News Forum - Ukraine’s Zelensky defies Russia’s ultimatum to lay down weapons

[NorskTiger]

2 hours ago, Alavan said:

What a load of crap. Norway was not the only one doing convoys. So were British-, American- and a lot of ships from other occupied countries to. And they ran the same danger.
And they hadn't to chose where they were sent or what cargo they transported.
And if Norway didn't help the Allied in WWII, maybe you would have been speaking German now (except of course if you were living in Siberia).

As I said before. 90% of the air fuel to Britain in 1940 was loaded by Norwegian ships. You can go and crap wherever you want, just not let me see it or be in my turf. 

    The British started mining Norwegian sea lanes in March of 1940 and had credible plans to "manage" us. The Germans won the race.  

    The Soviet Union would have defeated Germany on it's own and if we had committed all our shipping that way, even more so.

    Again, you are wrong about not having to choose where to go. Read some history, or even try wikipedia. Even the latter garbage synopsis can teach you a thing or two here.  

[Fanta]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes but not civilians. BIG difference. Although Czar Putin and his thugs do not seem to care.

You should send an angry email to the Washington Post or the Stars and Stripes

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2022-03-29/Russia-has-killed-civilians-in-Ukraine-but-Kyivs-defense-tactics-add-to-the-danger-5521861.html

 

 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Fanta said:

You should send an angry email to the Washington Post or the Stars and Stripes

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2022-03-29/Russia-has-killed-civilians-in-Ukraine-but-Kyivs-defense-tactics-add-to-the-danger-5521861.html

None of them would be dying if it were not for Czar Putins illegal invasion.

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, Alavan said:

What a load of crap. Norway was not the only one doing convoys. So were British-, American- and a lot of ships from other occupied countries to. And they ran the same danger.
And they hadn't to chose where they were sent or what cargo they transported.
And if Norway didn't help the Allied in WWII, maybe you would have been speaking German now (except of course if you were living in Siberia).

Yeah Norway could have done that ….and had their ships seized or sunk by UK as they did to traitor French fleet…

[EdwardV]

6 hours ago, CamPat said:

My take is that if the two big Players Russia and the US don't come to an agreement we will see ongoing wars for the next decades to come.

Russia isn’t a big player. They are a regional bit player with a third world economy and a collapsing demographic. 
 

Amy peace deal must be made between Ukraine and Russia. 

[Alavan]

2 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

If you think LNG will help anyone besides the oil companies and it will maintain European standard of living, I think a ROman peace envoy would be more credible. 

   If you do not understand the challenges with LNG to solve today's energy problems in Europe I think it will be very hard for you to change your mind, for sure. 

So please explain the difference between natural gas from Russia and from Qatar, North sea.

I know we will have to switch to other energy forms, but it looks like for you Russian gas is ok, and Norvegian/Qatar gas not.

[Alavan]

2 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

As I said before. 90% of the air fuel to Britain in 1940 was loaded by Norwegian ships. You can go and crap wherever you want, just not let me see it or be in my turf. 

    The British started mining Norwegian sea lanes in March of 1940 and had credible plans to "manage" us. The Germans won the race.  

    The Soviet Union would have defeated Germany on it's own and if we had committed all our shipping that way, even more so.

    Again, you are wrong about not having to choose where to go. Read some history, or even try wikipedia. Even the latter garbage synopsis can teach you a thing or two here.  

I met colleagues who sailed convoys, I had colleagues, like an Australian harbourmaster who said his Scottish father was torpedoed 3 times, One of the predecessors in my job was torpedoed on 24 december 44  before Cherbourg, resulting in more than 600 victims, mostly US soldiers, my old boss was torpedoed in Atlantic and survived 60 days in an open lifeboat (only 3 survived of the crew).

I have the reports of what happened to all ships under my countries flag, including tankers, so don’t bs me with your 90%. I respect all those guys from the merchant navy, whatever their nationality. And yes, Notvegians died, but also British, Americans, French, Dutch, Belgian, Greek, Danish, so I say the crap is on you.

[Alavan]

2 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

As I said before. 90% of the air fuel to Britain in 1940 was loaded by Norwegian ships. You can go and crap wherever you want, just not let me see it or be in my turf. 

    The British started mining Norwegian sea lanes in March of 1940 and had credible plans to "manage" us. The Germans won the race.  

    The Soviet Union would have defeated Germany on it's own and if we had committed all our shipping that way, even more so.

    Again, you are wrong about not having to choose where to go. Read some history, or even try wikipedia. Even the latter garbage synopsis can teach you a thing or two here.  

Why were those coastal waters mined? To obstruct the iron ore traffic from Narvik to Germany. Never though about that?

Norvegian shipping committed to the SU… where did (and ships from other nations) they load the ammo, tanks, trucks, etc to discharge in Murmansk? And where was it al fabricated?

[Alavan]

32 minutes ago, Alavan said:

Why were those coastal waters mined? To obstruct the iron ore traffic from Narvik to Germany. Never though about that?

Norvegian shipping committed to the SU… where did (and ships from other nations) they load the ammo, tanks, trucks, etc to discharge in Murmansk? And where was it al fabricated?

And don't forget that since the early 30's Quisling was a big fan of Germany.
On the other hand, respect for the Norvegian ressistance, especially Telemark.

[EdwardV]

Unfortunately for those of us who wish this war to be over soon:

Russian authorities have disputed reports that they will soon officially declare war on Ukraine, even though government institutions across the country are recruiting staff for "wartime mobilization specialists." A search by Newsweek on a local recruiting website found more than a dozen job adverts hiring recruits in mobilization training and work in wartime. The development was first reported by The Moscow Times, an independent online newspaper based in Moscow. It comes amid growing speculation that Russian President Vladimir Putin will announce a mass mobilization on Russia's May 9 Victory Day—a move that could see hundreds of thousands recruited into the army.

Declaring all-out war on Ukraine would allow Putin under Russian law to draft conscripts and mobilize reserve forces. Russia has never declared a full mobilization before. The Kremlin on Wednesday pushed back against the speculation, saying there is "no chance of that. It's nonsense," according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. "It is not true," he added.

Russia Hires 'War Mobilization Specialists' After Denying It'll Declare War (msn.com)

 

 

 

[oldschooler]

27 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Unfortunately for those of us who wish this war to be over soon:

Russian authorities have disputed reports that they will soon officially declare war on Ukraine, even though government institutions across the country are recruiting staff for "wartime mobilization specialists." A search by Newsweek on a local recruiting website found more than a dozen job adverts hiring recruits in mobilization training and work in wartime. The development was first reported by The Moscow Times, an independent online newspaper based in Moscow. It comes amid growing speculation that Russian President Vladimir Putin will announce a mass mobilization on Russia's May 9 Victory Day—a move that could see hundreds of thousands recruited into the army.

Declaring all-out war on Ukraine would allow Putin under Russian law to draft conscripts and mobilize reserve forces. Russia has never declared a full mobilization before. The Kremlin on Wednesday pushed back against the speculation, saying there is "no chance of that. It's nonsense," according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. "It is not true," he added.

Russia Hires 'War Mobilization Specialists' After Denying It'll Declare War (msn.com)

Battle-Hardened Ukrainians, having bested & decimated the “ finest” Russian ground forces, are now trembling in their well -worn in boots, that they will soon be facing human waves of untrained ill -prepared conscripts and fifty -year old beer- bellied border guards, none of whom could hit a barn door with a shotgun at fives paces or run 100 yards without collapsing!

[Benroon]

On 5/5/2022 at 1:56 PM, Fester said:

Found it. Now what?

Apply it ? 

[Benroon]

On 5/5/2022 at 2:53 PM, Fester said:

Yes, you should apologize.... for your patronizing condescension and the false claims and foul accusations. 

The earliest forms of mathematics are generally argued to be of Sumerian origin, art from Indonesia and medicine Mesopotamia. All ancient civilizations and regimes contributed to their development. Your hero, Albucasis, is recognized as a pioneer of modern surgery but the Muslims had already translated existing medical writings from Greek and Roman records, at least - this was medical evolution over millennia from various sources around the world.

The earliest camera description was first recorded by the Chinese and then the Greeks - again the concept was later developed by an Arab chap. Congratulations on your crankshaft.

But what is all this noise about climate and western head-starts? Maybe you need your own Albucasis?

'foul' ? haha are you like 92 ?

So 'generally argued' is proof ? (another haha)

The rest simply incomprehensible and able to be disproven by a remedial 10 year old - apart from that you've done well.

Again even with the internet at your fingertips , I just don't understand how you have made such a hash of your defence of a xenophobic racist eejit. Sadly they thrive, and are supported, on most forums.

[EdwardV]

7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

untrained ill -prepared conscripts

A scary thought for sure. Most of the stories I had read about Russian soldiers who basically surrendered without a fight seemed to be conscripts. Of course most of those kids didn't even know they were in Ukraine until the bullets started flying. That won't be the case with a new crop. Still needing to convince them fighting in a foreign country to rid it of imaginary Nazis is worth their life might be a hard sell. 

At least the last batch had most of an entire year of training before being illegally sent to Ukraine. It's doubtful the new batch will have more than a month before they end up in Ukraine. It's hard not to feel sorry for them.    

[Benroon]

3 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Yeah Norway could have done that ….and had their ships seized or sunk by UK as they did to traitor French fleet…

Ooops now the french are getting it in the ear (so thats black people/muslims/french/africans/germans so far) is that Vera Lynn I hear warbling in the distance or perhaps drowned out by the spluttering of misfiring Spitfire engines ?

Boy I missed the date this forum morphed into thaivisa - it was so good at the start until someone took their eye off the ball.

[Fester]

29 minutes ago, Benroon said:

'foul' ? haha are you like 92 ?

So 'generally argued' is proof ? (another haha)

The rest simply incomprehensible and able to be disproven by a remedial 10 year old - apart from that you've done well.

Again even with the internet at your fingertips , I just don't understand how you have made such a hash of your defence of a xenophobic racist eejit. Sadly they thrive, and are supported, on most forums.

Looks like you need help reading.

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, Alavan said:

I met colleagues who sailed convoys, I had colleagues, like an Australian harbourmaster who said his Scottish father was torpedoed 3 times, One of the predecessors in my job was torpedoed on 24 december 44  before Cherbourg, resulting in more than 600 victims, mostly US soldiers, my old boss was torpedoed in Atlantic and survived 60 days in an open lifeboat (only 3 survived of the crew).

I have the reports of what happened to all ships under my countries flag, including tankers, so don’t bs me with your 90%. I respect all those guys from the merchant navy, whatever their nationality. And yes, Notvegians died, but also British, Americans, French, Dutch, Belgian, Greek, Danish, so I say the crap is on you.

Pointless Debating with someone seemingly programmed by his Marxist “ Professor” to weirdly hate the Free West in favor of barbarian Unfree Russians and CCP. 

[oldschooler]

27 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Ooops now the french are getting it in the ear (so thats black people/muslims/french/africans/germans so far) is that Vera Lynn I hear warbling in the distance or perhaps drowned out by the spluttering of misfiring Spitfire engines ?

Boy I missed the date this forum morphed into thaivisa - it was so good at the start until someone took their eye off the ball.

Extensive ignorance, stupidity, hatred of country and immaturity is well displayed with each vile abusive deranged post.

When daft , false pseudo- history claims that “Muslims” and “black Africans” made important inventions ( which other / older peoples demonstrably created first) are easily debunked with archeological & historical facts, these “ types” predictably lash out again with the usual cheap  “racist, xenophobic” nonsense.

This being the clueless tactic of shallow fools with no case, no facts, no counter- arguments etc., being exposed & embarrassed. 

Revealing such clowns yet again as ill-mannered uneducated obnoxious little twerps, who should consider shoving themselves UP themselves ( fat heads permitting that is).

[oldschooler]

58 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

A scary thought for sure. Most of the stories I had read about Russian soldiers who basically surrendered without a fight seemed to be conscripts. Of course most of those kids didn't even know they were in Ukraine until the bullets started flying. That won't be the case with a new crop. Still needing to convince them fighting in a foreign country to rid it of imaginary Nazis is worth their life might be a hard sell. 

At least the last batch had most of an entire year of training before being illegally sent to Ukraine. It's doubtful the new batch will have more than a month before they end up in Ukraine. It's hard not to feel sorry for them.    

Doubt any compelled conscript regular Russian infantryman has more than six weeks of any real “training” at best.

Then near-zero real leadership in combat it seems. Whatever that selection / training / leadership process is (perhaps 10% UK level,without the key motivation / confidence element) it’s not working at all. Pure unprofessional cannon fodder.

UK Marine commandos have nine months, and UK Army Infantry six months, full time voluntary intensive pre-combat selection & training. no comparison at all.

[oldschooler]

47 minutes ago, Fester said:

Looks like you need help reading.

 well beyond any help unless it’s a complete reprogramming job as done for cult followers in USA. Overdosed on pseudo- history koolaid it seems. 

[NorskTiger]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So why is Finland and Sweden joining NATO?

You mean, why does the Swedish and FInnish government rush this through without running it through a referendum if the support among the people is so overwhelming?

[NorskTiger]

6 hours ago, Alavan said:

I met colleagues who sailed convoys, I had colleagues, like an Australian harbourmaster who said his Scottish father was torpedoed 3 times, One of the predecessors in my job was torpedoed on 24 december 44  before Cherbourg, resulting in more than 600 victims, mostly US soldiers, my old boss was torpedoed in Atlantic and survived 60 days in an open lifeboat (only 3 survived of the crew).

I have the reports of what happened to all ships under my countries flag, including tankers, so don’t bs me with your 90%. I respect all those guys from the merchant navy, whatever their nationality. And yes, Notvegians died, but also British, Americans, French, Dutch, Belgian, Greek, Danish, so I say the crap is on you.

Your entire post is just full of plattitudes. So maybe do some research and check up which merchant ships brought the airplane fuel to RAF during Battle of Britain and way into 1941. 

   I come with a number nad you give me some anecdotes about some individuals who were torpedoed. >One thing has nothing to do with the other.  

  

[NorskTiger]

4 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Doubt any compelled conscript regular Russian infantryman has more than six weeks of any real “training” at best.

Then near-zero real leadership in combat it seems. Whatever that selection / training / leadership process is (perhaps 10% UK level,without the key motivation / confidence element) it’s not working at all. Pure unprofessional cannon fodder.

UK Marine commandos have nine months, and UK Army Infantry six months, full time voluntary intensive pre-combat selection & training. no comparison at all.

  What nonsense. Russia still has compulsory military service meant for REAL war. USA and UK has hired thugs meant for figthing against enemies who have no real chance to stand up to them. 

   Russian soldiers in Ukraine have 6 weeks training? You don't believe that and you sound more and more like a 1941 edition of Deutcsche Wochenshau, IMHO. 

   The marine "commandos" have never been in a real war. They just practice policing and thuggery against the weak. Most king crab fishermen have a riskier job. 

[NorskTiger]

4 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Extensive ignorance, stupidity, hatred of country and immaturity is well displayed with each vile abusive deranged post.

When daft , false pseudo- history claims that “Muslims” and “black Africans” made important inventions ( which other / older peoples demonstrably created first) are easily debunked with archeological & historical facts, these “ types” predictably lash out again with the usual cheap  “racist, xenophobic” nonsense.

This being the clueless tactic of shallow fools with no case, no facts, no counter- arguments etc., being exposed & embarrassed. 

Revealing such clowns yet again as ill-mannered uneducated obnoxious little twerps, who should consider shoving themselves UP themselves ( fat heads permitting that is).

and HERE, is another example of why the increasing part of the world nations do not exactly warm up to the thought of supporting the arrogant and haughty anglo-americans.

    from Zimbabwe to the Solomons; Manali to Montevideo and Havana to Hanoi, the world is waking up thte fact that the American empire with it's tiny UK lapdog dragged along is nothing but a fraud. 

[EdwardV]

1 minute ago, NorskTiger said:

You mean, why does the Swedish and FInnish government rush this through without running it through a referendum if the support among the people is so overwhelming?

Why would they need to hold a referendum?

Represented governments derive their authority from being elected in the first place. It's their job to make those decisions and do what is best for the country. If you don't like their decision, you vote them right back out of office and let the next elected official reverse or modify the decision.

The very idea they should hold a referendum runs contrary to being an elected official. You are expecting them to willingly give up power? Comical to say the least.