News Forum - Swiss man arrested for allegedly beating a man to death, claiming self-defence

[Fluke]

2 minutes ago, Stonker said:

No, I don't think anything remotely like that nor have I ever suggested there was any "collusion" between the two men as you're now suggesting I have.

Your comprehension skills are clearly surpassed by your imagination.

We don't seem to be communicating on an intellectual level , seems rather basic low level conversation . 

   "Oh yes you did "

"Oh no I didnt" kind of thing 

[Stonker]

13 minutes ago, Fluke said:

I merely suggested some possibilities ...

No, that was far from what you said, which was to describe any possibility of "collusion" between husband and wife as "highly unlikely":

2 hours ago, Fluke said:

Its highly unlikely that the Swiss can colluded with either  of the two Thais , and its a possibility that the two Thais colluded

Maybe you forgot.

[Stonker]

3 minutes ago, Fluke said:

We don't seem to be communicating on an intellectual level , seems rather basic low level conversation . 

   "Oh yes you did "

"Oh no I didnt" kind of thing 

No, we're discussing what you wrote, which was as bigoted as it was absurd,  although you evidently wish we weren't.

There's not much room for "Oh no I didn't" when what you wrote is clearly there!

[katana]

In Khasod (04/10/21), the mother of the deceased Thai man, 74 year-old Mrs Janthonkhantree, is reported as saying she doesn't believe her son had been attempting to rob the Swiss man, 63 year-old Rudolf Joseph Rothe (names transliterated from Thai).
She revealed that her son and the Swiss man's Thai wife had been having an affair for the last 2-3 years and that on the night of the death the wife had phoned her son and told him to come over.
She said her son was a farmer and odd jobs man and had brought the Swiss man's wife over to the village on 3-4 occasions previously where he took her to a hut in his rice fields.
She asked for stories in the media about the motive for the incident being robbery to be corrected since it tarnished her family's name. They had got into a fight after the wife called him over and the doctor has revealed he died from a ruptured liver sustained during the fight.
However, the deceased's uncle, 65 year-old Thawon Phumphet, gave more details. The deceased had been previously married with children but had separated after he started seeing the Swiss man's wife with his previous wife moving to BKK, unable to tolerate the affair. He like to drink and party with his numerous friends. The uncle added he had seen the gun before which was registered and the deceased had bought secondhand 1 year previously. One month ago the deceased had sold 2 rai of land for 400K Baht so he wasn't in need of money and he didn't believe robbery was the motive. Rather the two of them got into a fight after he came round to see the wife.
The husband has been released on 300K Baht bail with the stipulation he can't leave Thailand during the investigation.

[Stonker]

24 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Maybe both Thais thought the Swiss guy would pay up and they didn't expect him to fight back.

Maybe they both thought "the Swiss guy" was blind as well and wouldn't recognise him !

[Fluke]

4 minutes ago, Stonker said:

No, that was far from what you said, which was to describe any possibility of "collusion" between husband and wife as "highly unlikely":

Maybe you forgot.

Yes, I really dont think that the Swiss guy would have colluded with his Thai Wife and arranged the robbery in which he killed the culprit . There is the possibility they the deceased Thai guy and the Thai Wife , who were in some kind of friendship/ relationship , may have colluded together for some reason .

   Maybe the Swiss guy arrived home early and the Thai guy was already in the house ?

  Time will tell though . 

[Stonker]

22 minutes ago, hondo said:

that must have been a pretty small and frail thai guy.

There are so many holes in this story, as reportedly claimed, it makes no credible sense at all.

[Fluke]

4 minutes ago, katana said:

In Khasod (04/10/21), the mother of the deceased Thai man, 74 year-old Mrs Janthonkhantree, is reported as saying she doesn't believe her son had been attempting to rob the Swiss man, 63 year-old Rudolf Joseph Rothe (names transliterated from Thai).
She revealed that her son and the Swiss man's Thai wife had been having an affair for the last 2-3 years and that on the night of the death the wife had phoned her son and told him to come over.
She said her son was a farmer and odd jobs man and had brought the Swiss man's wife over to the village on 3-4 occasions previously where he took her to a hut in his rice fields.
She asked for stories in the media about the motive for the incident being robbery to be corrected since it tarnished her family's name. They had got into a fight after the wife called him over and the doctor has revealed he died from a ruptured liver sustained during the fight.
However, the deceased's uncle, 65 year-old Thawon Phumphet, gave more details. The deceased had been previously married with children but had separated after he started seeing the Swiss man's wife with his previous wife moving to BKK, unable to tolerate the affair. He like to drink and party with his numerous friends. The uncle added he had seen the gun before which was registered and the deceased had bought secondhand 1 year previously. One month ago the deceased had sold 2 rai of land for 400K Baht so he wasn't in need of money and he didn't believe robbery was the motive. Rather the two of them got into a fight after he came round to see the wife.
The husband has been released on 300K Baht bail with the stipulation he can't leave Thailand during the investigation.

Thanks , seems to make more sense .

The Swiss guy now has real problems , seems like he murdered a guy who was having a relationship with his Wife 

[Stonker]

5 minutes ago, katana said:

In Khasod (04/10/21), the mother of the deceased Thai man, 74 year-old Mrs Janthonkhantree, is reported as saying she doesn't believe her son had been attempting to rob the Swiss man, 63 year-old Rudolf Joseph Rothe (names transliterated from Thai).
She revealed that her son and the Swiss man's Thai wife had been having an affair for the last 2-3 years and that on the night of the death the wife had phoned her son and told him to come over.
She said her son was a farmer and odd jobs man and had brought the Swiss man's wife over to the village on 3-4 occasions previously where he took her to a hut in his rice fields.
She asked for stories in the media about the motive for the incident being robbery to be corrected since it tarnished her family's name. They had got into a fight after the wife called him over and the doctor has revealed he died from a ruptured liver sustained during the fight.
However, the deceased's uncle, 65 year-old Thawon Phumphet, gave more details. The deceased had been previously married with children but had separated after he started seeing the Swiss man's wife with his previous wife moving to BKK, unable to tolerate the affair. He like to drink and party with his numerous friends. The uncle added he had seen the gun before which was registered and the deceased had bought secondhand 1 year previously. One month ago the deceased had sold 2 rai of land for 400K Baht so he wasn't in need of money and he didn't believe robbery was the motive. Rather the two of them got into a fight after he came round to see the wife.
The husband has been released on 300K Baht bail with the stipulation he can't leave Thailand during the investigation.

Thanks, @katana, that makes a lot more sense, and raises a lot more possibilities - probably not for @Fluke, though.

[Lawyers_Guns_and_Money]

8 hours ago, Thaiger said:

A 63 year old Swiss man was arrested for allegedly beating a Thai man to death. Police say the Swiss national, identified as Rudolf, told officers that the man had come to his home, pointed a gun at his head, and demanded money. Officers say Rudolf confessed to beating the man, but did not intend to kill him, adding that he had acted out of self-defence. Police were called to the Swiss man’s home in Udon Thani just after midnight Sunday morning and found 53 year old Sathien Chantarakhantri’s body in the kitchen. A report from Pattaya News says the […]

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I'll be curious to how this will eventually turn into a vilification of deplorable Americans. 

[JamesE]

5 hours ago, gummy said:

Are you on the same page ? what burglary, no mention of one

Burglary just covers the "entering of the home uninvited with or without a gun" part.

 

[Stonker]

50 minutes ago, JamesE said:

Burglary just covers the "entering of the home uninvited with or without a gun" part.

It looks as if he was probably just invited over by the wife for an evening of fun and frolicking which all went badly wrong when the husband turned up unexpectedly ... or the wife had made a choice and was going to let her two partner's know who was the chosen one ... or  ... anybody's guess ...

300,000 baht bail for something this  potentially  serious sounds like an invitation to please leave ASP - again, anybody's guess why ... 

[Fluke]

28 minutes ago, Stonker said:

It looks as if he was probably just invited over by the wife for an evening of fun and frolicking which all went badly wrong when the husband turned up unexpectedly ... or the wife had made a choice and was going to let her two partner's know who was the chosen one ... or  ... anybody's guess ...

300,000 baht bail for something this  potentially  serious sounds like an invitation to please leave ASP - again, anybody's guess why ... 

Yes, it sounds like it was some sort of collaboration between the two Thais , with the Swiss guy getting shot, killed and body disposed off and the two lovebirds living happily ever after . Things didn't go as planned when the Thai guy couldn't shot straight , possibly , time will tell 

[JamesE]

2 hours ago, Stonker said:

It looks as if he was probably just invited over by the wife for an evening of fun and frolicking which all went badly wrong when the husband turned up unexpectedly ... or the wife had made a choice and was going to let her two partner's know who was the chosen one ... or  ... anybody's guess ...

300,000 baht bail for something this  potentially  serious sounds like an invitation to please leave ASP - again, anybody's guess why ... 

My question about this narrative is: Why was he packing heat?

1 hour ago, Fluke said:

Yes, it sounds like it was some sort of collaboration between the two Thais , with the Swiss guy getting shot, killed and body disposed off and the two lovebirds living happily ever after . Things didn't go as planned when the Thai guy couldn't shot straight , possibly , time will tell 

Somebody needs to get the movie rights. This sounds more plausible.

[MikeTexas]

always something interesting going on in Thailand

 

 

Edited October 4, 2021 by MikeTexas
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[MikeTexas]

7 hours ago, Stonker said:

He very probably did die while tied up - there would hardly have been any point tying him up after he was dead!

depends..

[MikeTexas]

13 hours ago, gummy said:

13 hours ago, gummy said:

Not quite sure how it could be claimed as self defence if the victim was tied up. After all if he was unconscious/dead there would have been no need to tie him up. 

 

7 hours ago, Stonker said:

He very probably did die while tied up - there would hardly have been any point tying him up after he was dead!

 

Thanks Stonker, that was kind of my point when I was commenting on Gummy's post, well more specifically, that tying him up after the injury could have been for safety in case he regained his senses. But your input was helpful. 

[stuhan]

11 hours ago, Stonker said:

There's a world of difference between defending yourself and tying someone up and beating them to death.

Reasonable force is what they call it in the uk, when he had tied him up he should have called the police not beaten him to death.That way he would not have lost his defense case against a Thai.

[gummy]

1 hour ago, stuhan said:

Reasonable force is what they call it in the uk, when he had tied him up he should have called the police not beaten him to death.That way he would not have lost his defense case against a Thai.

How do you know he was tied up and then beaten to death ? 

[stuhan]

32 minutes ago, gummy said:

How do you know he was tied up and then beaten to death ? 

I assume thats what happend, if he was killed beforehand why bother tying  him up after he's already dead,unless he was afraid it would turn into a zombie

Good point though Gummy

[kalyan]

Rudolph is disposed for ever !

1 hit two mangoes !

[koute]

10 hours ago, katana said:

In Khasod (04/10/21), the mother of the deceased Thai man, 74 year-old Mrs Janthonkhantree, is reported as saying she doesn't believe her son had been attempting to rob the Swiss man, 63 year-old Rudolf Joseph Rothe (names transliterated from Thai).
She revealed that her son and the Swiss man's Thai wife had been having an affair for the last 2-3 years and that on the night of the death the wife had phoned her son and told him to come over.
She said her son was a farmer and odd jobs man and had brought the Swiss man's wife over to the village on 3-4 occasions previously where he took her to a hut in his rice fields.
She asked for stories in the media about the motive for the incident being robbery to be corrected since it tarnished her family's name. They had got into a fight after the wife called him over and the doctor has revealed he died from a ruptured liver sustained during the fight.
However, the deceased's uncle, 65 year-old Thawon Phumphet, gave more details. The deceased had been previously married with children but had separated after he started seeing the Swiss man's wife with his previous wife moving to BKK, unable to tolerate the affair. He like to drink and party with his numerous friends. The uncle added he had seen the gun before which was registered and the deceased had bought secondhand 1 year previously. One month ago the deceased had sold 2 rai of land for 400K Baht so he wasn't in need of money and he didn't believe robbery was the motive. Rather the two of them got into a fight after he came round to see the wife.
The husband has been released on 300K Baht bail with the stipulation he can't leave Thailand during the investigation.

lol... exactly my thoughts the first 5 sec.

[Russellprout]

18 hours ago, gummy said:

Not quite sure how it could be claimed as self defence if the victim was tied up. After all if he was unconscious/dead there would have been no need to tie him up. 

He was only tied up AFTER the self defense. I would have tied him up as well. What would have happened if he regained consciousness? Its the same as Police handcuffing someone so they are no longer a threat.

[gummy]

2 minutes ago, koute said:

She asked for stories in the media about the motive for the incident being robbery to be corrected since it tarnished her family's name.

Yeh right, so publicly admitting that your son was shagging the wife of a married man is not tarnishing the families good name then ? 

[gummy]

1 minute ago, Russellprout said:

He was only tied up AFTER the self defense. I would have tied him up as well. What would have happened if he regained consciousness? Its the same as Police handcuffing someone so they are no longer a threat.

Do police handcuff dead bodies ? please lets us know with some facts.