News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES: Russia relents, Ukraine offers concessions at Turkey peace talks; Amnesty decries Russian war crimes

[oldschooler]

15 minutes ago, Fanta said:

You think Ukrainian claims are presumed to be 99% true unless proven otherwise while Russian claims are the exact opposite. You deny the use of propaganda by Ukraine or NATO and deny any bias favoring Ukraine by Western media. And anyone that questions the Ukrainian & NATO messages is supportive of Russia.

That is neither fair or logical. 

Didn’t talk about Ukrainian reports. 
NATO don’t use “ propaganda”. 
Question western accounts based on what ? Russian Lies ? 

Understand …..Western Reports are ACCOUNTABLE  so require Truth. Russian & Ukrainian Reports are NOT so DONT.
 

Of course Victim Ukraine is “ favoured” over Murderous Aggressor Russia. Russia has No Friends to favour them

[butterfly]

27 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

And for example, there is Dresden destroyed by US and UK air forces along with the inhabitants, it’s good that they weren’t raped:

speaking of war crimes, the bombing of Dresden was definitely one

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

The issue of Donbass has already been resolved, it will become part of Russia.

The leadership of the DPR and LPR have already announced that they will soon hold a referendum, such things are not done without coordination with the Russian Federation.  

The same fate, perhaps, awaits Kherson, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Sumy and Kharkov, or they will become an independent state from Kyiv.

Not Before Russia Bleeds Out and Every Last Ukrainian Fighter Dead.
Non-Russians  will never accept these puppet states and illegal referendums. 

[Alavan]

Must be fake news. Can't be true. Russians don't do that.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

military Donbass are fighting together with the military of Russia against the military of Ukraine.  there is no guerrilla war of the inhabitants of Donbass against Russia.

Russia hold only minority part of Donbass…. for now. Hearing many Russians don’t want to live under Putins Collaborator Puppets …. most for sure of the 8 million Ukrainian Ethnic Russians…..

[oldschooler]

11 minutes ago, butterfly said:

speaking of war crimes, the bombing of Dresden was definitely one

Wrong again. Intl law court said not. legitimate Total War action…. entire Russian WW 2 advance from Moscow to Berlin was one huge rolling war crime…..as we know the victors got  to prosecute the losers in those days …not other way around like now ….ICC.

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, Stardust said:

So you are supporting child abuses, taking children as hostages and put them on tanks and trucks as shields? Nothing can apologize it and shows your mindset!

Yeah making fun of such treatment of innocent kids is pure evil …. Like Russian Military of course who carried this out….. 

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

this is how the manipulation of consciousness and incitement of hatred happens.  

You've been told a story without any evidence, and you hate a certain group of people even more.

admittedly might be untrue & sounds unlikely buts fits general inhumane behaviour of Russian Forces 

[Fester]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

maybe. For you.

but the residents of Berdyansk will definitely recognize the building of the city administration.

and pro-Russian citizens will definitely recognize in the man with the flag the previously very famous russian singer Chicherina, who has been supporting Donbass for many years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Chicherina

here she is, a couple of weeks ago, taking down the ukranians flag in the Russian-occupied city of Energodar

Aha! The old bag again. Russian of course, not Ukrainian. Previously famous but now infamous for radical  interference with a sovereign country and its flag (rings a bell).

Deafening support from the massed throngs in the streets in both videos I see - oh wait - crap, where did her fans go? 

[Marble-eye]

3 minutes ago, Transam said:

If it were, then the bombing of London was also one, and let's not forget all the other cities all over Europe and the USSR that were bombed and shelled by an aggressor.

Now we have something similar happening, the Russians targeting anything in the Ukraine to accomplish a  capitulation..

But it seems the Russians, at present, have been shown up to be amateurs.   

I wouldn't mind betting that nobody has mentioned to Putin that Ukranian farmers are stealing Russian tanks.

[Fester]

2 hours ago, butterfly said:

yes, an army of amateurs is not really a good way to defend yourself

that said, Putin also used sacrificial amateurs for the first phase of the invasion, maybe as a test of resistance before bringing the big guns and going full invasion

Zelensky needs to up his game, stop his whining Zoom tour, and start finding a real solution like a real leader would do

So all going to Vlad P's plan then? A pity he never published it, to avoid any doubt, what? 

[Fester]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

No. Saudi not the only source who can increase oil production or supply. USA just released massive oil stocks & price dropped. (Off Topic).

Not increased production - existing strategic reserve - the US should not be in this position.

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

this is a lie of the offended allies, who, a year before the victory USSR over Hitler, hastily joined the war so as not to be out of work.

And in order to somehow explain their cowardly impotence in the fight against Hitler, they came up with a myth about the cruelty of the Red Army and rape.

There are no facts to support this.

And for example, there is Dresden destroyed by US and UK air forces along with the inhabitants, it’s good that they weren’t raped:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

It is not a lie and very well documented the rapes from the russian army. Thats why the women and children try to escape to the American zones. The russian animals even raped children and grandmas and thats documented in the german history books. For sure everything us a lie what comes from Russians or Russian faked history books. The Russian liar even deny today the mass murdering of their own people from Stalin. Liars, gangsters and low life criminals that was the Russian Always and is very well document just like this low life criminal Putin. 

Maybe read one time a non russian history book and watch the interviews from the survivors in Germany of the russian rapists army. It is enough avaiable but not in english maybe have some with english subtitle. But guys like you got filled up with fake informations and russian propaganda thats why you don't anything about the reality.

[Fester]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

this is a lie of the offended allies, who, a year before the victory USSR over Hitler, hastily joined the war so as not to be out of work.

And in order to somehow explain their cowardly impotence in the fight against Hitler, they came up with a myth about the cruelty of the Red Army and rape.

There are no facts to support this.

And for example, there is Dresden destroyed by US and UK air forces along with the inhabitants, it’s good that they weren’t raped:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

And for example of what? Retaliation against the Nazi blitz. 

You need a new soapbox. 

[butterfly]

25 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Wrong again. Intl law court said not.

you don't need an international court in the post-war cahos to know intrinsically that it was indeed a war crime, above all when the "winners" are conducting the narrative

yet that doesn't stop you for claiming war crimes happened in Ukraine, without a conclusion of an international court

 

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

this is a lie of the offended allies, who, a year before the victory USSR over Hitler, hastily joined the war so as not to be out of work.

And in order to somehow explain their cowardly impotence in the fight against Hitler, they came up with a myth about the cruelty of the Red Army and rape.

There are no facts to support this.

And for example, there is Dresden destroyed by US and UK air forces along with the inhabitants, it’s good that they weren’t raped:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

It is very well documented what kind of animals and rapists the russians are nowaday, too in the Ukraine

 

 

 And much much more is documentated that I could fill up with links! Rapists, children abusing and take in histage put them as shields on tanks etc etc. 

[Fanta]

22 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

I wouldn't mind betting that nobody has mentioned to Putin that Ukranian farmers are stealing Russian tanks.

Real or fake? One war the Ukrainians are definitely winning is the social media war. btw, it was an APC not a tank. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2022/03/02/real-or-fake-video-of-farmer-stealing-russian-tank-landmine-removed-with-bare-hands-and-comparisons-of-putin-to-hitler-trending/?sh=3930d5ed43ec

[Stardust]

4 minutes ago, Stardust said:

It is very well documented what kind of animals and rapists the russians are nowaday, too in the Ukraine

 And much much more is documentated that I could fill up with links! Rapists, children abusing and take in histage put them as shields on tanks etc etc. 

A never ending list

And since the beginning of the invasion

 

[Marble-eye]

9 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Real or fake? One war the Ukrainians are definitely winning is the social media war. btw, it was an APC not a tank. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2022/03/02/real-or-fake-video-of-farmer-stealing-russian-tank-landmine-removed-with-bare-hands-and-comparisons-of-putin-to-hitler-trending/?sh=3930d5ed43ec

Oh it's only an armoured personnel carrier, that shouldn't bother Putin too much then, or would it.

[oldschooler]

13 minutes ago, butterfly said:

you don't need an international court in the post-war cahos to know intrinsically that it was indeed a war crime, above all when the "winners" are conducting the narrative

yet that doesn't stop you for claiming war crimes happened in Ukraine, without a conclusion of an international court

Russians Clearly Targeting & Shelling Apartment Blocks & Shooting Fleeing Civilians= War Crime 

Bombing Nazi Stronghold War Factory Logistics Hub Dresden to Save Allied Lives = Not War Crime.

You don’t know intl law better than the judges, 

[JohnC]

21 minutes ago, Stardust said:

It is not a lie and very well documented the rapes from the russian army. Thats why the women and children try to escape to the American zones. The russian animals even raped children and grandmas and thats documented in the german history books. For sure everything us a lie what comes from Russians or Russian faked history books. The Russian liar even deny today the mass murdering of their own people from Stalin. Liars, gangsters and low life criminals that was the Russian Always and is very well document just like this low life criminal Putin. 

Maybe read one time a non russian history book and watch the interviews from the survivors in Germany of the russian rapists army. It is enough avaiable but not in english maybe have some with english subtitle. But guys like you got filled up with fake informations and russian propaganda thats why you don't anything about the reality.

You're unbelievable 

Until the Russians try and attempt to wipe out an entire race by sending women and children to die in gas Chambers then you'd better keep quiet about WW2 instead of trying to take some kind of moral high ground

 

 

[oldschooler]

25 minutes ago, Stardust said:

It is not a lie and very well documented the rapes from the russian army. Thats why the women and children try to escape to the American zones. The russian animals even raped children and grandmas and thats documented in the german history books. For sure everything us a lie what comes from Russians or Russian faked history books. The Russian liar even deny today the mass murdering of their own people from Stalin. Liars, gangsters and low life criminals that was the Russian Always and is very well document just like this low life criminal Putin. 

Maybe read one time a non russian history book and watch the interviews from the survivors in Germany of the russian rapists army. It is enough avaiable but not in english maybe have some with english subtitle. But guys like you got filled up with fake informations and russian propaganda thats why you don't anything about the reality.

Soviets even told their people that Russia beat the Germans in WW2….. all by themselves ! USSR finished in 42 without US/ UK Supplies……

[Marble-eye]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

You're unbelievable 

Until the Russians try and attempt to wipe out an entire race by sending women and children to die in gas Chambers then you'd better keep quiet about WW2 instead of trying to take some kind of moral high ground

No John, you are unbelievable, nobody, I repeat nobody on this forum is responsible for any deaths in WW2.

[oldschooler]

Just now, JohnC said:

You're unbelievable 

Until the Russians try and attempt to wipe out an entire race by sending women and children to die in gas Chambers then you'd better keep quiet about WW2 instead of trying to take some kind of moral high ground

Stalin murdered 20 million USSR citizens in 1930s ( mainly Ukrainians) and displaced entire Ethnic Races within USSR as  ” traitors”. No Different to Hitler as Lunatic Genocidal Tyrant.. 

[oldschooler]

4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You're unbelievable 

Until the Russians try and attempt to wipe out an entire race by sending women and children to die in gas Chambers then you'd better keep quiet about WW2 instead of trying to take some kind of moral high ground

Subject is historical Russian Army Behaviour. German Nazis Gone. Russian Tyrant & Murderous Military still here…..