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[oldschooler]

17 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

We have already played this game with you.  

if this man tortured your sister who married him for 8 years and then just killed her, then yes, you have the right to break into his house.  

But we live in the real world, not in an action movie, right, where there are more complex relations between states?

Evasion, Deflection, “ Straw Man” alternative case,  Unreason,, Denial, Support of Evil,Immorality,  Blind Willful Ignorance, Unaccountable Nationalism ……etc, etc

[KRLMRX]

21 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Bucha official investigation will follow when Russians gone. Seen enough already. The sheer range & quantity of evidenced atrocities during Russian occupation is simply overwhelming & conclusive.

the Russians left Bucha two weeks ago. Since then, there has been a continuous attraction in Bucha showing corpses to visiting European officials and journalists. But there is no independent investigation.

Why?

the assertion that it is cold at the north pole can be checked at any time with a thermometer.

The Ukrainian government does not want to confirm the assertion that the Russians killed people in Bucha.

[Fanta]

5 minutes ago, Transam said:

Those here, who seem to condone aggression against the innocent, should be ashamed.....

And those that deliberately mislabel others  while unwilling to engage in meaningful discussion should also be ashamed or, perhaps, simply humored. Less crying, more trying. 

[KRLMRX]

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Thats not soldiers laying out bodies in the road as you claimed.

Its soldiers dragging a body OFF the road using a rope in case the corpse is booby trapped. 

But you already knew that.

I did not claim. I only say that the information on both sides is the opposite. and to learn the truth, you need to conduct an independent investigation

[Fester]

10 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Orban is Putins only EU Leader supporter. Has majority support in Hungary which lies behind the  NATO states bordering Russia and should probably be removed from NATO & EU as useless & untrustworthy re. Russia. Let Hungary align with Putin if it admires war criminals so much.

Ejecting Hungary from NATO would only make things worse. The EU have a problem with Orban's nationalist policies because he is pro Hungary, more than pro EU. 

[Fester]

19 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Sanctions are Punishment for Crimes.

Thailand irrelevant in this matter.

But not irrelevant to this particular topic.

[Marble-eye]

7 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

the Russians left Bucha two weeks ago. Since then, there has been a continuous attraction in Bucha showing corpses to visiting European officials and journalists. But there is no independent investigation.

Why?

the assertion that it is cold at the north pole can be checked at any time with a thermometer.

The Ukrainian government does not want to confirm the assertion that the Russians killed people in Bucha.

Satellite photographs taken when the Russians were in control of Bucha show the bodies already there and not infact "staged".

A nice try Karl but yet again, no cigar.

 

"A satellite image of Bucha in Ukraine appears to show bodies lying in the street nearly two weeks before the Russians left the town.

The image from 19 March, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed by the BBC, directly contradicts Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's claim that footage of bodies in Bucha, that has emerged in recent days, was "staged" after the Russians withdrew.

The satellite image shows objects that appear to be bodies in the exact locations where they were subsequently found by Ukrainian forces when they regained control of the town north of Kyiv.

Along another section of the road, the image shows what appear to be more bodies on the ground."

https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238

 

[KRLMRX]

43 minutes ago, vlad said:

What a load of B/S comrade " Study the History " " Its not enough to read mainstream media " correct comrade we can see on tv the destruction of Mariupol and other towns your country has destroyed we don't have to read it we see it daily. like most on here now iv'e had enough of you and your pathetic post's. This is my last input too. 

you remind the story of an ex-wife who is so tired of her ex-husband that she writes to him on Instagram every day how much she is tired of him

[KRLMRX]

2 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

Satellite photographs taken when the Russians were in control of Bucha show the bodies already there and not infact "staged".

A nice try Karl but yet again, no cigar.

"A satellite image of Bucha in Ukraine appears to show bodies lying in the street nearly two weeks before the Russians left the town.

The image from 19 March, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed by the BBC, directly contradicts Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's claim that footage of bodies in Bucha, that has emerged in recent days, was "staged" after the Russians withdrew.

The satellite image shows objects that appear to be bodies in the exact locations where they were subsequently found by Ukrainian forces when they regained control of the town north of Kyiv.

Along another section of the road, the image shows what appear to be more bodies on the ground."

https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238

possibly. although there are those in Russia who claim that these satellite images were taken after the Russians left, citing weather conditions and other arguments.

the question is who killed them.

why can't we conduct an examination of the bodies, attach these photos with metadata about the time of filming and unequivocally indicate the culprit? why don't the Ukrainian government and satellite owners do this?

[Fanta]

21 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Yeah right mr appeaser…let Ukraine decide these matters…..hopefully settle Putins aggression for good by bleeding Russia dry……..let invader Putin cease & desist ….. nobody else can “ negotiate” that outcome with this deceiver war criminal.

Let Russia become Free also ….. oh but they haven’t got any idea about that …. tough, then eat the consequences.

What happens if Ukraine lose? 

[Marble-eye]

7 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

possibly. although there are those in Russia who claim that these satellite images were taken after the Russians left, citing weather conditions and other arguments.

the question is who killed them.

why can't we conduct an examination of the bodies, attach these photos with metadata about the time of filming and unequivocally indicate the culprit? why don't the Ukrainian government and satellite owners do this?

Yadda Yadda Yadda.

[oldschooler]

5 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

possibly. although there are those in Russia who claim that these satellite images were taken after the Russians left, citing weather conditions and other arguments.

the question is who killed them.

why can't we conduct an examination of the bodies, attach these photos with metadata about the time of filming and unequivocally indicate the culprit? why don't the Ukrainian government and satellite owners do this?

They will. There is no ( reasonable) “Question”. Local Russian Commanders will be identified & indicted for war crimes.  
 

obviously fighting for freedom has a higher priority right now than being overly distracted by Russian failed psychological murder tactics.

absolutely nobody cares about what Russians claim ( always without any proper evidence). 

[KRLMRX]

4 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

They will. There is no ( reasonable) “Question”. Local Russian Commanders will be identified & indicted for war crimes.  
 

obviously fighting for freedom has a higher priority right now than being overly distracted by Russian failed psychological murder tactics.

absolutely nobody cares about what Russians claim ( always without any proper evidence). 

If it is now argued to prove the guilt of Russians in Bucha, it will very help the cause of the victory of Ukraine in this war. Although, if the goal is infinitely to fight with Russia with the hands of Ukrainians, it is better not to conduct an investigation, I agree.

 

[oldschooler]

6 minutes ago, Fanta said:

What happens if Ukraine lose? 

How ? Russians defeated in west and not competent. Ukraine has already been Wrecked, a form of loss. Control & Neutrality objectives impossible now for Russia. NATO Support will continue to bleed Russia dry; nato plan all along……

[Rookiescot]

41 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

the Russians left Bucha two weeks ago. Since then, there has been a continuous attraction in Bucha showing corpses to visiting European officials and journalists. But there is no independent investigation.

Why?

the assertion that it is cold at the north pole can be checked at any time with a thermometer.

The Ukrainian government does not want to confirm the assertion that the Russians killed people in Bucha.

Evidence Russia left Bucha two weeks ago?

And if thats the case why did they leave dead Russian soldiers behind?

[oldschooler]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

If it is now argued to prove the guilt of Russians in Bucha, it will very help the cause of the victory of Ukraine in this war. Although, if the goal is infinitely to fight with Russia with the hands of Ukrainians, it is better not to conduct an investigation, I agree.

Gibberish, drivel….. again.

This business is already sufficiently proven and has only resulted in further anti-aggressor actions. My previous posts have made this quite clear to even the most ignorant.
 

Enslaved People like you would Deny the Earth circles the Sun or 2+2 = 6, if your masters said so  ! 

Ukraine already receiving maximum NATO nation help. Russians shot themselves in the foot here. But it’s their fixed nature & culture & tactics so can’t stop conducting atrocities. (Scorpion & Frog Parable recalled…)

Incompetent impoverished Russia cannot fight “infinitely” but the longer the better for all Free Countries. Perhaps Putin will be asked to contribute from his $250 Billion Fortune stolen from Russian people ? 

[Rookiescot]

21 minutes ago, Fanta said:

What happens if Ukraine lose? 

The Russian army is falling apart. Lack of supplies. Low or non existent moral. Still have to take objectives listed as day one targets. Still cannot take Mariupol after how many weeks of trying.

The Russian army is losing. Word of huge casualties are starting to circulate in Russia. As are reports of Russian atrocities. 

On the other side the Ukrainians are highly motivated and well supplied. The atrocities have strengthened their resolve.

I saw Ukrainian troops being interviewed and they stated they dont want negotiations. They want to kill every one of Putins thugs.

Good luck getting concessions out of guys like that. 

[oldschooler]

49 minutes ago, Fester said:

But not irrelevant to this particular topic.

The main topic header is trivial clickbait nonsense, quickly ignored & set aside.

Naturally topic moved at once to the header part of  “Ukraine Updates”.

[Fanta]

Just now, oldschooler said:

How ? Russians defeated in west and not competent. Ukraine has already been Wrecked, a form of loss. Control & Neutrality objectives impossible now for Russia. NATO Support will continue to bleed Russia dry; nato plan all along……

Here’s a 3 day old war map. Mariupol is lost. The Ukrainian forces defending the Donbas region can dig in and risk being encircled, try to break through or choose to fall back. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

btw: Zelenskyy keeps pushing for peace talks. Is he an appeaser or a Putin supporter? I ask because those labels are attached to anyone in this forum advocating for peace talks. Perhaps he is a realist and wants what is currently achievable in the best long term interests of Ukraine?  Or maybe he is also aware of your claim of a NATO plan to bleed Russia dry at Ukraine’s expense?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russia–Ukraine_peace_negotiations

 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Here’s a 3 day old war map. Mariupol is lost. The Ukrainian forces defending the Donbas region can dig in and risk being encircled, try to break through or choose to fall back. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

btw: Zelenskyy keeps pushing for peace talks. Is he an appeaser or a Putin supporter? I ask because those labels are attached to anyone in this forum advocating for peace talks. Perhaps he is a realist and wants what is currently achievable in the best long term interests of Ukraine?  Or maybe he is also aware of your claim of a NATO plan to bleed Russia dry at Ukraine’s expense?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russia–Ukraine_peace_negotiations

Mariupol has not fallen. Its still holding out.

The Ukrainians are on the offensive on numerous fronts. If anyone is at risk of being surrounded its Putins thugs. 

The peace talks are going nowhere. They never will. Everyone knows Czar Putin lies repeatedly. He could sign a peace agreement and then invade again the following day.

[Fanta]

34 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

The Russian army is falling apart. Lack of supplies. Low or non existent moral. Still have to take objectives listed as day one targets. Still cannot take Mariupol after how many weeks of trying.

The Russian army is losing. Word of huge casualties are starting to circulate in Russia. As are reports of Russian atrocities. 

On the other side the Ukrainians are highly motivated and well supplied. The atrocities have strengthened their resolve.

I saw Ukrainian troops being interviewed and they stated they dont want negotiations. They want to kill every one of Putins thugs.

Good luck getting concessions out of guys like that. 

You still smoking the propaganda pipe? It may feel good but prolonged exposure leads to a closed mind. Drugs are bad, m’kay. Russia claims to be in the center of Mariupol and Ukraine are rather quiet about that claim. The Ukraine authorities are urging civilians to evacuate the Donbas regions because the Russians are advancing. Does that really sound like an army falling apart, lacking supplies on the brink of mutiny? Seriously? And of course the Ukrainian troops want blood, fortunately they are not involved in negotiations. Do you think they’ll just headshot POWs now instead of allegedly kneecapping them?

On 28 March, Mayor Vadym Boichenko said "we are in the hands of the occupiers today" in a televised interview. 
Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol
 

Edited April 10, 2022 by Fanta
Added source

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, Fanta said:

You still smoking the propaganda pipe? It may feel good but prolonged exposure leads to a closed mind. Drugs are bad, m’kay. Russia claims to be in the center of Mariupol and Ukraine are rather quiet about that claim. The Ukraine authorities are urging civilians to evacuate the Donbas regions because the Russians are advancing. Does that really sound like an army falling apart, lacking supplies on the brink of mutiny? Seriously? And of course the Ukrainian troops want blood, fortunately they are not involved in negotiations. Do you think they’ll just headshot POWs now instead of allegedly kneecapping them?

Oh Russia claims?

And you accuse others of having closed minds?

The Ukrainians are telling people to get out of areas where fighting is likely to start. It doesn't mean Russian forces are making any progress. And if Russia does make any advances its now abundantly clear those civilians are NOT going to be safe if trapped in a Russian controlled area.

The map YOU linked shows Ukrainian advances in many areas.

[Fanta]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh Russia claims?

And you accuse others of having closed minds?

The Ukrainians are telling people to get out of areas where fighting is likely to start. It doesn't mean Russian forces are making any progress. And if Russia does make any advances its now abundantly clear those civilians are NOT going to be safe if trapped in a Russian controlled area.

The map YOU linked shows Ukrainian advances in many areas.

Did you notice the red bits on the map?  How do you think the Russians got control there? Teleported in and are now sitting idle, demoralized, hungry, nearly out of ammo awaiting their inevitable fate While the Ukrainian forces, that have lost “surprisingly” minimal troops and tanks, advance. Put down the pipe. The northern areas show reclaimed Ukrainian area because the Russians have pulled or been pushed back. Did you even read the Wikipedia page on Mariupol? How can the Russians be forcibly evacuating civilians if they do not have control? And why would they if they are being forced back. 

[Fester]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

The main topic header is trivial clickbait nonsense, quickly ignored & set aside.

Naturally topic moved at once to the header part of  “Ukraine Updates”.

When the topic line is ignored & set aside, then after excessive off-topic posts, it is invariably closed.

[Guest1]

3 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

It is very useful to always ask the question - who benefits? almost always, those who benefit and took this action. Since the beginning of the war, President Zelensky has called for urgent admission of Ukraine to the EU. And suddenly, after the events in Bucha, the European official talks about accelerating this process. I hope they were not killed on purpose to speed up the process of joining the EU.

Selensky is at least trying to use this war as a shorttcut, to get into EU and, in his thoughts, hopefully NATO, too.

And the EU is on the way, to allow it.  The rules for a membership will have to be widely circumcised, to make that happen any time soon. Also, that would need to speed up the process with Serbia, 'cause they trying/asking for over a decade. So two more beneficiaries, the alliance against the "givers" in EU is getting stronger and stronger.

What most people don't know, about EU: There is a defense pact included, like in NATO. So, just without the non EU Nato-Members, EU would have to defend Ukraine, too.