I Am Ashamed of the UK

[cowslip]

10 minutes ago, SkipsPa said:

I don't think we should have joined in the first place!

Because things were so good back then?

[23RD]

Very disturbing this Left wing lunatic could become an MP after some of his previous comments.

 

[CROUCHIE]

On 11/12/2023 at 2:29 AM, oldschooler said:

All grossly selective and out of context. If talking economic not political integration then fine. We did that.
However, it was that Democracy was imposed on the defeated Fascist Germany & Italy and across all Western Europe by UK / US, and NATO formed, by those same above Politicians, against the Soviet Menace, that ensured European Peace.

Democracies don’t war on each other. No EU Required for that. Those weakened Democracies needed Serious Protection. Hello NATO. Again the EU not required nor fit for purpose. Basically it was the English Speaking Peoples protecting the compelled democratic weak Europeans….. and still is ffs….

European “ Family”  a non- existent myth. Europe THE most violent region for thousands of years until UK Defeated Napoleon 1815.Then again with the two World Wars.

Family ? Never. Some Shared Cultural Scientific Trade Education Affinity & Joit Development, yes certainly.
UK & European jointly scientists discovered nuclear energy for example. UK First to Industrialise though…..

British Advanced Civilised Culture has little in common with Backward Muslim Albania or Bosnia or Russified Bulgaria or goat herding Greeks, for example. Those places are closer to Muslim Asia in mindset.

EU resembles the defunct League of Nations and UN. Another failed ineffectual international experiment.

It was Capitalism and US Generosity that restored Western Europe €after WW2 and lifted Europeans “out of Poverty” not EU ! Recall an Italian colleague telling me how “ everything doubled in price” in Italy after the disastrous Euro introduced. Thankfully UK Opted Out of Euro as with Schengen….. 

The EU is all very well in theory; the right to travel, work, play etc. etc. I know a few UK dentists who were unable to live and work in France. The bureaucracy was horrendous, and in the end, a brick wall. Another friend is a pharmacist married to a Frenchman. In 15 years she has been unable to get registered. Documents are "lost", officials ignore her or just shrug, and delays are interminable! Brexit happened because Europe is an unwieldy, bureaucratic juggernaut with 27 countries that are racist.

[cowslip]

1 hour ago, CROUCHIE said:

The EU is all very well in theory; the right to travel, work, play etc. etc. I know a few UK dentists who were unable to live and work in France. The bureaucracy was horrendous, and in the end, a brick wall. Another friend is a pharmacist married to a Frenchman. In 15 years she has been unable to get registered. Documents are "lost", officials ignore her or just shrug, and delays are interminable! Brexit happened because Europe is an unwieldy, bureaucratic juggernaut with 27 countries that are racist.

In fact Brexit has meant a huge increase in bureaucracy for the UK.

The fact that you only can anecdotally cite only one country shows how blinkered your perception of Europe actually is.

I really can't get over how dumb and parochial  brexiteers are.

[ubangowlfarang]

On 11/10/2023 at 2:28 PM, PhuketBloke said:

It is the best thing we ever did, we had the guts to leave an unelected undemocratic union that imposed its mad social rules on us, I can imagine quite a few other countries want to leave but do not have the guts to do it.

There will be some financial costs to pay initially as is the case in any new move eg setting up a new business but I am proud of the Brits (Well it was the English and the Welsh really) for voting to leave as I did. 

 UK could just be like Poland and still be in Europe. You have been screw by Boris and farage.  No money for the NHS supposedly saved from leaving the EU Now you screwed all the manufacturers needing more red tape to sell to Europe. You have screwed the fishing industry and the list goes on.  And now you screwed UK by leaving for Thailand just like Mr Dyson shipping his hq to Singapore. Selfish Muppet.  Go back to UK and sort your country out. 

[PhuketBloke]

12 hours ago, ubangowlfarang said:

 UK could just be like Poland and still be in Europe. You have been screw by Boris and farage.  No money for the NHS supposedly saved from leaving the EU Now you screwed all the manufacturers needing more red tape to sell to Europe. You have screwed the fishing industry and the list goes on.  And now you screwed UK by leaving for Thailand just like Mr Dyson shipping his hq to Singapore. Selfish Muppet.  Go back to UK and sort your country out. 

It does not need sorting out thank you very much.

It was sorted out once it left the unelected autocratic EU.

A few minor glitches as we expected when setting up such a situation but the silent majority are happy. 

Wingers like you are a minority and ignored mostly. 

[23RD]

28 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

It does not need sorting out thank you very much.

It was sorted out once it left the unelected autocratic EU.

A few minor glitches as we expected when setting up such a situation but the silent majority are happy. 

Wingers like you are a minority and ignored mostly. 

Well said PB Bud The British fought two World Wars because we didn't want to be part of a United Europe under German control its something to be proud of that the majority of The British Electorate refused the 3rd attempt. 

[PhuketBloke]

52 minutes ago, 23RD said:

Well said PB Bud The British fought two World Wars because we didn't want to be part of a United Europe under German control its something to be proud of that the majority of The British Electorate refused the 3rd attempt. 

I am sure a lot of other countries wish to leave as well but they are too afraid. 

It has caused a few problems leaving but it was expected, it is no different to setting up a new business from scratch, there will be bumps and additional costs along the way.

Europe needs to export to us and we need to export to them so when everyone has stopped sulking after we left things will slowly be sorted out regarding trade.

[23RD]

10 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

I am sure a lot of other countries wish to leave as well but they are too afraid. 

It has caused a few problems leaving but it was expected, it is no different to setting up a new business from scratch, there will be bumps and additional costs along the way.

Europe needs to export to us and we need to export to them so when everyone has stopped sulking after we left things will slowly be sorted out regarding trade.

Definitely Bud European Countries joined a free trading block in 1974 not The Marxist EUSSR that its eventually become nobody voted for that. 

[Tippaporn]

Enjoy!

 

[PhuketBloke]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Enjoy!

The unfortunate thing is many people will take the video you posted as real. 

There should be an intelligence test before someone is allowed to vote, it only needs to have one question, "Will you be voting for the Labour Party or Green Party", if the answer is yes then you are deemed to be too stupid to vote.

 

 

[cowslip]

2 hours ago, PhuketBloke said:

the video you posted as real.

so the video is "not real" - how so?

[SkipsPa]

On 1/18/2024 at 12:27 PM, cowslip said:

Because things were so good back then?

They were far better in my opinion! I'm 80 years old so have lived through it. Having a scientific background I was perfectly ok with the metric system, avoir dupois or anything else although I appreciate a lot found it confusing, but I think the British were ripped off with all the changes. I even recall greengocers, butchers etc being fined for still selling by  pounds rather than kilograms. On top of that we were then subject to European law instead of UK law.

[LeReynard]

Joining the EU was treason

Brexit was an engineered disaster

[23RD]

Good news for the People of Scotland Jihadi John wannabe and architect of Scotland's Soviet style Hate speech laws Humza Yousaf has resigned as Scotland's First Minister much to the delight of the People of Scotland. 

 

 

 

 

[PhuketBloke]

On 4/29/2024 at 6:43 PM, 23RD said:

Good news for the People of Scotland Jihadi John wannabe and architect of Scotland's Soviet style Hate speech laws Humza Yousaf has resigned as Scotland's First Minister much to the delight of the People of Scotland. 

I wish Scotland had the guts to go independent then we English would also be delighted as we are tired of subsidizing them but at the same time, we have to listen to how much they hate us.

I emailed the then-minister Nicola Sturgeon and suggested at the next referendum you should allow the people of England to vote as well, that would guarantee Scotland's independence. 

She never replied. 

I also laugh when they proudly wear their family's tartan kilt and jacket, they don't seem to realise it was an English invention.

 

[PhuketBloke]

On 4/29/2024 at 12:47 AM, LeReynard said:

Joining the EU was treason

Brexit was an engineered disaster

There was never going to be an easy way out, I knew it would cost us one way or another, and that is always the case as it was a sort of divorce, but I voted to leave and I am glad we have left.

I haven't noticed the country has collapsed or fallen into economic ruin as the anti-Brexit lot was predicting.

Sure the economies around the world are having a difficult time at the moment but that is due to the lockdown, nothing to do with Brexit. 

 

[cowslip]

43 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

I wish Scotland had the guts to go independent then we English would also be delighted as we are tired of subsidizing them but at the same time, we have to listen to how much they hate us.

I emailed the then-minister Nicola Sturgeon and suggested at the next referendum you should allow the people of England to vote as well, that would guarantee Scotland's independence. 

She never replied. 

I also laugh when they proudly wear their family's tartan kilt and jacket, they don't seem to realise it was an English invention.

I love it when peopole happily think they are "english" - they will get a nasty shock when they get a DNA test.

[PhuketBloke]

10 minutes ago, cowslip said:

I love it when peopole happily think they are "english" - they will get a nasty shock when they get a DNA test.

Unless a person is stupid every English person would expect to find a mix of genes from Scandinavia, ancient English, Anglo-Saxon, Germany, and Normandy who even though they are from the northern part of France are Scandinavian hence the name Normans (Norse Men) who conquered that part of France.

But being English is not only about genetics, it is also about culture and traditions going back six thousand years.

You could apply your comment to any country, especially people who are from Both continents of North and South America.

So according to your logic, no person in the world can call themselves any nationality it seems. 

[cowslip]

42 minutes ago, PhuketBloke said:

traditions going back six thousand years.

what a silly thing to say! So ignorant - the Scots are not?????

[PhuketBloke]

27 minutes ago, cowslip said:

what a silly thing to say! So ignorant - the Scots are not?????

I did not mention anything about Scotland's traditions, I only mentioned "...we English..." which you took an exception to and then rambled on about DNA, etc.

You are calling a comment that does not exist silly, therefor your comment is silly and ignorant.

The Scots have a completely different history to that of England, as have the Germans to the French, all they share is a border as is the case with Scotland and England. 

If you look at my original comment it had to do with finance in that we are subsidizing Scotland and that is it, I never mentioned anything else, except many of them hate us which is true, the reverse of that is not true though.

We just find many of them annoying and funny for example when they refer to the Mel Gibson movie "Braveheart" and think the Hollywood version of history is real history and not just the imagination of the screenwriter. 

[Vigo]

I never quite understood the Scottish chip on the shoulder insecurity. As an outside observer, it seems to me that there is an inherent respect of the Scottish people deep in the hearts of the English, Welsh and Northern Irish, although they won't admit to it.  During the times they weren't killing each other , the Scots have always been part of the backbone that kept England strong and focused. Scottish military units are revered throughout the Commonwealth.  It was always puzzling to me that the Scotland that could produce so many focused and responsible people who built the infrastructure of engineering, finance and education in North America and even in England itself, could also produce the violent idiots of Kinross,  Glasgow, and Aberdeen.

Of course Scotland is better off as part of the UK, but so too is the UK with Scotland part of it. So much of the ongoing fight is about ego and imagined cultural pride when the reality is that Scotland makes the UK what it is and Scotland has a much better quality of life as part of the UK. The Europeans are not going to respect or cherish Scotland's inherent qualities and the assumption that being part of the EU will make it any more important than an emasculated Luxembourg is delusional. Scotland has clout as part of the UK and is a somebody.  UK laws take Scottish interests into consideration. EU laws never did.  Scotland already has control over its economy, and much of its internal operations.   Once it goes its own way, it will be a nation on par with any other low value nation going cap in hand for handouts and selling its future to anyone with some cash on hand.

As for Hamza, Sturgeon et al, they  should have spent their time on building Scotland's infrastructure  and economy, rather than selling a false dream. Scottish youth should not have to leave Scotland for opportunities. That should have been their priority. More investment in manufacturing, new job skills and education should be the focus.

[23RD]

1 hour ago, Vigo said:

As for Hamza, Sturgeon et al, they  should have spent their time on building Scotland's infrastructure  and economy, rather than selling a false dream. Scottish youth should not have to leave Scotland for opportunities. That should have been their priority. More investment in manufacturing, new job skills and education should be the focus.

Good point Vigo Bud Hamza and Sturgeon were more interested in identity politics and culture wars than the welfare of the Scottish People the old cliche you get what you vote for springs to mind.

The draconian hate speech laws was their final nail in the coffin. 

[LeReynard]

Britain was strong when she was more independant, because of the Empire. Do notice that independence, in geopolitics, is a matter of degree. It's not a question of what is formally recognised.

Ergo a British geopolitical revival depends on closer ties to the Commonwealth, that it function again more like one country with strong regional autonomy, as the EU began to. Though this is likely to have implications some people won't like, these likely regarding immigration, citizenship, etc.

No point rejecting Brussels and Berlin, just to be closer to Washington. A country isn't independent unless it has its own power projection, a sphere of influence... unfortunately Britain's was around the Indian Ocean region, too far from Blighty.

No point agitating against the US, or the EU for that matter. But autonomy needs asserting with actions, not statements.

Someone on Twitter posted a map of the English diaspora, not just to the 'white dominions' of the Empire, or the Thirteen colonies. Brits don't usually think of themselves as having a diaspora, like the Irish, or the Chinese, or the Jews. But we do, and it's a resource could be drawn upon.

 

[cowslip]

2 hours ago, LeReynard said:

British geopolitical revival depends on closer ties to the Commonwealth, t

THere is no way Britain can regain the "empire" or commonwealth as it was basically bleeding them dry - so no-one will stand for that - the EU i=has about 10 times the economic potential of any Commonwealth.

 

THe EU didn't ex[ploit countries like the EMpire/Commonwealth did and the UK was online to be the biggest single economy in the EU before Brexit.

Check out how todays new border regulations have further screwed the UK economy.