News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[AlexPTY]

3 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

because it was you who announced the defeat of a certain ship.  those are the rules.

agree, question more!

[KaptainRob]

Enough of the bickering folks. 

For the record, Alavan is correct in that the red/brown coloured vessel is a cargo ship, not a naval vessel.

KM's photo shows a sunken alligator class troop carrier at the end of the pier, partially obscured by black smoke.

[KRLMRX]

here, many reported that the Russian army was practically destroyed, driven back, without ammunition and even frozen.

As I said, the wrong assessment of the situation leads to erroneous decisions.

This night, several Russian cruise missiles hit a fuel depot in the city of Lviv, in the very west of Ukraine, almost on the border with Poland.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/europe/lviv-ukraine-attack-saturday-intl/index.html

 

[KRLMRX]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Someone shot the kid.

It would never have happened if Czar Putin had not illegally invaded the Ukraine.

this is the correct question. the same can be said about other invasions and their most tragic consequences - the death of civilians.

[Alavan]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

here, many reported that the Russian army was practically destroyed, driven back, without ammunition and even frozen.

As I said, the wrong assessment of the situation leads to erroneous decisions.

This night, several Russian cruise missiles hit a fuel depot in the city of Lviv, in the very west of Ukraine, almost on the border with Poland.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/europe/lviv-ukraine-attack-saturday-intl/index.html

Lviv must be a city with a high genocidal factor in the Donbas.

[vlad]

21 hours ago, JohnC said:

Has there ever been a war that just involved opposing troops fighting each other?

Well maybe in the days when they rode horses and carried swords

Apart from then all modern warfare wrongly involves innocent civilians dying

The Falklands johnC  Operation desert storm theres 2 recently where civillians were not targeted or citys flattened.

[oldschooler]

24 minutes ago, Alavan said:

Lviv must be a city with a high genocidal factor in the Donbas.

70% chance they hit a farm or didn’t explode

[vlad]

Just now, vlad said:

This is the Ship " Orsk " burning and ablaze in Berdyanks harbor. Two other Frigates can be seen fleeing the harbor. You can also see damage being done to Civillian buildings for the doubters on here look at what the mighty Russian forces are doing. Theres the link you need KRLMRX NOT fake pictures video.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

this is the correct question. the same can be said about other invasions and their most tragic consequences - the death of civilians.

So ultimately the death of that kid (and the hundred others) is the fault of Czar Putin.

Other invasions did not deliberately target civilians in built up areas. Unless you mean Chechnya. Or maybe Georgia. Oh and Syria. 

Wait. Was Czar Putin not in charge when all those wars happened as well?

[oldschooler]

55 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

they will answer you that past minor troubles should not justify today's tragedy, past invasions almost never led to the death of civilians, and if they did, then civilians deserved it by bad behavior.

Then” they” would be talking out their arse, “deserving” shooting on sight like the Nazis they are.

your Cheka Nazi  style disregard for innocent defenseless human life has reached Hitler Extermination Squad levels, as has pathetic Russian Army of course., good for nothing else ….

bad behavior” by civilians by Russian standards would I suppose mean all activities involving not surrendering to and worshipping on their knees to butchering Russians and not trusting them to kill rape torture you on whim. 

civilian non-compliance met by death sentence including babies, young kids, oldsters. Remind you of any other death worshipping cult … ISIS , AlQueda, Hamas ? Yeah it’s the same.

Russians again copying their long term Genocidal Masters, Occupiers & Idols, the Mongols. 

Russians are also Thieves by history & culture. Only way to survive when your Biggest Thief Ruler Putin holds you in utter contempt as ordinary citizen.
You do know he takes 50% of all Russian big transaction values personally……don’t you? 

Russian General Suicided when on his watch 9/10 tanks found unserviceable as cannibleized for stolen spares. 

What kind of Thief are you Karl ?

What kind of barbaric merciless culture is it that you pathetically glorify ? 
 

If not answering properly, your typical mode, can you not just shut up and clear off to your Gulag Chief day job ? 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, 23RD said:

Just a  point of note on that Vlad mate the reason for that was where both off those conflicts took place there was a lack of infrastructure and civilian population.

Especially The Falklands where the Penguin population outnumbers the human population by about a million to one.

But I bet a few hundred Penguins got taken out by direct and indirect fire back in 82.

But on a more serious note a better comparison would be Bosnia where similar most of the fighting took place in Villages,Towns  and Cities. 

No. Penguins were not taken out by either direct or indirect fire.

Do penguins live on mountains?

[Bluesofa]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

No. Penguins were not taken out by either direct or indirect fire.

Do penguins live on mountains?

Only if there's a fridge handy to stop the chocolate melting.

[Fester]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

here, many reported that the Russian army was practically destroyed, driven back, without ammunition and even frozen.

As I said, the wrong assessment of the situation leads to erroneous decisions.

This night, several Russian cruise missiles hit a fuel depot in the city of Lviv, in the very west of Ukraine, almost on the border with Poland.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/europe/lviv-ukraine-attack-saturday-intl/index.html

Cruise missiles don't care about frostbite.

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

here, many reported that the Russian army was practically destroyed, driven back, without ammunition and even frozen.

As I said, the wrong assessment of the situation leads to erroneous decisions.

This night, several Russian cruise missiles hit a fuel depot in the city of Lviv, in the very west of Ukraine, almost on the border with Poland.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/europe/lviv-ukraine-attack-saturday-intl/index.html

Losing 25% of your rustbucket untrained unsupplied ( fuel stolen again ?) failed invasion army IS by western standards “ destroyed”. Western formation with just 10% losses  (I.e. “ decimated”) would be deemed “ combat incapable” although clearly Russias army was already that pre- invasion ! ! ! Good for killing unarmed civilian old & kids though … and surrendering or deserting……

[KaptainRob]

Stay on topic please or I'll send you to the Falklands Mariupol for a holiday.

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, vlad said:

This is the Ship " Orsk " burning and ablaze in Berdyanks harbor. Two other Frigates can be seen fleeing the harbor. You can also see damage being done to Civillian buildings for the doubters on here look at what the mighty Russian forces are doing. Theres the link you need KRLMRX NOT fake pictures video.

I don't know what fake pictures video you are talking about.

I initially said that I was aware of this situation in this port.

Be careful and don't argue with yourself

[Fanta]

48 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Losing 25% of your rustbucket untrained unsupplied ( fuel stolen again ?) failed invasion army IS by western standards “ destroyed”. Western formation with just 10% losses  (I.e. “ decimated”) would be deemed “ combat incapable”

That’s just not true in either claimed losses or combat effectiveness. 

commonly used color code: GREEN indicates that the unit is at 85 percent or greater strength (combat capable); AMBER indicates that the unit is at 70 to 84 percent strength (combat capable with minor deficiencies); RED indicates that the unit is at 50 to 69 percent strength (combat ineffective, unit has major losses or deficiencies); and BLACK indicates that the unit is at less than 50 percent strength (requires reconstitution before next mission). 
 

Source: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/101-5-1/f545-aca.htm

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Fanta said:

That’s just not true in either claimed losses or combat effectiveness. 

commonly used color code: GREEN indicates that the unit is at 85 percent or greater strength (combat capable); AMBER indicates that the unit is at 70 to 84 percent strength (combat capable with minor deficiencies); RED indicates that the unit is at 50 to 69 percent strength (combat ineffective, unit has major losses or deficiencies); and BLACK indicates that the unit is at less than 50 percent strength (requires reconstitution before next mission). 
 

Source: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/101-5-1/f545-aca.htm

Thats more to do with casualties rather than losses.

You can still have zero casualties but if you lost all your fuel trucks then you are pretty much out of it.  Same with communications or command and control.

Its difficult to come up with definitive points as to when assets are no longer combat effective.  

[Fanta]

17 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Thats more to do with casualties rather than losses.

You can still have zero casualties but if you lost all your fuel trucks then you are pretty much out of it.  Same with communications or command and control.

Its difficult to come up with definitive points as to when assets are no longer combat effective.  

Incapable of combat is a loss of effectiveness as detailed above. 10% loss is destroyed oldschooler said? Glad he’s not leading any unit or the Ukrainians would have been destroyed already. Do some still believe that the Russians are out of food, fuel and munitions? Can anyone explain why the tanks are still moving forward or are they simply stranded and, if so, why aren’t they being easily destroyed as sitting ducks usually are? Where are the claimed 16,000 Russian corpses stacked up like cordwood? The floods of Russians deserters fleeing the relentless slaughter with no equipment or hope? 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Fanta
Removed you for oldschooler

[oldschooler]

10 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Thats more to do with casualties rather than losses.

You can still have zero casualties but if you lost all your fuel trucks then you are pretty much out of it.  Same with communications or command and control.

Its difficult to come up with definitive points as to when assets are no longer combat effective.  

In Russia’s case (or similar like China), as I joked, that point was actually at the pre-invasion 100% “ strength”  (or even 120%) !!! even WITH Initial Fuel Food Ammo

[vlad]

4 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Incapable of combat is a loss of effectiveness as detailed above. 10% loss is destroyed you said? Glad you’re not leading any unit. Do you still believe that the Russians are out of food, fuel and munitions? Can you explain why the tanks are still moving forward or are they simply stranded and, if so, why aren’t they being easily destroyed as sitting ducks usually are? Where are the claimed 16,000 Russian corpses stacked up like cordwood? The floods of Russians deserters fleeing the relentless slaughter with no equipment or hope? 

If the Tanks are rolling Fanta why have they not entered kiev ? or Mariupol. Or as i presume there running low breaking down due to poor maintenance or simply shit scared knowing Anti-tank missiles are ready for them.

[vlad]

38 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I don't know what fake pictures video you are talking about.

I initially said that I was aware of this situation in this port.

Be careful and don't argue with yourself

Are you Accepting now western media are reporting true facts such as A Russian Troopship being destroyed by Ukrainian forces, and has this news of the sinking been released on Russian TV ?

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Incapable of combat is a loss of effectiveness as detailed above. 10% loss is destroyed oldschooler said? Glad he’s not leading any unit or the Ukrainians would have been destroyed already. Do some still believe that the Russians are out of food, fuel and munitions? Can anyone explain why the tanks are still moving forward or are they simply stranded and, if so, why aren’t they being easily destroyed as sitting ducks usually are? Where are the claimed 16,000 Russian corpses stacked up like cordwood? The floods of Russians deserters fleeing the relentless slaughter with no equipment or hope? 

But the tanks are not moving forward. Indeed in some places they are being forced back. In other areas they are digging in.

How long has the Russian forces been held outside Kyiv? They cant even encircle it.

Mariupol has been encircled for weeks yet Russian forces cannot take it.

Face it. The offensive has bogged down. Hence all the talk of chemical or indeed strategic nukes? Its desperate times for Czar Putin. He knows there is no way he is coming out of this as a winner.

His economy is trashed. His army is screwed and he has virtually no way of fixing any of this. 

[KRLMRX]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So ultimately the death of that kid (and the hundred others) is the fault of Czar Putin.

Other invasions did not deliberately target civilians in built up areas. Unless you mean Chechnya. Or maybe Georgia. Oh and Syria. 

Wait. Was Czar Putin not in charge when all those wars happened as well?

ultimately, not in a particular person, but in the system of relations between people, primarily industrial relations.  

this invasion also does not target civilians, otherwise we would see millions of victims in a country of 40 million.  

What prevented the Russian army to strike at the residential areas of Lvov tonight, and not at the fuel and lubricants base?

[23RD]

5 minutes ago, Fanta said:

Incapable of combat is a loss of effectiveness as detailed above. 10% loss is destroyed you said? Glad you’re not leading any unit. Do you still believe that the Russians are out of food, fuel and munitions? Can you explain why the tanks are still moving forward or are they simply stranded and, if so, why aren’t they being easily destroyed as sitting ducks usually are? Where are the claimed 16,000 Russian corpses stacked up like cordwood? The floods of Russians deserters fleeing the relentless slaughter with no equipment or hope? 

Excellent point Fanta The Russians planned this incursion for months if their worth their salt they probably they would have carried out Planning exercises, table top exercises,ROC drills,  planned for  the  best and worse  case scenarios  and as seen on numerous channels  conducted rehearsals on the Russian and Belarus side of the Border prior to the start of hostilities. 

I don't their believe their running out of fuel ammo and rations as Russian and Belarus border Ukraine and their MSR's are open 

Also casualty figures well over inflated 16'000 dead Russians that would be a massive attrition rate.

They reached their stage 1 objectives probably a lot later than they wanted due to the excellent prior planning and preparation of the Ukrainian Military. 

To many Civillian pundits on the TV talking about things they don't know about.