News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES: Russia relents, Ukraine offers concessions at Turkey peace talks; Amnesty decries Russian war crimes

[Fester]

43 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

you are broadcasting a version of events that is voiced by the pro-Western government of Ukraine and its Western partners.

The reality is different - at first the protests of pro-Russian citizens in eastern Ukraine were peaceful, Ukraine responded to this with a military operation, after that Russia began to help the rebels.

On this video of the event on May 9, 2014 in Mariupol, these days everything that we see now began. on this day, Russia and Ukraine celebrated Victory Day in the Second World War (the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany, a little later Ukraine canceled this holiday) and on the same day, the stupid rulers of Ukraine ordered troops to be sent to Mariupol. People tried to stop the tanks, dozens of people died.

I'm not ashamed of it, these people are heroes.

https://youtu.be/McgNyNeQpiM

You are broadcasting a version of events that is voiced by Russia. 

[oldschooler]

46 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

you are broadcasting a version of events that is voiced by the pro-Western government of Ukraine and its Western partners.

The reality is different - at first the protests of pro-Russian citizens in eastern Ukraine were peaceful, Ukraine responded to this with a military operation, after that Russia began to help the rebels.

On this video of the event on May 9, 2014 in Mariupol, these days everything that we see now began. on this day, Russia and Ukraine celebrated Victory Day in the Second World War (the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany, a little later Ukraine canceled this holiday) and on the same day, the stupid rulers of Ukraine ordered troops to be sent to Mariupol. People tried to stop the tanks, dozens of people died.

I'm not ashamed of it, these people are heroes.

https://youtu.be/McgNyNeQpiM

Donbass “protests” had insufficient basis ; prompted by FSB Armed Spies & Agitators Only, with Local Collaborators rousing Mobs; never “ peaceful” ; Ukraine no choice but to respond militarily; as planned by Putin. All from Trotsky’s Mob Tactics Manual.

[oldschooler]

3 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

the inhabitants of Donbass left the Ukrainian authorities along with their land. You have the ability to stop them.

UK has no constitution, my militant chauvinist.

You clearly know little (or nothing ) of the UK, or indeed, Democracy.

 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

So what happens when a country is illegally invaded?

there is a death of ordinary people for the sake of the interests of a handful of crooks and bandits.

I don’t remember the children of Putin, Zelensky, Biden, Johnson and Scholz dying

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

It's good that they didn't count 10 times, right?

So we both agree it’s not a fantasy, just a question of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. Good. 

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, Convert54 said:

As it is IMO the world should be a little grateful to Putin  in that  and for  being the inevitable catalyst for the introduction of not only geopolitical  change but a significant change in the economic systems and eventually the "value" of any individual.  ( Do NOT  confuse  value  with  wealth   ! )

So the world should be grateful to Putin because he has shown the value of people by killing people? I wonder if those particular people are grateful or not. Too bad we can’t ask them since they are dead. 
 

This is besides the fact Putin isn’t changing the geopolitical landscape. Globalism was already dying, Americas had decided to kill it off years ago. The only thing Putin did is to remind a forgetful Europe the world is still a dangerous place. The rest of the world knew that, but Europe had forgotten (well at least most of it, Eastern Europe never forgot).

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Kherson already sufficiently Wrecked. So no further civilian destruction necessary

it is not true. he was busy without a fight. and after that almost nothing happens

[butterfly]

3 hours ago, EdwardV said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrainians-abroad-returned-home-since-russias-invasion-border-service.amp

foxnews? seriously?

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Cause: Unfree Weak Tyrant “ Feels Threatened” by Free NATO & West- leaning Corrupt Ukraine ( NATO ? No Chance).? (Pretext for Violence Option).

Reason Says: Not Credible to “ believe “ Purely Defensive NATO would Invade a nuclear- armed Russia.(Pretext Again).

Pre- Effect: Putin wants to Control - Neutralize- Wreck Ukraine; “ spoiling” it for NATO & EU. Sanctions Price OK !

Effect: Russia Invades Ukraine (against all proper reason, logic & humanity). 

Did I Miss Anything Important ? 

No, basically everything is correct. I hope other commentators will be able to think more systematically.

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Fester said:

You are broadcasting a version of events that is voiced by Russia. 

maybe.  but my version is at least partially confirmed by many videos from 2014. you can hardly confirm your version.

 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Donbass “protests” had insufficient basis ; prompted by FSB Armed Spies & Agitators Only, with Local Collaborators rousing Mobs; never “ peaceful” ; Ukraine no choice but to respond militarily; as planned by Putin. All from Trotsky’s Mob Tactics Manual.

this is your private opinion. photo video and eyewitness accounts say otherwise.

[KRLMRX]

3 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Clearly No Peace Possible until after RUSSIA Withdraws Completely. 

China CCP will to be eradicated, best by their own people. Or same scenario as Ukraine ; CCP lured into attacking Taiwan then Incompetent CCP Military Smashed by Existing Democratic Alliance. 

interesting fantasy.

for now, reality looks like this:

Putin May Collect $321 Billion Windfall If Oil and Gas Keep Flowing

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-01/putin-may-collect-321-billion-windfall-if-oil-gas-keep-flowing

by the way, this amount is roughly equal to the sum of Russia's frozen reserves . Starting next year, Putin will be in the black.

Edited April 2, 2022 by KRLMRX

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

You clearly know little (or nothing ) of the UK, or indeed, Democracy.

for sure.

but I know for sure that there is no constitution

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, EdwardV said:

So we both agree it’s not a fantasy, just a question of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. Good. 

given that 4-5 million citizens work outside of Ukraine, even the figure of 300 thousand is approximately 10% of men.

That is, 90% do not want to die heroically for the business of Zelensky, Kolomoisky, Akhmetov, Biden Jr. and other crooks.

https://uacrisis.org/en/66428-research-on-labor-migration-ces

 

[oldschooler]

11 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

this is your private opinion. photo video and eyewitness accounts say otherwise.

Video & witnesses pre- determined by FSB no doubt. It’s what they do.

Only Ukraine Russians at the border unhappy then! Not the other eight million Russians in east/ south Ukraine who mostly seem to reject /despise  Putin.  What a Coincidence ! Let’s make a Buffer State ! 

In any event the clear Russian military intervention inside Ukraine is Completely Unjustified.by normal standards.

Russians outside Russia are subject only to diplomatic protection by Russia NOT Physical State Intervention. That is NAZI HITLER Sudetenland Tactics……LEAVE for your next door Mother Russia if unhappy in Ukraine.

[oldschooler]

16 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

for sure.

but I know for sure that there is no constitution

https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/commons-committees/political-and-constitutional-reform/The-UK-Constitution.pdf

[oldschooler]

21 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

interesting fantasy.

for now, reality looks like this:

Putin May Collect $321 Billion Windfall If Oil and Gas Keep Flowing

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-01/putin-may-collect-321-billion-windfall-if-oil-gas-keep-flowing

by the way, this amount is roughly equal to the sum of Russia's frozen reserves . Starting next year, Putin will be in the black.

Subject is Peace in Ukraine not Economics. That “ windfall” won’t cover a third of the Ukraine Reparations bill to Russia.

All Tyrants inevitably make their final lethal miscalculation. Putin  walked into the NATO Ukraine Bear Trap.  No Escape for Russia. Xi will do same re. Taiwan …….

[butterfly]

34 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

but I know for sure that there is no constitution

the Queen is the constitution, it's basically the history and practices of the past royal leaders

[KRLMRX]

19 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Russians outside Russia are subject only to diplomatic protection by Russia NOT Physical State Intervention

 

just for information...in what ways are the Russians worse than the Kosovars, for example, whom NATO protected PHYSICALLY by illegally invading Yugoslavia in 1999 and killing between 500 and 2500 civilians?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_during_Operation_Allied_Force#:~:text=In 1999%2C it was estimated,a result of NATO bombing.

 

[KRLMRX]

29 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/commons-committees/politic-and-constitutional-reform/The-UK-Constitution.pdf

someone lost the constitution...

[KRLMRX]

32 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Subject is Peace in Ukraine not Economics

then what does Xi and CCP have to do with it?

 

34 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

All Tyrants inevitably make their final lethal miscalculation

Is the queen ready to atone for sins and pay reparations?

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

foxnews? seriously?

https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/165627/ukrainians-return-fight-russia-invasion
 

We can do this all day as there are dozens of these stories. The only fantasy was you thinking it wasn’t true. 

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

by the way, this amount is roughly equal to the sum of Russia's frozen reserves . Starting next year, Putin will be in the black.

You do realize that article says “if the oil keeps flowing” - Russian oil sales collapsed toward the end of March. It’s why Russia is offering historic discounts and still can’t find buyers. Also keep in mind Halliburton, Baker Hughes and others left Russia last week. Russian oil production will be half of what it is now in 6 months. That’s only if they aren’t forced to turn off the wells this month because of a lack of sales and storage. If that happens, you can cut that half in half again as it will take decades to bring those wells back on line. Spend the windfall wisely, don’t go blowing it on things like wars and lining the pockets of Putin’s buddies. 

[KRLMRX]

11 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

You do realize that article says “if the oil keeps flowing” - Russian oil sales collapsed toward the end of March. It’s why Russia is offering historic discounts and still can’t find buyers. Also keep in mind Halliburton, Baker Hughes and others left Russia last week. Russian oil production will be half of what it is now in 6 months. That’s only if they aren’t forced to turn off the wells this month because of a lack of sales and storage. If that happens, you can cut that half in half again as it will take decades to bring those wells back on line. Spend the windfall wisely, don’t go blowing it on things like wars and lining the pockets of Putin’s buddies. 

judging by the fact that the Saudis sent Biden to hell with his proposals to increase production, there is some kind of agreement, don't you think?

so your prediction looks very unlikely.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/13/white-house-us-joe-biden-oil-output-prices-saudi-arabia-uae

 

Edited April 2, 2022 by KRLMRX

[EdwardV]

28 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

so your prediction looks very unlikely.

I’m failing to see the link between what the Saudi’s do or don’t do with future Russian oil production. Help me out, thanks. (BTW, the Saudis don’t even like the Russians, just saying).