Afghanistan Has Fallen

[9S_]

53 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

Trump is a man of deceit, foul play, a traitor to his nation, and a man so lacking in compassion, character, allegiance, loyalty, kindness, generosity, fidelity, heart and soul. He is morally bankrupt

Donald Trump has donated his entire presidential salary except 1% to various causes such as assistance veterans and veteran hospitals. 
 

Before president he saved the New York ice skating rink. He repaired it faster and cheaper than what the city sent out a contract bid for

While riding in his limo, he ended up with a flat tire. Some rando passerby came in and helped him fix it. Trump asked to the man: what should I give you? The man replied: a bouquet for my wife. When the man got home he found out Trump paid for his entire mortgage

56 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

There is no doubt that Trump is the opposite of a patriot, there is no doubt that Trump is a coward and a traitor, who will sell out his nation to despotic dictators, and who will deny aid to faithful allies

Under the Trump administration, Trump has secured the rescue of more hostages than the previous administration. The ones Biden left behind. Trump also secured the remains of deceased American soldiers left behind from previous administrations. Trumps theme song? God Bless the USA. Trump earned the endorsement of veterans, police officers and first responders. 
 

Trump stopped in Putin’s tracks to build an express pipeline from Russia to Germany. Knowing full well that if Russia completes it, it will be of tremendous benefit to Putin. He put sanctions on anyone, both ally and foe, who helped construct it. Biden reneged on it. Now Putin has a lucrative pipeline to Germany

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

who will deny aid to faithful allies

During the Obama and Biden administration they denied lethal weapons to Ukraine in their fight against Russia. Biden only sent in blankets and canned food

Trump? He sent in Anti-tank Missile, weapons and mortars to truly counter Russian aggression 

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

Thankfully the orange stain was gloriously ushered out of Washington to a life of humiliation, a completely radioactive name that nobody in their right mind is ever going to want to touch, and a crumbling mini empire. That is just what he deserves, that is what he's worked hard for and that is something that the world will celebrate. There is no honor in his game.

Meanwhile Biden is overseeing the fall of Afghanistan. And like Bidens foreign policies as seen as taking out Gaddafi which ushered in an unprecedented refugee crisis in the Mediterranean as well as open air slave markets. Along with rushing to leave Iraq which saw the rampage of ISIS. Where they committed genocide against the Yazidi people, beheading prisoners, kidnapping and raping American NGOs and western journalists. 

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

Only the most ardent supporters of this man will continue to defend him in the face of these accusations. They are totally in character with who the man is and virtually everything we know about him. They are in character with many statements that he's made about John McCain who was a genuine American hero, and quite a few other generals and military Intelligence people, who have worked for him.

Trump is well loved in the US military. He’s earned countless of cheers from the men and women in the armed forces. By vast margins veterans support Trump. 

 

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

Then there are the 125 environmental rules and safeguards that Trump weakened or rolled back in his time in office. Only 17 of the 89 that were legally challenged have received rulings in favor. The Tongass National Forest in Alaska was about to be opened to logging, and he also weakened the Clean Air Act and the Endangered Species Act.

And as a result thousands of jobs have been created and the US for the first time ever had the lowest carbon emissions than any developed nation. All under Trumps watch. 

[9S_]

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

I hope and pray that Trump becomes less relevant over time. After all, few like a loser, and he has literally redefined what losing means. Nearly anything with Trump's name on it, and his association with it, fails. And that will be even more so, now that he has left the White House. His name will remain radioactive, the the rest of his life, and the mini empire will continue to dwindle. He lost 17 major businesses. He lost 19 merchandising deals, since being elected. He lost the trade war with China, and the negotiations with Kim. He lost the presidential election, lost more than 60 legal challenges to the result, lost his bid to overturn the electoral college, lost control of the Senate and lost an impeachment trial 43-57, though he was spared conviction on a technicality. With the latest Supreme Court decision, Trump lost yet again – with potentially far-reaching consequences. What part of being a loser don't his supporters understand?

In the 2020 election, Trump and his party lost control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives.
“That has not happened in a single four years under a president since [former President] Herbert Hoover,”

The supreme court rejected an attempt by his lawyers to block Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan district attorney (DA) in New York, from enforcing a subpoena to obtain eight years of his personal and corporate tax records.

McConnell at least showed some moral fiber by speaking the truth. Trump wanted Pence to be whacked. Some sense of loyalty, this orange stain showed.

Hitch your wagon to a charlatan, a liar, a psychopath. The future of the GOP is bleak. The GOP senate will do anything to avoid losing those potential 74 million votes. Integrity, honor, courage, grace, patriotism? All missing. Hedging their bets, over doing the right thing? Zombie souls.

Corporate America is adding its weight in response to the insurgency at the Capitol building on January 6, and are pulling out from any association with the Trump brand after the storming of the capitol incidentwhich economists say will have a profound medium and long-term effect on his business interests. Recently, Signature Bank closed Trump’s personal accounts and the PGA of America stopped plans to hold its 2022 championship at Mr. Trump’s New Jersey golf course.

Such a parting of ways signals the business community’s weariness in being associated with a political figure that has attracted worldwide attention and is indicative of what may happen to the Trump brand. The president’s role in the incident, confirmed by his impeachment by the House this week, has gained criticism from the Business Roundtable to the AFL-CIO labour federation.

Michael D’Antonio, the author of a Trump biography, says the capitol incident has been a game-changer for the support of extreme politics.

“Trump’s name is really an albatross. He is the most disgraced president in history. This is a person who’s synonymous with a mob attacking the US Capitol. I just think this went a step too far.”

Other experts like Tim Calkins, a marketing professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management, say Trump’s brand will inevitably suffer long-term.

“Before his term, Trump stood for wealth, success and over-the-top luxury. Now the brand has associations with anti-government views, racism and extremism. This makes the brand fairly toxic.”

Let us hope his brand continues to diminish, his name continues to spiral into oblivion, his empire continues to dwindle, and his family continues to become less relevant by the day. I do not wish ill on many people. However, after four years of human wrecking ball behavior, chaos, the spread of Covid (which could have been largely contained in the US, had he been a responsible leader and citizen), the destructive trade war with China, his losses with Kim and Putin, countless foreign policy blunders, his sycophantic behavior with the murderous MBS, and his continual upheaval, the fake law and order nonsense, the fake electoral fraud nonsense, his lack of loyalty to his nation, and his efforts to start both a civil and a cultural war, I do not have any kind feelings towards this man, or his family, and do not wish them well, on any level. I am thrilled he is gone. There is an adult leading America now. A capable man of dignity, kindness, generosity of spirit, and grace.
 

[mcambl61]

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

I hope and pray that Trump becomes less relevant over time. After all, few like a loser, and he has literally redefined what losing means. Nearly anything with Trump's name on it, and his association with it, fails. And that will be even more so, now that he has left the White House. His name will remain radioactive, the the rest of his life, and the mini empire will continue to dwindle. He lost 17 major businesses. He lost 19 merchandising deals, since being elected. He lost the trade war with China, and the negotiations with Kim. He lost the presidential election, lost more than 60 legal challenges to the result, lost his bid to overturn the electoral college, lost control of the Senate and lost an impeachment trial 43-57, though he was spared conviction on a technicality. With the latest Supreme Court decision, Trump lost yet again – with potentially far-reaching consequences. What part of being a loser don't his supporters understand?

In the 2020 election, Trump and his party lost control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives.
“That has not happened in a single four years under a president since [former President] Herbert Hoover,”

The supreme court rejected an attempt by his lawyers to block Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan district attorney (DA) in New York, from enforcing a subpoena to obtain eight years of his personal and corporate tax records.

McConnell at least showed some moral fiber by speaking the truth. Trump wanted Pence to be whacked. Some sense of loyalty, this orange stain showed.

Hitch your wagon to a charlatan, a liar, a psychopath. The future of the GOP is bleak. The GOP senate will do anything to avoid losing those potential 74 million votes. Integrity, honor, courage, grace, patriotism? All missing. Hedging their bets, over doing the right thing? Zombie souls.

Corporate America is adding its weight in response to the insurgency at the Capitol building on January 6, and are pulling out from any association with the Trump brand after the storming of the capitol incidentwhich economists say will have a profound medium and long-term effect on his business interests. Recently, Signature Bank closed Trump’s personal accounts and the PGA of America stopped plans to hold its 2022 championship at Mr. Trump’s New Jersey golf course.

Such a parting of ways signals the business community’s weariness in being associated with a political figure that has attracted worldwide attention and is indicative of what may happen to the Trump brand. The president’s role in the incident, confirmed by his impeachment by the House this week, has gained criticism from the Business Roundtable to the AFL-CIO labour federation.

Michael D’Antonio, the author of a Trump biography, says the capitol incident has been a game-changer for the support of extreme politics.

“Trump’s name is really an albatross. He is the most disgraced president in history. This is a person who’s synonymous with a mob attacking the US Capitol. I just think this went a step too far.”

Other experts like Tim Calkins, a marketing professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management, say Trump’s brand will inevitably suffer long-term.

“Before his term, Trump stood for wealth, success and over-the-top luxury. Now the brand has associations with anti-government views, racism and extremism. This makes the brand fairly toxic.”

Let us hope his brand continues to diminish, his name continues to spiral into oblivion, his empire continues to dwindle, and his family continues to become less relevant by the day. I do not wish ill on many people. However, after four years of human wrecking ball behavior, chaos, the spread of Covid (which could have been largely contained in the US, had he been a responsible leader and citizen), the destructive trade war with China, his losses with Kim and Putin, countless foreign policy blunders, his sycophantic behavior with the murderous MBS, and his continual upheaval, the fake law and order nonsense, the fake electoral fraud nonsense, his lack of loyalty to his nation, and his efforts to start both a civil and a cultural war, I do not have any kind feelings towards this man, or his family, and do not wish them well, on any level. I am thrilled he is gone. There is an adult leading America now. A capable man of dignity, kindness, generosity of spirit, and grace.
 

Well your hoping and praying have failed. He's getting more popular with every single leftist policy that gets announced. 

He will be the single most influential person in politics as the woke jokes and "democratic" socialists keep playing ignorant identity politics that judge everything by the ethnicity and skin color. And to top it all off, the dismantling of law and order...a perfect storm of leftist lunacy. 

And then add in the attempted destruction of the energy industry and rising inflation. 

 

Pucker up sunshine. 

[longwood50]

2 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

Trump is a man of deceit, foul play, a traitor to his nation, and a man so lacking in compassion, character, allegiance, loyalty, kindness, generosity, fidelity, heart and soul. He is morally bankrupt.

 

In 1986 Annabell Hill’s husband committed suicide to save the family farm. But insurance money was not sufficient to stop the foreclosure; Trump stepped in and paid off the mortgage.

Trump’s generous checks made a huge difference in the lives of 11-year-old Megan who struggled with brittle bone disease and New York bus driver, Darnell Barton, who saved a woman from jumping off a bridge. Trump rewarded the "black" bus driver with a $10,000 check. 

Commercial airlines refused to accommodate three-year old Andrew Ten’s extensive medical equipment. Trump used his private plane to fly the sick child from Los Angeles to New York for much needed medical treatment. He did so free

Sgt. Andrew Tamoressi spent seven months in a Mexican jail for accidentally crossing the US-Mexico border. Trump announced he would give him $25,000 to get his life back on track This was verified as completed by Snopes

 

Melissa Consin Young, 2005 Miss Wisconsin, struggled with an incurable illness. Trump handwrote her a letter of encouragement and ensured that her Mexican-American son would graduate from college. He paid for the son's college education. 

Trump bought a segregated club in Palm Beach and then sued the city to open it to Jews and Blacks. This is documented. 

When Jennifer Hudson’s family was murdered in 2008, Trump sheltered her at his hotel for free.

And don’t forget, Trump donated his presidential salary.

Now show me just one act of kindness and generosity shown by Obama or Biden? 

This is a picture of Barrack Obama's home and that of his brother.  Barrack a multi multi millionaire has not sent a single penny to his brother.  Talk about compassion 

Trump is not a perfect man, but compared to the compassion and generosity of Obama, Biden and for that matter Clinton, he is a Mother Teresa saint. 

https://townhall.com/columnists/lizcrokin/2016/07/10/trump-does-the-unthinkable-n2190160

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by longwood50

[Stonker]

On 8/16/2021 at 12:37 AM, Benroon said:

So after spending a humungous $778 BILLION dollars, according to the US dept of defence, to get one man the americans have left their usual chaos ! 

Just to be clear, that was only the US military cost.

The overall cost to the US is estimated at two trillion dollars - that's around $10,000 per American man, woman and child.

The cost of the lives lost is incalculable.

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[longwood50]

4 hours ago, billyburi said:

America did not win WW2 longwood50 They came in 2 years after it started, many commonwealth Country's joined into defeat the Reich not America alone.

LOL revisionist history.  The Germans and Japanese were winning the war.  Even prior to the U.S. entry into WWII the USA was providing  through the 1941 Lend Lease program  the necessary war materials to continue to fight.  Without those weapons the Allies would have been without the ability to fight the Germans. Consider the only nations with significant military capabilities were France and England.  France was already defeated and really contributed almost nothing to the war effort leaving England to pretty much be the only major line of defense. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/darkest-hour/britain-on-the-brink/

If it was not for the USA coming in and tipping the scales the Allies would have lost and Hitler would not have a to defend both the Eastern and Western fronts.  

Hitler made a mistake in attacking Russia but he could have survived that had it not been for the USA forces.  Had Germany waited two more years to start the war they would have been undebatable.  Instead those who sacrificed their lives on Normandy and Dunkirk get to see their descendants give away their borders, language and culture to others voluntarily.  
 

Edited August 17, 2021 by longwood50

[longwood50]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

hour ago, MrStretch said:

Completely disagree.

It was the fault of the Afghanis.  If their society and organizations weren't so completely riddled with corruption, then an Army might have been built.

The failure on the part of the Americans, as well as the Russians, the British and everyone else dating back to Alexander the Great is that no one has determined a way for the tribes of Afghanistan to live in harmony and for the better good of their so-called country.

Place the blame where it lies, in the hearts and minds of the Afghanis.

Blame the Americans for wasting 20 years of their blood, sweat and money, but the Taliban takeover should not be laid at their feet.

So riddled by corruption.  Name one country who isn't riddled with corruption.  I can certainly tell you the USA is among the most corrupt nations on earth but its corruption is more sophisticated than other countries.  

The Romans learned 2,000 years ago when occupying Israel that it is impossible to "win" or govern with an local population that wants you out.  Their answer to the problem is the only solution.  The Romans leveled Israel, sold Jews into slavery and banished the remainder of the population.  The USA since Korea has never had the will to unmercifully crush and destroy an enemy.  Then again, I am not sure they ever really wanted to.  The munitions makers and manufacturers of tanks, planes, and bombs like a war that continues for two decades.  Kind of like a dermatologist.  They never want their patient cured, just keep coming back for more treatments. 

Anyone with a ounce of common sense would have looked at the experience that Russia had in Afghanistan and knew that the fragmented cells of fighters and rugged terrain would make prosecuting a war impossible.  Additionally, Afghanistan was the whipping boy for 9/11 attacks.  In fact of the hijackers 15 were Saudi, 2 United Arab Emirates, 1 Lebanese, and 1 Egyptian.  The 9/11 attacks were just a pretense for war not any different than Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction. 

Bottom line, you can not enter a war intending to "win" it whatever that means and use a "measured" response.  A country has to make life so awful for the country's citizens that they implore surrender.  In Afghanistan the locals feared the Taliban more than the U.S. military and hence they supported them. 

[Fester]

4 hours ago, longwood50 said:

Checkmate

Checkmate? You remind me of another plonker on TV that was so obsessed with winning arguments..... well he never won zip either.

[vlad]

God now someones posting and bringing up Biden's son and pics of Bush in a flying suit what the f   s this got to do with this thread. Its turned into a american presidential blame game as usual.

[vlad]

The first ever press conference by the Taliban is being aired now on Sky news why don't you post on this instead of all the tosh about blaming who did this who did that.

[billyburi]

Post #36620 I have been misquoted, I never wrote that......   If this was that other forum I would be going nuts....... but eh

[AussieBob]

On 8/16/2021 at 12:12 PM, SomTum said:

There has been a lot of ground gained and lost since 2001. The original aim of disrupting al Quaida worked well. Everything else has been... humbling. But we are very good at wishful forgetting when it comes to the more troubling parts our history, and bad at resisting charismatic leaders, so sorry to say, I suspect it's only a matter of time before this occurs again.

I fear you are right somtum, I hope you are wrong, but history says you are right.

[AussieBob]

On 8/16/2021 at 12:24 PM, PBS said:

Not forgetting the lives lost of the Afghans opposing the Taliban.

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f

So true PBS - huge sacrifices made - and for what?  There was a lot of good done and the Taliban were ousted, but there is no way they could get back so quickly unless they have a lot of support from the people. Back out - lock them down - and let them rot. 

[dmacarelli]

13 hours ago, longwood50 said:

In 1986 Annabell Hill’s husband committed suicide to save the family farm. But insurance money was not sufficient to stop the foreclosure; Trump stepped in and paid off the mortgage.

Trump’s generous checks made a huge difference in the lives of 11-year-old Megan who struggled with brittle bone disease and New York bus driver, Darnell Barton, who saved a woman from jumping off a bridge. Trump rewarded the "black" bus driver with a $10,000 check. 

Commercial airlines refused to accommodate three-year old Andrew Ten’s extensive medical equipment. Trump used his private plane to fly the sick child from Los Angeles to New York for much needed medical treatment. He did so free

Sgt. Andrew Tamoressi spent seven months in a Mexican jail for accidentally crossing the US-Mexico border. Trump announced he would give him $25,000 to get his life back on track This was verified as completed by Snopes

 

Melissa Consin Young, 2005 Miss Wisconsin, struggled with an incurable illness. Trump handwrote her a letter of encouragement and ensured that her Mexican-American son would graduate from college. He paid for the son's college education. 

Trump bought a segregated club in Palm Beach and then sued the city to open it to Jews and Blacks. This is documented. 

When Jennifer Hudson’s family was murdered in 2008, Trump sheltered her at his hotel for free.

And don’t forget, Trump donated his presidential salary.

Now show me just one act of kindness and generosity shown by Obama or Biden? 

This is a picture of Barrack Obama's home and that of his brother.  Barrack a multi multi millionaire has not sent a single penny to his brother.  Talk about compassion 

Trump is not a perfect man, but compared to the compassion and generosity of Obama, Biden and for that matter Clinton, he is a Mother Teresa saint. 

https://townhall.com/columnists/lizcrokin/2016/07/10/trump-does-the-unthinkable-n2190160

You have to admit, his PR companies do a bang up job. They even got you to buy into it.

[RWD]

23 hours ago, NumbNut said:

Too bad we can't ask some Afghani women whether they consider the Taliban to be terrorist or not.

The Taliban are terrorists. They hand the terror out to their own citizens

Only if you are not strict Islamic.  Which IS, whether you like it or not, the will of most people or there will be continued strife in the country.  I am guessing for continued strife as most Afghans do not empathise with a "country".  Just their tribal group and region.  

[dmacarelli]

13 hours ago, longwood50 said:

LOL revisionist history.  The Germans and Japanese were winning the war.  Even prior to the U.S. entry into WWII the USA was providing  through the 1941 Lend Lease program  the necessary war materials to continue to fight.  Without those weapons the Allies would have been without the ability to fight the Germans. Consider the only nations with significant military capabilities were France and England.  France was already defeated and really contributed almost nothing to the war effort leaving England to pretty much be the only major line of defense. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/darkest-hour/britain-on-the-brink/

If it was not for the USA coming in and tipping the scales the Allies would have lost and Hitler would not have a to defend both the Eastern and Western fronts.  

Hitler made a mistake in attacking Russia but he could have survived that had it not been for the USA forces.  Had Germany waited two more years to start the war they would have been undebatable.  Instead those who sacrificed their lives on Normandy and Dunkirk get to see their descendants give away their borders, language and culture to others voluntarily.  
 

While what you say is true, and it is questionable how the allies would have found a way to win the war without America's aid and contributions, the sacrifices and efforts made by many allies, including the UK, Australia, Russia, Canada, China, India, Holland, NZ, the PI, Turkey and many others were huge. 

[gummy]

1 hour ago, dmacarelli said:

While what you say is true, and it is questionable how the allies would have found a way to win the war without America's aid and contributions, the sacrifices and efforts made by many allies, including the UK, Australia, Russia, Canada, China, India, Holland, NZ, the PI, Turkey and many others were huge. 

And not forgetting those from  Kenya who nearly always are conveniently forgotten in most historic reports

[9S_]

52 minutes ago, gummy said:

And not forgetting those from  Kenya who nearly always are conveniently forgotten in most historic reports

Of Thailand hadn’t switched sides at the last minute we’d be speaking Japanese by now 

[Stonker]

17 hours ago, MrStretch said:

It was the fault of the Afghanis.  If their society and organizations weren't so completely riddled with corruption, then an Army might have been built.

Not so.

Even without the corruption there was sinply no possibility of a "National Army" (the ANA) being built as the West tried to do, along Western lines where there were no tribal or ethnic divides - it was simply impossible given the nature and culture of the country, which the West ignored.

The only possibility was an Army formed along regional, ethnic and tribal lines, which the West refused to consider - had they done so then it would have at least been a possibility, but they didn't.

[longwood50]

2 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

While what you say is true, and it is questionable how the allies would have found a way to win the war without America's aid and contributions, the sacrifices and efforts made by many allies, including the UK, Australia, Russia, Canada, China, India, Holland, NZ, the PI, Turkey and many others were huge.

Yes you are correct.  The USA did not win the war single handedly.  The Russians in particular lost upward of 40 million people.  If it was not for their bottling up the Germans forcing them to fight the war on two fronts, the war may very well had a different outcome. 

[longwood50]

3 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

You have to admit, his PR companies do a bang up job. They even got you to buy into it.

Yes, they even got Snopes to believe it. 

As well as these other sources.  Its amazing how all of these occurred before he was ever even thinking about running for president.  Oh PS I will wait while you reply with all of the examples of kindness and generosity from the Biden's, Obama's and Clinton's using their own money.  I will wait, it may take you a fair amount of time to find any. 



https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-gives-hero-bus-driver-10-000-10429580

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3449920/That-time-Donald-Trump-saved-family-farm-Widow-s-daughter-campaign-rally-recall-Donald-paid-mom-s-300-000-mortgage-father-committed-suicide.html
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/03/donald-trump-offers-help-for-terminally-ill-baby-charlie-gard

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/29/former-miss-wisconsin-usa-thanks-trump-in-janesville/84941664/

https://www.today.com/popculture/trump-takes-jennifer-hudson-family-wbna27667541

https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/katy/opinion/article/Trump-insisted-on-including-Jews-blacks-at-Palm-9702222.php

Edited August 18, 2021 by longwood50

[longwood50]

18 hours ago, mcambl61 said:

no one has determined a way for the tribes of Afghanistan to live in harmony and for the better good of their so-called country.

The Romans figured that way out 2000 years ago in Israel.  They leveled the country, sold many of the Jews into slavery and expelled the remainder out of the country.  Unless you are willing to cause so much pain and suffering that the local citizens turn on their countrymen because they fear you more than them, you will accomplish nothing.  

Germany was firebombed into rubble.  Japan had two nuclear bombs dropped on major cities plus the firebombing of Tokyo killed even more than the nuclear bombs.  Those were not military targets.  The USA has attempted to fight a war of "measured" response.  That only insures that they will continue to look for vulnerabilities, strike and then retreat to safety.  The Vietnamese did the exact same thing in Vietnam.  

Then again, the USA's involvement in Afghanistan was contrived.  Of the 9/11 terrorists 15 were Saudi, 2 U.A.E., 1 Egyptian, and 1 Lebanese.  If you were going to retaliate against any country or those who financially backed the terrorists it would have been Saudi Arabia.  But no, we get oil from them.   

For whatever reason the USA seems to think it is the world's truant officer and it needs to slap bad people and countries.  I suspect this has far more to do with the billions made by influential people who make the weapons of war than it does the USA's embracing any altruistic motive. 

 

[Andrew Reeve]

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  23 hours ago, vlad said:

America did not win WW2 longwood50 They came in 2 years after it started, many commonwealth Country's joined into defeat the Reich not America alone.

 

Thank you @billyburifor flagging and it was Vlad post.

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Post #36620 I have been misquoted, I never wrote that......   If this was that other forum I would be going nuts....... but eh

@longwood50, please ensure you refer correctly to the person that posted the quote.

[Fester]

On 8/16/2021 at 10:00 AM, JamesE said:

The same number as were lost under Obama and Bush. But Trump made the "deal" that Biden was forced to live with. But don't believe me. Look it up.

No. He wasn't forced to live with it. He reversed or scrapped so much Trump policy, so why not this?

What he has done is to creep out in the middle of the night and leave at least a few thousand people in a very dangerous situation - I don't think that was part of Trump's plan - Biden and his useless VP should quit over this.