I Am Ashamed of the UK

[TimeMachine]

England are illegally holding Julian Assange now. They need to decide whether to free him or send him to America which they are entitle to do. 

But overall , I do believe England has fallen to idiot Tyrants. They, much like Australia and US are more like China than China is. 

[cowslip]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

All grossly selective and out of context. If talking economic not political integration then fine. We did that.
However, it was that Democracy was imposed on the defeated Fascist Germany & Italy and across all Western Europe by UK / US, and NATO formed, by those same above Politicians, against the Soviet Menace, that ensured European Peace.

Democracies don’t war on each other. No EU Required for that. Those weakened Democracies needed Serious Protection. Hello NATO. Again the EU not required nor fit for purpose. Basically it was the English Speaking Peoples protecting the compelled democratic weak Europeans….. and still is ffs….

European “ Family”  a non- existent myth. Europe THE most violent region for thousands of years until UK Defeated Napoleon 1815.Then again with the two World Wars.

Family ? Never. Some Shared Cultural Scientific Trade Education Affinity & Joit Development, yes certainly.
UK & European jointly scientists discovered nuclear energy for example. UK First to Industrialise though…..

British Advanced Civilised Culture has little in common with Backward Muslim Albania or Bosnia or Russified Bulgaria or goat herding Greeks, for example. Those places are closer to Muslim Asia in mindset.

EU resembles the defunct League of Nations and UN. Another failed ineffectual international experiment.

It was Capitalism and US Generosity that restored Western Europe €after WW2 and lifted Europeans “out of Poverty” not EU ! Recall an Italian colleague telling me how “ everything doubled in price” in Italy after the disastrous Euro introduced. Thankfully UK Opted Out of Euro as with Schengen….. 

 

I’ll start with a list of your terms  - perhaps if you see them “out of context” you’ll begin to realise how ridiculously clichéd they all are?

 

 

 

“talking economic not political integration then fine. We did that.”

 

“the Soviet Menace,”

 

“English Speaking Peoples” protecting the compelled democratic weak Europeans

 

“Europe THE most violent region for thousands of years..”

 

“British Advanced Civilised Culture…” 

 

“UN - Another failed ineffectual international experiment.”

 

“Capitalism and US Generosity that restored Western Europe €after WW2”

 

“lifted Europeans “out of Poverty”” 

 

Your post is based on a number of misconceptions and inaccuracies.

The EU did not impose democracy on Germany and Italy. After the Second World War, the United States and the United Kingdom helped to rebuild Germany and Italy, and they encouraged these countries to adopt democratic governments. However, the decision to become democratic was ultimately made by the German and Italian people themselves.

The EU is not a military alliance. NATO, not the EU, is responsible for European security. NATO was formed in 1949 as a way to deter the Soviet Union from invading Western Europe. The EU did not exist until 1993.

The EU has been a force for peace in Europe. Since the end of the Second World War, there has not been a major war between European countries. This is in part due to the EU's efforts to promote cooperation and integration among its member states.

The EU is not a failed experiment. The EU has been a success on many fronts. It has created a single market that has boosted trade and economic growth. It has also helped to improve environmental protection and workers' rights.

The EU has not caused poverty in Europe. The EU has actually helped to reduce poverty in many of its member states. For example, in Poland, the EU's accession to the bloc in 2004 led to a significant decrease in poverty rates.

The introduction of the euro has not caused widespread price increases. In fact, the euro has helped to reduce inflation in many countries. For example, in Italy, inflation fell from 11.2% in 1997 to 2.1% in 2001, just two years after the euro was introduced.

The statement's claim that the EU is a "failed experiment" and that it is "closer to Muslim Asia in mindset" is a dangerous and harmful generalization. The EU is a diverse and vibrant community of nations, and it is home to a wide variety of cultures and traditions. To suggest that the EU is somehow inferior to other parts of the world is simply wrong.

In conclusion, the statement is based on misconceptions and inaccuracies. The EU has been a force for good in Europe, and it has helped to promote peace, prosperity, and cooperation.

 

[oldschooler]

22 minutes ago, cowslip said:

I’ll start with a list of your terms  - perhaps if you see them “out of context” you’ll begin to realise how ridiculously clichéd they all are?

“talking economic not political integration then fine. We did that.”

“the Soviet Menace,”

“English Speaking Peoples” protecting the compelled democratic weak Europeans

“Europe THE most violent region for thousands of years..”

“British Advanced Civilised Culture…” 

“UN - Another failed ineffectual international experiment.”

“Capitalism and US Generosity that restored Western Europe €after WW2”

“lifted Europeans “out of Poverty”” 

Your post is based on a number of misconceptions and inaccuracies.

The EU did not impose democracy on Germany and Italy. After the Second World War, the United States and the United Kingdom helped to rebuild Germany and Italy, and they encouraged these countries to adopt democratic governments. However, the decision to become democratic was ultimately made by the German and Italian people themselves.

The EU is not a military alliance. NATO, not the EU, is responsible for European security. NATO was formed in 1949 as a way to deter the Soviet Union from invading Western Europe. The EU did not exist until 1993.

The EU has been a force for peace in Europe. Since the end of the Second World War, there has not been a major war between European countries. This is in part due to the EU's efforts to promote cooperation and integration among its member states.

The EU is not a failed experiment. The EU has been a success on many fronts. It has created a single market that has boosted trade and economic growth. It has also helped to improve environmental protection and workers' rights.

The EU has not caused poverty in Europe. The EU has actually helped to reduce poverty in many of its member states. For example, in Poland, the EU's accession to the bloc in 2004 led to a significant decrease in poverty rates.

The introduction of the euro has not caused widespread price increases. In fact, the euro has helped to reduce inflation in many countries. For example, in Italy, inflation fell from 11.2% in 1997 to 2.1% in 2001, just two years after the euro was introduced.

The statement's claim that the EU is a "failed experiment" and that it is "closer to Muslim Asia in mindset" is a dangerous and harmful generalization. The EU is a diverse and vibrant community of nations, and it is home to a wide variety of cultures and traditions. To suggest that the EU is somehow inferior to other parts of the world is simply wrong.

In conclusion, the statement is based on misconceptions and inaccuracies. The EU has been a force for good in Europe, and it has helped to promote peace, prosperity, and cooperation.

Noted that you don’t challenge any of my all  Truthful  “ cliches”. 
However , you are either game playing, taking drugs or an AI Bot.
You have misquoted my post throughout. poor indeed from any “ teacher”. Comprehension Failures here big time. 

US / UK directed Democracy and Abolished Fascism in Germany Japan Italy. Your version is that a repeat Nazi Party or Communist Govt was an “ option” for post- war Germany or Japan perhaps  ? Yeah, right……..

NATO protects EU …. That’s what I said. EU couldn’t protect a beach sandcastle being kicked over…..

Albania & Bosnia are closer to Asia  I said idiot, not EU , which I didn’t say is “inferior” to anything ! Ffs

EU hasn’t promoted Peace as it doesn’t need to, fool. Democracies are inherently peaceful I said..

 Didn’t say either that EU has “ caused poverty”….. enough now. 

[cowslip]

11 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Noted that you don’t challenge any of my all  Truthful  “ cliches”. 
However , you are either game playing, taking drugs or an AI Bot.
You have misquoted my post throughout. poor indeed from any “ teacher”. Comprehension Failures here big time. 

US / UK directed Democracy and Abolished Fascism in Germany Japan Italy. Your version is that a repeat Nazi Party or Communist Govt was an “ option” for post- war Germany or Japan perhaps  ? Yeah, right……..

NATO protects EU …. That’s what I said. EU couldn’t protect a beach sandcastle being kicked over…..

Albania & Bosnia are closer to Asia  I said idiot, not EU , which I didn’t say is “inferior” to anything ! Ffs

EU hasn’t promoted Peace as it doesn’t need to, fool. Democracies are inherently peaceful I said..

 Didn’t say either that EU has “ caused poverty”….. enough now. 

You don't argue - just gainsay.

[TimeMachine]

2 minutes ago, cowslip said:

tinfoil hat

I'm gonna try that. See if it makes a difference in this nutty world. At least people who see me on the street will stay clear. That's a positive I guess.

[cowslip]

1 hour ago, TimeMachine said:

I'm gonna try that. See if it makes a difference in this nutty world. At least people who see me on the street will stay clear. That's a positive I guess.

I'm sure O/S has got one you can borrow.

[Pinetree]

7 hours ago, cowslip said:

Ignorance in particular of history is a predominant characteristic of Brexiteers..

“There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy. It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.” - Churchill

Several prominent British leaders advocated for a united Europe in the aftermath of World War II, recognizing the need for closer cooperation to prevent future conflicts and rebuild the war-torn continent. Among the most notable figures were:

Winston Churchill: In a 1946 speech at the University of Zurich, Churchill delivered a powerful appeal for a "United States of Europe," emphasizing the importance of a united front to safeguard peace and democracy. He envisioned a "European family" bound by shared values and institutions.

Ernest Bevin: As Foreign Secretary from 1945 to 1951, Bevin played a crucial role in shaping post-war European cooperation. He supported the establishment of the Council of Europe in 1949 and the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) in 1951, laying the groundwork for deeper European integration.

Clement Attlee: Labour Prime Minister from 1945 to 1951, Attlee initially expressed reservations about closer European ties, but he gradually came to support the ECSC, recognizing its potential to foster economic recovery and prevent future industrial conflicts.

Harold Macmillan: Conservative Prime Minister from 1957 to 1963, Macmillan was a staunch advocate for European unity. He applied for Britain's membership in the European Economic Community (EEC), the successor to the ECSC, but his efforts were ultimately unsuccessful due to concerns about the implications for Britain's Commonwealth ties.

These British leaders, along with many others, recognized the devastating impact of war and the need for a new approach to European relations. Their calls for a united Europe laid the foundation for the European Union, which has played a pivotal role in promoting peace, prosperity, and cooperation across the continent.

What makes you think that any politician, however eminent in history, had the right answer to anything of significance?  Most of them have been, and still are, the problem, not the font of any knowledge worth a damn. 

[oldschooler]

9 hours ago, cowslip said:

You don't argue - just gainsay.

 

7 hours ago, cowslip said:

I'm sure O/S has got one you can borrow.

You just can’t handle Truth. Living in your head where all good euro socialists singing cum bai ya and holding candle-lit vigils in your euro utopia instead of taking action. 

[Pinetree]

Did anyone see that degenerate idiot Boris Johnson at the Remembrance Day Service (still going on as I write this) .  That fxxk wit couldn't even be bothered to get a hair cut, he looks like a fat limp blond tramp.  Yet one more reason for my original post.  What a prick, among so many pricks. 

[PhuketBloke]

On 11/11/2023 at 11:58 AM, Marc26 said:

I was just sort of playing devil's advocate 

And as I said, if you are just an expat living their life with no kids, a lot that is wrong with Thailand doesn't really matter to someone like that 

Having my stepson I see thr corruption in so many things 

Wife wanting him to go to Air Force Academy and they want 500k

Wife wants him to be a doctor in Police or Military and it's all corruption 

And when you really have a real corrupt situation with Thai cops, it whacks you in the face with reality 

My gf got hit by a drunk driver and my friend's 15yr old niece from Scotland died

The cops in Patong harassed my gf, gave out our address to the suspect....

But I will still live there in retirement for a lot of the reasons you posted

A big thing for me is the ease of travme

When I travel in North America it's a day I have to endure and get through 

Flying domestically in Thailand and even all over Asia is just pleasant 

I am living here at the moment not because I hate the UK like some people it seems, it is more relaxed here if you are retired, and is so cheap to live, plus it is only a flight away from the UK.

My two sons Thai/English were born and brought up in England, they had an excellent university education, one is a biomedical scientist working for the NHS, the other married with a kid and has a business in finance, they can now get on with their own lives due to their position in life, they are financially independent. 

If they had been educated in Thailand they would have had no chance due to the fact I do not have any connections here which are needed to get on  in life, I see so many parents here still having to subsidise their kids even if they are in their thirties due to the lack of opportunity.

So Thailand is good for me with my temporary life here eg I can only get one year visa extensions, so I do keep a wad of emergency escape cash available as you never know how things can change here, I keep my assets and bank accounts safe and sound in the UK and just transfer money as and when needed via the excellent "Wise app".

So I agree with you, life here is different for the many old retired guys but the ones who have to bring up families here is a different story.

In addition we farangs live on the edge of real Thai life, we have no connection to politics ( we can't vote), we are always seen as outsiders but are not generally resented as Thais's know we can not sponge off them as we have to prove how we support ourselves in order to get the visa extensions, I would hate to have to live here and bring up children and educate them.

I also think a lot of farangs living here say they hate their own country as they have stayed here past their "financial sell by date" ie they can not afford to live back in their own countries due to the rise in the price of houses there and so have to convince themselves they stay here because their own country is bad. 

 

 

[PhuketBloke]

6 hours ago, Pinetree said:

Did anyone see that degenerate idiot Boris Johnson at the Remembrance Day Service (still going on as I write this) .  That fxxk wit couldn't even be bothered to get a hair cut, he looks like a fat limp blond tramp.  Yet one more reason for my original post.  What a prick, among so many pricks. 

He was the best prime minster possible at the time of Brexit, determined and the right man for the job of freeing us from the EU nutters, he should be knighted as should Nigel Farage. 

His downfall was being stupid enough to be caught with a beer in his hand at work, millions of other did the same in offices etc all over the UK but as they were not important enough to be monitored they got away with it.

"...blond tramp....", do you prefer your men to be brunette. 

[Pinetree]

8 hours ago, PhuketBloke said:

He was the best prime minster possible at the time of Brexit, determined and the right man for the job of freeing us from the EU nutters, he should be knighted as should Nigel Farage. 

His downfall was being stupid enough to be caught with a beer in his hand at work, millions of other did the same in offices etc all over the UK but as they were not important enough to be monitored they got away with it.

"...blond tramp....", do you prefer your men to be brunette. 

The man is a lying, degenerate, fool of a man child. Thank goodness he's gone never to return. 

[cowslip]

The problem linked to Brexit is that with BJ the country got a single issue party.

They lost almost all of their capable politicians and sunbsequentantly prove lamentably incspsble of dealing with the enduing woes sll of which were exacerbated by Brexit

Bj has been proved both criminal a liar and incompetent when it came to both Brexit and Covid.

 Truss collapsed  the economy

Brexit ushered on a group of incompetent amateurs who weren't prepared and have had no plan.

The hone secretary has lost support even of her own party due to repeated unconstitutional activities.

 

 

As for the rest....

[23RD]

The Metropolitan Police Farce showing their impartiality at Saturday's Pro Hamas March as this morning The Home Secretary gets sacked for stating the obvious. 

[cowslip]

Yes Brexit has emboldened the far right.... they think they can use violence to restrict others' liberties.

Another reason to be ashamed of the UK at present 

[Rookiescot]

41 minutes ago, 23RD said:

The Metropolitan Police Farce showing their impartiality at Saturday's Pro Hamas March as this morning The Home Secretary gets sacked for stating the obvious. 

Kid should have attacked the police just like the EDL did. 

Now while I think holding any march on armistice weekend is disgraceful its not illegal. 

However very few arrests were due to violence from the protestors. What we did see was a lot of arrests of violent counter protestors fighting with the police.

But thats normal for the far right neo nazi thugs who you applaud. 

[23RD]

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Kid should have attacked the police just like the EDL did. 

Now while I think holding any march on armistice weekend is disgraceful its not illegal. 

However very few arrests were due to violence from the protestors. What we did see was a lot of arrests of violent counter protestors fighting with the police.

But thats normal for the far right neo nazi thugs who you applaud. 

What's up Walter have you switched from supporting your now disbanded SRA/IRA to supporting Hamas nothing I wouldn't expect from an anti British Guardian reader. 

[cowslip]

21 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Kid should have attacked the police just like the EDL did. 

Now while I think holding any march on armistice weekend is disgraceful its not illegal. 

However very few arrests were due to violence from the protestors. What we did see was a lot of arrests of violent counter protestors fighting with the police.

But thats normal for the far right neo nazi thugs who you applaud. 

 

Armistice comes from the Latin...it means "stop fighting".

The Pro Palestinian demo on was asking to stop the fighting.

It was on the Saturday not Sunday the day of the Cenotaph memorial service

 

[Grumpish]

1 hour ago, 23RD said:

The Metropolitan Police Farce showing their impartiality at Saturday's Pro Hamas March as this morning The Home Secretary gets sacked for stating the obvious. 

Badly Photoshop'd image from one of your EDL buddies? 

[23RD]

5 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

Badly Photoshop'd image from one of your EDL buddies? 

EDL ??? I'm Welsh Bud 

[Rookiescot]

26 minutes ago, cowslip said:

Armistice comes from the Latin...it means "stop fighting".

The Pro Palestinian demo on was asking to stop the fighting.

It was on the Saturday not Sunday the day of the Cenotaph memorial service

Yes I know but its still asking for trouble to hold it on the same weekend. 

It gives right wing neo nazi loons oxygen.

Which is ironic really because they hate jews as well. 

So much hate. So little time to spread it around. 

[23RD]

Truly shocking scenes from London on such an important day for British People this weekend and Queers for Palestine (otherwise known as The Metropolitan Police) let it happen. 

 

 

[TheDirtyDurian]

On 11/9/2023 at 10:02 AM, Pinetree said:

I doubt that it has ever been as bad as it is now.  I was proud to serve my country for 20 odd  years,  as I believed in its values, what it represented to the World and what it meant to be British; no longer. 

And what did you believe that it represented to the world??

[Grumpish]

45 minutes ago, 23RD said:

Truly shocking scenes from London on such an important day for British People this weekend and Queers for Palestine (otherwise known as The Metropolitan Police) let it happen. 

"He added that "EDL thugs attacking police and trespassing on the Cenotaph" war memorial had disrespected the honour of the UK's armed forces."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514

[23RD]

2 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

"He added that "EDL thugs attacking police and trespassing on the Cenotaph" war memorial had disrespected the honour of the UK's armed forces."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67390514

Well you're English Grumpish Bud so as the saying goes Get your own in order.