the US took its eye off the ball.

Perhaps but with respect to nation building, the Russians tried it with the Soviet Union and it eventually fell apart.  They tried it in Afghanistan and just like the USA, if fell apart.  The USA propped up the Shah of Iran and even at one point Saddam Hussein when he was fighting Iraq.   

First off it is a misguided notion that "democracy" is the best for every country.  Democracy is essentially mob rule, and tyranny of the masses.  For a Democracy to truly be an effective form of government you need an educated populace and the a free press to inform.  I am pretty well convinced that doesn't happen anymore in the USA let alone in a third world country.  Using Iraq as an example, Saddam Huissein was not a nice person but he ruled pretty effectively using brute force which is what that unruly population required.  

The British tried to nation build in the USA and were kicked out, As a matter of fact, there are only 22 nations in the world that the British did not send an invading army into.  Using Vietnam as an example, the USA tried for 2 decades and finally left with its South Vietnam regime run over. The French tried it also in Vietnam for a decade1946 - 1954 

Bottom line, you can not impose your culture on another country nor can you control a region if a significant portion of the population is hostile to your presence.  I can recall that the Bush Administration thought in Iraq the USA would be cheered as liberators.   They may have not liked Saddam Hussein but they hated the USA even more. 

[mcambl61]

22 minutes ago, gummy said:

You have to accept that these sort of replies I would suspect are by Americans that goes someway to explain the confrontational aspects of their culture .

You won't get confrontation, if you don't post tds nonsense. 

 

But you can't help yourself. 

[billyburi]

1 hour ago, vlad said:

America did not win WW2 longwood50 They came in 2 years after it started, many commonwealth Country's joined into defeat the Reich not America alone.

and of course Russia, 7 out of every 10 Germans fought on the Eastern front. 

Edited August 17, 2021 by billyburi
Coffee spill....

[vlad]

32 minutes ago, gummy said:

You have to accept that these sort of replies I would suspect are by Americans that goes someway to explain the confrontational aspects of their culture .

I accept that Gummy but the topic is about Afghanistan not who blamed who.

[Smithydog]

2 hours ago, mcambl61 said:

Actually smithy, you are obviously in the trump derangement syndrome camp that deems him the worst thing since Satan. It is irrational and seated in hatred. 

 

 

Taunts to me just waste good debating space on a post! But they did give me a good laugh, so thank you for that.

 You may like to just check some comments of mine that may not be in line with your subjective appraisal of me. For example, I said this about President Biden.

 “I actually do think Biden and his administration on this one issue have stuffed up.”

And on another post:

 “Personally, I feel President Biden has to accept a level of responsibility. After all, wasn't it a predecessor of his, Harry Truman, that had the sign on his desk "The Buck Stops Here".

I also said this about former President Trump

 “As to his policies, some I agree with and some I don't. A simple as that!”

But perhaps you missed those in the crossover of posts. However, if my lack of 100% obedience to the Trump Message Plan puts me in the so called "trump derangement syndrome camp", then well so be it. I'll sleep ok.

 

 

[longwood50]

20 minutes ago, Fester said:

The orignal mission was not to bring democracy to Afghanistan.

The original mission was for Bush to pound his chest and show his father that he could prosecute a war better than Bush Sr. did in Iraq.   Bush used the 9/11 trade center attack as justification saying Afghanistan was a terrorist training ground.  Of the hijackers 15 were Saudi, 2 United Arab Emirates, 1 Egyptian and 1 Lebanese.  None were known to have been trained in Afghanistan.  One thing for sure, if Afghans were not inclined to hate the USA and become terrorists before, they sure do now. 

As for nation building, do you think that Karzai was not selected by the USA to "nation build" 

The USA attempted to do the same thing with the Shah in Iran, Ngo, Dinh Diem in Vietnam,  Noriega in Panama, and a numerous list of other attempts at "nation building"  or you could term it regime change. 

[Stonker]

5 minutes ago, longwood50 said:

Perhaps but with respect to nation building, the Russians tried it with the Soviet Union and it eventually fell apart.  They tried it in Afghanistan and just like the USA, if fell apart.  The USA propped up the Shah of Iran and even at one point Saddam Hussein when he was fighting Iraq.   

First off it is a misguided notion that "democracy" is the best for every country.  Democracy is essentially mob rule, and tyranny of the masses.  For a Democracy to truly be an effective form of government you need an educated populace and the a free press to inform.  I am pretty well convinced that doesn't happen anymore in the USA let alone in a third world country.  Using Iraq as an example, Saddam Huissein was not a nice person but he ruled pretty effectively using brute force which is what that unruly population required.  

The British tried to nation build in the USA and were kicked out, As a matter of fact, there are only 22 nations in the world that the British did not send an invading army into.  Using Vietnam as an example, the USA tried for 2 decades and finally left with its South Vietnam regime run over. The French tried it also in Vietnam for a decade1946 - 1954 

Bottom line, you can not impose your culture on another country nor can you control a region if a significant portion of the population is hostile to your presence.  I can recall that the Bush Administration thought in Iraq the USA would be cheered as liberators.   They may have not liked Saddam Hussein but they hated the USA even more. 

Agree with you 100%, (although I'd suggest the Iraqis are divided rather than "unruly") but what I'm suggesting is that "nation building" and "regime change" doesn't necessarily have to be about imposing "your" culture.

The problem in Afghanistan was that the only solutions available were warlords or Taliban, so they went for Taliban as nothing else was on offer.

[Stonker]

On 8/16/2021 at 6:59 AM, mcambl61 said:

Ask yourself why the us government did not negotiate a airbase located in a neighboring country for a duration to protect the draw down.

OK.

Because no neighbouring country would have agreed, and if for the sake of argument they had then what could air cover have done?

 

Shot up the Taliban as they drove into Kabul without firing a shot?

 

Shot up the civilians at the airport to stop them mobbing the departing aircraft?

 

What, exactly?

[Fester]

13 minutes ago, longwood50 said:

The original mission was for Bush to pound his chest and show his father that he could prosecute a war better than Bush Sr. did in Iraq.   Bush used the 9/11 trade center attack as justification saying Afghanistan was a terrorist training ground.  Of the hijackers 15 were Saudi, 2 United Arab Emirates, 1 Egyptian and 1 Lebanese.  None were known to have been trained in Afghanistan.  One thing for sure, if Afghans were not inclined to hate the USA and become terrorists before, they sure do now. 

As for nation building, do you think that Karzai was not selected by the USA to "nation build" 

The USA attempted to do the same thing with the Shah in Iran, Ngo, Dinh Diem in Vietnam,  Noriega in Panama, and a numerous list of other attempts at "nation building"  or you could term it regime change. 

 

Pound his chest? OK I don't remember reading that.

You are so knowledgeable. I'm in awe - or hee haw, whatever.

[mcambl61]

14 minutes ago, Smithydog said:

Taunts to me just waste good debating space on a post! But they did give me a good laugh, so thank you for that.

 You may like to just check some comments of mine that may not be in line with your subjective appraisal of me. For example, I said this about President Biden.

 “I actually do think Biden and his administration on this one issue have stuffed up.”

And on another post:

 “Personally, I feel President Biden has to accept a level of responsibility. After all, wasn't it a predecessor of his, Harry Truman, that had the sign on his desk "The Buck Stops Here".

I also said this about former President Trump

 “As to his policies, some I agree with and some I don't. A simple as that!”

But perhaps you missed those in the crossover of posts. However, if my lack of 100% obedience to the Trump Message Plan puts me in the so called "trump derangement syndrome camp", then well so be it. I'll sleep ok.

No "taunts" at all. 

 

Just responding to your obvious disdain for the president. 

 

"Honestly, trying to win believers by repeating the same lists of the same or similar sentences over and over again is not going to prove anything except that you have either read from the Trump playbook" 

 

I find it amazing that you can defend career politicians that have failed so many countries for so long, and that you think that a person who has never been part of the massively corrupt machine is part of the problem. 

 

You said Biden has failed "on this one issue" so you think his horrible border disaster is not a failure? His reckless intention for spending is not a failure? 

 

He's had a career of failures but has enriched him and his family greatly. We have proven corruption and it is ignored by the media and their democrat handlers. Astonishing what you can get away with when you are in the right political party. 

 

He will go down as the worst president in history, taking over from Jimmy and the Obamanation. 

 

Governments have become the primary problem. They are unacceptable and unaccountable. 

[9S_]

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

I am continually fascinated by people who are convinced Trump was an honest, well intentioned man, who was above corruption

After graduating from college Hunter Biden secured a six figure gig at a credit card firm while his father was drafting legislation about credit card consumers

While Joe was VP, his brother secured a $1 Billion contract to build houses in Iraq

While Joe was VP, his brother was also the one contracted by the government to build cages along the southern US border

While tens of thousands of young black men were locked up in prison for decades for the same crimes his son commits, carrying and smoking crack cocaine, his son Hunter never spent a day in Jail

While Joe was point man in Ukraine, he point black threatened to withhold federal foreign aid unless a prosecutor who was investigating his son was fired

Hunter Biden who has no experience in energy managed to secure a job with Burisma while his father was Obama’s point man in Ukraine relations

Hunter Biden also received nearly $5 million transfer from the mayor of Moscow for some reason. 

Joe Bidens brother killed a father, ran away and to this refused to pay any civil damages claiming he doesn’t earn any money despite working for his brothers presidential campaign 

Joe Biden is friends with former KKK members in the democrat senate

Joe Biden is the primary author of the 1994 Crime Bill which skyrocketed black incarceration and sending tens of thousands of young black men to prison for decades for carrying small amounts of cocaine

Joe Biden allegedly raped Tara Reade. Her mother called into CNN asking for advice .

Joe Biden is a known creep, known as “Creepy Uncle Joe” for groping children and wives on live TV

Joe Biden is a known plagiarizer and liar. Lying about his educational background and past experiences. His lying derailed his previous presidential elections  

Robert Gates, former CIA Director and Department of Defense stated that Joe Biden has been wrong on every single foreign policy decision in the last 40 years

For perspective Joe Biden was US Senator during the Fall of Saigon

 

[longwood50]

15 minutes ago, 9S_ said:

While Joe was VP, his brother

You missed this one. But then again there are so many in this crime family. 

Joe Biden's Brother Frank

 

n late March 2009, Vice President Joe Biden landed in Costa Rica aboard Air Force Two, and went to the Costa Rican presidential palace for a one-on-one with President Oscar Arias. The Biden visit had symbolic significance. The last time a high-ranking American official had visited the country was back in 1997, when Bill Clinton had come.

Joe Biden’s trip to Costa Rica came at a fortuitous time for his brother Frank, who was busy working deals in the country. Just months after Vice President Biden’s visit, in August, Costa Rica News announced a new multilateral partnership “to reform Real Estate in Latin America” among Frank Biden, a developer named Craig Williamson, and the Guanacaste Country Club, a newly planned resort. The partnership, which appears to be ongoing, was wrapped in a beautiful package as a “call on resources available to the companies and individuals to reform the social, economic and environmental practices of real estate developers across the world by example.”

In real terms, Frank’s dream was to build in the jungles of Costa Rica thousands of homes, a world-class golf course, casinos, and an anti-aging center. The Costa Rican government was eager to cooperate with the vice president’s brother.

As it happened, Joe Biden had been asked by President Obama to act as the administration’s point man in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Frank’s vision for a country club in Costa Rica received support from the highest levels of the Costa Rican government — despite his lack of experience in building such developments. He met with the Costa Rican ministers of education and energy and environment, as well as the president of the country.

On Oct. 4, 2016, the Costa Rican Ministry of Public Education signed a letter of intent with Frank’s company, Sun Fund Americas. The project involved allowing a company called GoSolar to operate solar power facilities in Costa Rica. The previous year, the Obama-Biden administration’s OPIC had authorized a $6.5 million taxpayer-backed loan for the project.

In June 2014, Vice President Biden announced the launch of the Caribbean Energy Security Initiative (CESI). The program called for increasing access to financing for Caribbean energy projects that he strongly supported. American taxpayer dollars were dedicated to facilitating deals that matched US government financing with local energy projects in Caribbean countries, including Jamaica. In January 2015, USAID announced that it would be spending $10 million to boost renewable energy projects in Jamaica over the next five years.

After Joe Biden brought together leaders for CESI, brother Frank’s firm Sun Fund Americas announced that it was “engaged in projects and is in negotiations with governments of other countries in the [Caribbean] region for both its Solar and Waste to Energy development services.” As if to push the idea along, the Obama administration’s OPIC provided a $47.5 million loan to support the construction of a 20-megawatt solar facility in Clarendon, Jamaica.

Frank Biden’s Sun Fund Americas later announced that it had signed a power purchase agreement to build a 20-megawatt solar facility in Jamaica.


"Quid Pro Quo Joe"
 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by longwood50

[9S_]

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

He sold out the US to China

No that was Obama/Biden. Trump brought back manufacturing to the US. Renegotiated trade deals that will benefit the American people. In fact he was the only president in recent decades to confront the Chinese. 
 

Joe Biden affectionately calls Xi Jinping his “dear friend” and bragged about his close relationship with the CCP leader. 
 

When the Chinese occupied contested territorial waters in the South China Sea, it Joe who negotiated with our allies to stand down, promising that China would also stand down. After our allies stood down, China reneged on the deal and now you have fortified artificial islands across the South China Sea 

 

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

He suckled on Putin like there was no tomorrow.

He initiated sanctions against any company that would construct the Nord Stream pipeline from Russia to Germany. When Biden assumed office he allowed Russia to go forward with the new pipeline thereby enriching Putin. 
 

Trump also sent lethal aid to Ukraine including anti-tank missiles and mortars and weapons. Biden opposed this when he was VP and only sent blankets and canned food

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

He was absolutely unwilling to criticize or hold accountable MBS

MBS was a known foreign spy. Trump didn’t kill him the Saudis did. What was Bidens response when ISIS ravaged through the Middle East, massacring the Yazidis and beheading a western journalist??

 

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

The corruption in his administration was a rampant, a sheer nightmare for America. 

Nightmare? Unprecedented record on low unemployment, record breaking stock gains, lowest gas prices for months, no new wars, defeating ISIS, taking out Iranian terrorist masterminds. Job well done in my opinion. 

 

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

He nearly sold the entire national park, recreational and wilderness system to the highest bidder, for the sake of raping pristine wilderness of timber, oil, gas, minerals and anything else they could find and haul out

Biden cancelled all permits and closing all national oil production. Result? Higher gas prices. He begged OPEC foreign oil producers to spit out more, they refused. 

[dmacarelli]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

I am constantly amazed at the rabid hatred of the leftists that keeps making up the ridiculous claims that you have just made. 

Pure unfounded blather by yet another forum trump derangement sufferer. 

Of all the ridiculous fairy tales that you lot still believe, without a shred of corroborated evidence. 

But we know that Biden is a career corrupt political hack and his drug addict son has taken millions from hostile foreign governments. That is a PROVEN fact. 

But you keep trying sunshine, trump derangement syndrome is tough to get over if you are a rabid leftist. 

 

I hope and pray that Trump becomes less relevant over time. After all, few like a loser, and he has literally redefined what losing means. Nearly anything with Trump's name on it, and his association with it, fails. And that will be even more so, now that he has left the White House. His name will remain radioactive, the the rest of his life, and the mini empire will continue to dwindle. He lost 17 major businesses. He lost 19 merchandising deals, since being elected. He lost the trade war with China, and the negotiations with Kim. He lost the presidential election, lost more than 60 legal challenges to the result, lost his bid to overturn the electoral college, lost control of the Senate and lost an impeachment trial 43-57, though he was spared conviction on a technicality. With the latest Supreme Court decision, Trump lost yet again – with potentially far-reaching consequences. What part of being a loser don't his supporters understand?

In the 2020 election, Trump and his party lost control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives.
“That has not happened in a single four years under a president since [former President] Herbert Hoover,”

The supreme court rejected an attempt by his lawyers to block Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan district attorney (DA) in New York, from enforcing a subpoena to obtain eight years of his personal and corporate tax records.

McConnell at least showed some moral fiber by speaking the truth. Trump wanted Pence to be whacked. Some sense of loyalty, this orange stain showed.

Hitch your wagon to a charlatan, a liar, a psychopath. The future of the GOP is bleak. The GOP senate will do anything to avoid losing those potential 74 million votes. Integrity, honor, courage, grace, patriotism? All missing. Hedging their bets, over doing the right thing? Zombie souls.

Corporate America is adding its weight in response to the insurgency at the Capitol building on January 6, and are pulling out from any association with the Trump brand after the storming of the capitol incidentwhich economists say will have a profound medium and long-term effect on his business interests. Recently, Signature Bank closed Trump’s personal accounts and the PGA of America stopped plans to hold its 2022 championship at Mr. Trump’s New Jersey golf course.

Such a parting of ways signals the business community’s weariness in being associated with a political figure that has attracted worldwide attention and is indicative of what may happen to the Trump brand. The president’s role in the incident, confirmed by his impeachment by the House this week, has gained criticism from the Business Roundtable to the AFL-CIO labour federation.

Michael D’Antonio, the author of a Trump biography, says the capitol incident has been a game-changer for the support of extreme politics.

“Trump’s name is really an albatross. He is the most disgraced president in history. This is a person who’s synonymous with a mob attacking the US Capitol. I just think this went a step too far.”

Other experts like Tim Calkins, a marketing professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management, say Trump’s brand will inevitably suffer long-term.

“Before his term, Trump stood for wealth, success and over-the-top luxury. Now the brand has associations with anti-government views, racism and extremism. This makes the brand fairly toxic.”

Let us hope his brand continues to diminish, his name continues to spiral into oblivion, his empire continues to dwindle, and his family continues to become less relevant by the day. I do not wish ill on many people. However, after four years of human wrecking ball behavior, chaos, the spread of Covid (which could have been largely contained in the US, had he been a responsible leader and citizen), the destructive trade war with China, his losses with Kim and Putin, countless foreign policy blunders, his sycophantic behavior with the murderous MBS, and his continual upheaval, the fake law and order nonsense, the fake electoral fraud nonsense, his lack of loyalty to his nation, and his efforts to start both a civil and a cultural war, I do not have any kind feelings towards this man, or his family, and do not wish them well, on any level. I am thrilled he is gone. There is an adult leading America now. A capable man of dignity, kindness, generosity of spirit, and grace.
 

 

 

 

[longwood50]

47 minutes ago, Fester said:

Pound his chest? OK I don't remember reading that.

Checkmate

[dmacarelli]

40 minutes ago, 9S_ said:

After graduating from college Hunter Biden secured a six figure gig at a credit card firm while his father was drafting legislation about credit card consumers

While Joe was VP, his brother secured a $1 Billion contract to build houses in Iraq

While Joe was VP, his brother was also the one contracted by the government to build cages along the southern US border

While tens of thousands of young black men were locked up in prison for decades for the same crimes his son commits, carrying and smoking crack cocaine, his son Hunter never spent a day in Jail

While Joe was point man in Ukraine, he point black threatened to withhold federal foreign aid unless a prosecutor who was investigating his son was fired

Hunter Biden who has no experience in energy managed to secure a job with Burisma while his father was Obama’s point man in Ukraine relations

Hunter Biden also received nearly $5 million transfer from the mayor of Moscow for some reason. 

Joe Bidens brother killed a father, ran away and to this refused to pay any civil damages claiming he doesn’t earn any money despite working for his brothers presidential campaign 

Joe Biden is friends with former KKK members in the democrat senate

Joe Biden is the primary author of the 1994 Crime Bill which skyrocketed black incarceration and sending tens of thousands of young black men to prison for decades for carrying small amounts of cocaine

Joe Biden allegedly raped Tara Reade. Her mother called into CNN asking for advice .

Joe Biden is a known creep, known as “Creepy Uncle Joe” for groping children and wives on live TV

Joe Biden is a known plagiarizer and liar. Lying about his educational background and past experiences. His lying derailed his previous presidential elections  

Robert Gates, former CIA Director and Department of Defense stated that Joe Biden has been wrong on every single foreign policy decision in the last 40 years

For perspective Joe Biden was US Senator during the Fall of Saigon

 

 

Trump is a man of deceit, foul play, a traitor to his nation, and a man so lacking in compassion, character, allegiance, loyalty, kindness, generosity, fidelity, heart and soul. He is morally bankrupt. His ex associates know that. The thousands of small contractors who have sued him for money owed know that. There is no doubt that Trump is the opposite of a patriot, there is no doubt that Trump is a coward and a traitor, who will sell out his nation to despotic dictators, and who will deny aid to faithful allies. Thankfully the orange stain was gloriously ushered out of Washington to a life of humiliation, a completely radioactive name that nobody in their right mind is ever going to want to touch, and a crumbling mini empire. That is just what he deserves, that is what he's worked hard for and that is something that the world will celebrate. There is no honor in his game.

Only the most ardent supporters of this man will continue to defend him in the face of these accusations. They are totally in character with who the man is and virtually everything we know about him. They are in character with many statements that he's made about John McCain who was a genuine American hero, and quite a few other generals and military Intelligence people, who have worked for him.

This is a man who dodged the draft on five occasions, did everything in his power to avoid serving his nation at a time his nation asked for his service, and out of a sense of embarrassment, shame or just pure hubris, he continues to insult demean, and lack support for the men and women who put themselves in harm's way, to protect the nation. 

Then there are the 125 environmental rules and safeguards that Trump weakened or rolled back in his time in office. Only 17 of the 89 that were legally challenged have received rulings in favor. The Tongass National Forest in Alaska was about to be opened to logging, and he also weakened the Clean Air Act and the Endangered Species Act.

America has the best National park system on the planet. The parks, forests, and recreational areas are second to none, and need to be protected. It is astonishing. I have been to dozens of these areas, and they are truly amazing. Today there are four major federal agencies that manage around 610 million acres of public land held by the U.S. government: Bureau of Land Management (BLM): 248 million acres or 10.5 percent of all land in the country. U.S. Forest Service (USFS): 193 million acres or 8.5 percent of the country.
 
https://www.outsideonline.com/2420177/biden-protect-environment-plan
 
“There’s a quiet, almost covert, effort to dismantle the public lands management infrastructure,” said Jim Lyons, who was Deputy Assistant Secretary for Land and Minerals Management at the Interior Department in the Obama administration. “It’s very effective. I call it evil genius.”
 
https://e360.yale.edu/features/open-for-business-the-trump-revolution-on-public-lands

 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by dmacarelli

[NCC1701A]

those of you wanting to follow President Trump directly since he has been banned on Twitter but the Taliban  have not can use the Telegram app.  

[MrStretch]

4 hours ago, mcambl61 said:

Yes, it's the DC apparatus fault, all parts of the corrupt political establishment and the swamp that feeds off of it. 

Completely disagree.

It was the fault of the Afghanis.  If their society and organizations weren't so completely riddled with corruption, then an Army might have been built.

The failure on the part of the Americans, as well as the Russians, the British and everyone else dating back to Alexander the Great is that no one has determined a way for the tribes of Afghanistan to live in harmony and for the better good of their so-called country.

Place the blame where it lies, in the hearts and minds of the Afghanis.

Blame the Americans for wasting 20 years of their blood, sweat and money, but the Taliban takeover should not be laid at their feet.

[mcambl61]

5 minutes ago, MrStretch said:

Completely disagree.

It was the fault of the Afghanis.  If their society and organizations weren't so completely riddled with corruption, then an Army might have been built.

The failure on the part of the Americans, as well as the Russians, the British and everyone else dating back to Alexander the Great is that no one has determined a way for the tribes of Afghanistan to live in harmony and for the better good of their so-called country.

Place the blame where it lies, in the hearts and minds of the Afghanis.

Blame the Americans for wasting 20 years of their blood, sweat and money, but the Taliban takeover should not be laid at their feet.

The waste is precisely what I was referring to. 

[mcambl61]

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

I hope and pray that Trump becomes less relevant over time. After all, few like a loser, and he has literally redefined what losing means. Nearly anything with Trump's name on it, and his association with it, fails. And that will be even more so, now that he has left the White House. His name will remain radioactive, the the rest of his life, and the mini empire will continue to dwindle. He lost 17 major businesses. He lost 19 merchandising deals, since being elected. He lost the trade war with China, and the negotiations with Kim. He lost the presidential election, lost more than 60 legal challenges to the result, lost his bid to overturn the electoral college, lost control of the Senate and lost an impeachment trial 43-57, though he was spared conviction on a technicality. With the latest Supreme Court decision, Trump lost yet again – with potentially far-reaching consequences. What part of being a loser don't his supporters understand?

In the 2020 election, Trump and his party lost control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives.
“That has not happened in a single four years under a president since [former President] Herbert Hoover,”

The supreme court rejected an attempt by his lawyers to block Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan district attorney (DA) in New York, from enforcing a subpoena to obtain eight years of his personal and corporate tax records.

McConnell at least showed some moral fiber by speaking the truth. Trump wanted Pence to be whacked. Some sense of loyalty, this orange stain showed.

Hitch your wagon to a charlatan, a liar, a psychopath. The future of the GOP is bleak. The GOP senate will do anything to avoid losing those potential 74 million votes. Integrity, honor, courage, grace, patriotism? All missing. Hedging their bets, over doing the right thing? Zombie souls.

Corporate America is adding its weight in response to the insurgency at the Capitol building on January 6, and are pulling out from any association with the Trump brand after the storming of the capitol incidentwhich economists say will have a profound medium and long-term effect on his business interests. Recently, Signature Bank closed Trump’s personal accounts and the PGA of America stopped plans to hold its 2022 championship at Mr. Trump’s New Jersey golf course.

Such a parting of ways signals the business community’s weariness in being associated with a political figure that has attracted worldwide attention and is indicative of what may happen to the Trump brand. The president’s role in the incident, confirmed by his impeachment by the House this week, has gained criticism from the Business Roundtable to the AFL-CIO labour federation.

Michael D’Antonio, the author of a Trump biography, says the capitol incident has been a game-changer for the support of extreme politics.

“Trump’s name is really an albatross. He is the most disgraced president in history. This is a person who’s synonymous with a mob attacking the US Capitol. I just think this went a step too far.”

Other experts like Tim Calkins, a marketing professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management, say Trump’s brand will inevitably suffer long-term.

“Before his term, Trump stood for wealth, success and over-the-top luxury. Now the brand has associations with anti-government views, racism and extremism. This makes the brand fairly toxic.”

Let us hope his brand continues to diminish, his name continues to spiral into oblivion, his empire continues to dwindle, and his family continues to become less relevant by the day. I do not wish ill on many people. However, after four years of human wrecking ball behavior, chaos, the spread of Covid (which could have been largely contained in the US, had he been a responsible leader and citizen), the destructive trade war with China, his losses with Kim and Putin, countless foreign policy blunders, his sycophantic behavior with the murderous MBS, and his continual upheaval, the fake law and order nonsense, the fake electoral fraud nonsense, his lack of loyalty to his nation, and his efforts to start both a civil and a cultural war, I do not have any kind feelings towards this man, or his family, and do not wish them well, on any level. I am thrilled he is gone. There is an adult leading America now. A capable man of dignity, kindness, generosity of spirit, and grace.
 

Blather alert, but then again, you ignore proven corrupt acts by the Biden crime family. 

 

Proven. With actual electronic forensic evidence and eye witness testimony. 

 

But you keep trying sunshine.