News Forum - Israel’s supply cut reveals state’s cruel, dehumanising intentions towards Palestine

[Manu]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

I'm not so sure.  There MAY be a price to be paid for not being prepared (especially if the Egypt stuff turns out to be true, and was communicated credibly and via the appropriate channels), but as with everything Palestinians do, the slaughter of civilians seems to have backfired, putting Netanyahu at the head of a coalition government with subordinate members who previously tried to take him down.

People will forgive a lot if their very existence is at stake.  (Also, alas, applying to Hamas; while they do not rule with the approval of the people, they do get more recruits willing to slit throats after Israel defends itself.)

Well done, Hamas!  Great work, Palestinians!

It is far beyond "being prepared". He has done a long serie of mistakes but obviously that one will never be forgiven, that's the least to say. Why do you think he waited until yesterday to get out of his quarter to visit soldiers and never any of the hit places in the south or hospitals, etc..? Because he would have been welcomed the same way his extremist ministers have been the last few days... no, not the same, a far worse angry way.

As for the Egytpian secrete services at the highest level's warning, this is not even doubtable at this stage, it is everywhere. But he denies it...of course. He is a mouse caught in a corner, trying anything to save his a**.

And finally: has he taken any responsability? No. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-13/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-is-on-brand-no-responsibility-no-accountability-no-remorse/0000018b-288d-d450-a3af-699d263a0000 (sorry, I choose to provide this Israeli source although we cannot read the full article because what it is possible to read summarised perfectly what it is - and most of all it is a source of people in the middle of it, not sources far away in the Western world).

And if anyone think now the territorial invasion is in the hands of Netanyahu and his newly created war coalition, it is at the very least very naive. Talks in Doha the past 2 days with Iran, US, etc... will decide.

[Manu]

15 minutes ago, Vigo said:

Hamas stated goal is the destruction of  Israel and the imposition of Sharia law over the entire Arab region. This is set out in the Hamas charter and its most recent updated The Covenant of the  Islamic Resistance Movement  18 August 1988  https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp#:~:text=Article Thirteen%3A&text=Abusing any part of Palestine,over their homeland they fight.   

In particular, the call to destroy Israel; Preamble -  "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." 

Article 11 does not allow for the the existence of Israel; the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day.

Only Islam  faith is allowed in palestine. No judaism, no christianity, No Hindu or Buddhist faith is allowed as per Article 13.  "Palestine is an Islamic land..." There is an absolute rejection of any peace initiative. only holy war - jihad is allowed.

On and on the Hamas carter goes calling for the death of all jews and the imposition of Sharia for the entire Caliphate. Lovely people. You ignore this and instead offer other political group charters without stating exactly where they call for the death and destruction of muslims.

And what is exactly the meaning of this comment? Why you keep quoting me and others but then write stuff that is not related to the quote???

[Manu]

18 minutes ago, Vigo said:

Hamas stated goal is the destruction of  Israel and the imposition of Sharia law over the entire Arab region. This is set out in the Hamas charter and its most recent updated The Covenant of the  Islamic Resistance Movement  18 August 1988  https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp#:~:text=Article Thirteen%3A&text=Abusing any part of Palestine,over their homeland they fight.   

In particular, the call to destroy Israel; Preamble -  "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." 

Article 11 does not allow for the the existence of Israel; the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day.

Only Islam  faith is allowed in palestine. No judaism, no christianity, No Hindu or Buddhist faith is allowed as per Article 13.  "Palestine is an Islamic land..." There is an absolute rejection of any peace initiative. only holy war - jihad is allowed.

On and on the Hamas carter goes calling for the death of all jews and the imposition of Sharia for the entire Caliphate. Lovely people. You ignore this and instead offer other political group charters without stating exactly where they call for the death and destruction of muslims.

Please read again my comment that you quoted and tell me exactly how your comment is related to it?? Why you are sending me copy/paste of Hamas charte? What is the purpose to send me that?

My comment that you quoted is:

 

Not sure how this will enhance anything, Hamas means Islamic Resistance Movement so it is pertty clear, I did not read anybody deniing this.

Now explain why so many voices in Israel are saying this "Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad." (https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/). Why Netanyahu held negotiations with a jihadist terror group? Isn't he also slightly responsible of the overtaken power by Hamas in Gaza to suit his agenda? And what was/is his agenda? (yes, I am afraid it is impossible to talk about Gaza without linking to what is happening in the West Bank, if these 2 now different entities had not been divided to suit some's agenda we would not have to do so, but it was of course the objective).

Finally, if it is to "enhance" the debate, why not being objective and provide the charte of the Religious Zionism Party? That is if you want to be fair, objective.

So on one side the Islamic Resistance movement in power in Gaza, on the other the Religious Zionism Party in power (well not all the power, but enough to follow its agenda thanks to Netanyahu). Extremism, extremism... extremism attracts extremism, but it is always ordinary innocent people suffering on both sides because of them. Does anyone think that ordinary people in Gaza, West Bank and Israel want nothing else TODAY than the end of this endless madness, peace?

 

[TheDirtyDurian]

18 minutes ago, Vigo said:

There were multiple images. look at it again. I conclude that you are now trolling me with your statement that because one eye witness statement did not specifically emention decapitated babies that it did not occur. Did you not read this part, Reserve Col. Golan Vach, head of the National Rescue Unit in the army’s Home Front Command, claimed Thursday that he himself “found a baby with its head cut off” among the more than 100 people killed in Kibbutz Beeri, next to the Gaza Strip, and that members of his team found more decapitated children. “I don’t think a baby with its head cut off is an accident, a rocket doesn’t do that,” Vach said.

There isa good reason to now minimize the  exten to the Hamas horrors and that is to calm the Israeli public. Inflamed passions could result in retaliation and further loss of life. Once the war  ends there will be an inquiry and all manner of photographs and documentation will be presented. You can have your jollies then in arguing over the BBQing of babies occurred while they were  alive or dead, and whether the blood stains on walls indicate children had their heads bashed against them or were mere splatters from shooting and stabbing. You can then also delight yourself with the many photos of dead children and argue over their cause of death.

So can you provide the link for Golan Vach quote?

 

 

[TheDirtyDurian]

4 minutes ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

So can you provide the link for Golan Vach quote?

And why is Biden backtracking now, and CNN journalist apologizing for spreading falsehoods 

[ChicagoExpat]

The "beheaded babies" thing is a red herring.  While it may be true this is a rumor that got started that may not be true, 1) there's no doubt it is what the world would expect from Hamas and 2) Hamas killed many other children in many other ways.  And kidnapped others.

Did it happen?  Probably not.  Does it matter if the monster tears the head of its victim before devouring it?  Not really.

And it just gives Hamas supporters like the Disgusting Durian and Manu an easy way to disrupt the conversation.

[Pinetree]

11 hours ago, cowslip said:

So you think it's OK to behave like animals?

So which animals are you talking about genius? The animals who kill babies, rape and murder and execute  teenagers enjoying a festival?  You reap what you sow and Gaza will find out the full consequences of acting worse than any animal, or supporting the mindless, evil  fools that committed the atrocities.  Hamas and their supporters, including the families and woman who succor them, will be destroyed and they only have themselves to blame for what's coming.  

[TheDirtyDurian]

8 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

The "beheaded babies" thing is a red herring.  While it may be true this is a rumor that got started that may not be true, 1) there's no doubt it is what the world would expect from Hamas and 2) Hamas killed many other children in many other ways.  And kidnapped others.

Did it happen?  Probably not.  Does it matter if the monster tears the head of its victim before devouring it?  Not really.

And it just gives Hamas supporters like the Disgusting Durian and Manu an easy way to disrupt the conversation.

It's a perfect example of why, before presenting rumours and half truths as facts, people should check to see if things actually happened, or not. 

Whether that's an individual poster on an anonymous forum like this, a CNN journalist, or the POTUS. 

What people say has consequences as this has demonstrated so well. 

The truth is important, and it does matter. 

Please provide a post of mine where I have said that I support Hamas. 

Just as with the beheaded babies, repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true 

 

[cowslip]

1 hour ago, Pinetree said:

So which animals are you talking about genius? The animals who kill babies, rape and murder and execute  teenagers enjoying a festival?  You reap what you sow and Gaza will find out the full consequences of acting worse than any animal, or supporting the mindless, evil  fools that committed the atrocities.  Hamas and their supporters, including the families and woman who succor them, will be destroyed and they only have themselves to blame for what's coming.  

Animals that have the  your powers of comprehension as you?

[Pinetree]

51 minutes ago, cowslip said:

Animals that have the  your powers of comprehension as you?

That makes no sense, but then again, you rarely make sense/ 

[23RD]

Some good footage of The Israeli Navy enforcement of the sea blockage love the IDF Chic on the GPMG.

Parental guidance recommended not for the snowflakes.

 

 

[McTavish]

41 minutes ago, Pinetree said:

That makes no sense, but then again, you rarely make sense/ 

Save ink.  Dont feed the troll.

[cowslip]

2 hours ago, Pinetree said:

That makes no sense, but then again, you rarely make sense/ 

Amazing irony, you do understand the word "comprehension"

[oldschooler]

6 hours ago, cowslip said:

So basically Hamas has launched a totally inhumane attack .... now Isreal wants to do the same?

No. Hamas, without warning, targeted, attacked and murdered innocent children in civilian residential areas.
Israelis, with civilian evacuation time given, are attacking & destroying a terrorist war base (aka Gaza City) concealed (as usual) within, below & next to schools-hospitals-mosques-civilian residencies. By international law those abused places are de- consecrated as re- purposed for war so fair targets.

This is Total War in any case where there can be no distinction in reality between military targets and their supporting civilians & infrastructure. WW2 like this. It’s ALL Military. Israelis however are clearly making reasonable attempts to minimise civilian casualties. Cutting of life essentials to Gaza also legitimate here. Hamas charter aims to genocidally cut all Israeli LIFE. 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, cowslip said:

Amazing irony, you do understand the word "comprehension"

 

1 hour ago, cowslip said:

Amazing irony, you do understand the word "comprehension"

Egotistical “English Teacher” of Children deigns again to lecture & heckle Educated Adults !

[EdwardV]

7 hours ago, cowslip said:

So basically Hamas has launched a totally inhumane attack .... now Isreal wants to do the same?

False equivalency.

We know what Hamas has done; we don't know what Israel will do. The fact the IDF has warned the Palestinian civilians to head south and extended the timeline twice already shows they are not the same. It's one thing to specifically hunt civilians, another to hunt terrorists.  

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, 23RD said:

Some good footage of The Israeli Navy enforcement of the sea blockage love the IDF Chic on the GPMG.

Parental guidance recommended not for the snowflakes.

Excellent. Proverbial “ shooting fish in a barrel”.

No need for a mortar or RPG at the party here, as that attack boat is right on top of & circling the defenceless enemy, pouring in bullets & grenades No Prisoners taken of course ……..as no useful information forthcoming & too dangerous.

Sharks Attracted Now to that area to make such future swims even more dangerous…….

[cowslip]

17 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

False equivalency.

We know what Hamas has done; we don't know what Israel will do. The fact the IDF has warned the Palestinian civilians to head south and extended the timeline twice already shows they are not the same. It's one thing to specifically hunt civilians, another to hunt terrorists.  

yes - telling civilians to leave is in contravention of the geneva convention too.

[cowslip]

23 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Egotistical “English Teacher” of Children deigns again to lecture & heckle Educated Adults !

More rubbish and assumption - you need a reality check - but I fear you wouldn't recognise if.....

[cowslip]

26 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

No. Hamas, without warning, targeted, attacked and murdered innocent children in civilian residential areas.
Israelis, with civilian evacuation time given, are attacking & destroying a terrorist war base (aka Gaza City) concealed (as usual) within, below & next to schools-hospitals-mosques-civilian residencies. By international law those abused places are de- consecrated as re- purposed for war so fair targets.

This is Total War in any case where there can be no distinction in reality between military targets and their supporting civilians & infrastructure. WW2 like this. It’s ALL Military. Israelis however are clearly making reasonable attempts to minimise civilian casualties. Cutting of life essentials to Gaza also legitimate here. Hamas charter aims to genocidally cut all Israeli LIFE. 

so because Hamas did that does not justify anything Isreal does - unless they want to be just as bad,

[EdwardV]

4 minutes ago, cowslip said:

yes - telling civilians to leave is in contravention of the geneva convention too.

What is not telling them before you attack?

You made the comparison, but then that probably wasn't really your point anyway. 

[Manu]

6 hours ago, TheDirtyDurian said:

It's a perfect example of why, before presenting rumours and half truths as facts, people should check to see if things actually happened, or not. 

Whether that's an individual poster on an anonymous forum like this, a CNN journalist, or the POTUS. 

What people say has consequences as this has demonstrated so well. 

The truth is important, and it does matter. 

Please provide a post of mine where I have said that I support Hamas. 

Just as with the beheaded babies, repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true 

Now we are both hamas supporters. What is the point? 

[oldschooler]

5 hours ago, cowslip said:

Animals that have the  your powers of comprehension as you?

But they don’t do they ? Arabs, especially Gazans & “ Palestinians”, in fact are always exhibiting Herd Like Animal Behaviour. Like a herd of bison or school of fish. Always obeying their “ strong leaders” as one with dissent impossible. Clear they have NO Free Will/ Freedom of Expression / Democracy / Individuality.

All look- behave- breed- religionize - dress- speak- think alike. Like a Herd not a Group. 

I have lived and worked extensively with these backward fools, these overgrown children, religious simpletons, permanently & irrevocably irrational, violent, angry… with massive Inferiority complex hence anger re. Westerners. In TOTAL contrast to Modern Free Smart Individualistic Democratic Western Accomplished  Jews. Just COPY Jews you Idiots! Problem though is compounded is Low IQ like Blacks. 
 

Now there ARE Arabs who are like Jews. Bedouin Druze Arabs who have Israeli Citizenship and are MPs in Knesset. Doctors, Engineers etc. Gives lie to “ apartheid” false claims. How many Jews in Arab states .? 
one  thousand outside Morocco with zero in govt. now THATS Apartheid or actually worse, it’s Genocide.

All killed or driven out of Arab states after 1967, about 800,000. About same number of Arabs fleeing West Bank at same time but they were a defeated aggressor people and have remained so having rejected five independent Palestine states since 1947….. bunch of idiot losers rewarded only by oil & gas & west protection.

Arabs clearly done nothing worth mentioning since year 1220 when Mongols destroyed Baghdad. 800 years of stagnation & ignorance & stupidity all inconsistent with survival in the modern world. Protected by West and maintained in their backwardness only as they were allowed independence and later had Oil and gas needed by West.

[cowslip]

1 minute ago, oldschooler said:

Now there ARE Arabs who are like Jews

now resort to pure racism? You are so full of iy , you need and enema

[cowslip]

10 minutes ago, Manu said:

Now we are both hamas supporters. What is the point? 

Please - get up to speed with the internationa conventions - basically they are ethnically cleansing.