News Forum - Thailand to welcome Russian travellers back this Saturday, really?@!, Ukraine Discussion

[oldschooler]

40 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

On Maxar satellite images, we see the bodies of the dead.  But we don't see who killed them.  

A video appeared on the Russian segment of the Internet with supposedly Ukrainian soldiers laying out corpses in Bucha.  BBC has a video of dead bodies on the road, Russia has this video.  Why is the BBC video more true?

Forget your” western media” fixation.  Russian data is always proven fake so can be disregarded. I refer to Western security satellite data corroborated by separate western commercial satellites.
 

Enough. Your intransigence  would try the patience of Galileo & Da Vinci themselves futilely trying to explain simple evidential scientific facts to irrational people like you who live with evil, Support & appease evil but forever deny it exists in their rotten nation. 

[KRLMRX]

2 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

I refer to Western security satellite data corroborated by separate western commercial satellites.

something tells me you won't show us those images.  

Say hello to James "Win All" Bond, as a child I followed with interest his intergalactic victories over the Russians.

[oldschooler]

50 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

don't call the Russians on this investigation.  there are many other nations.  Just do it.  

What are you afraid of?  

Today, Hungarian Prime Minister Orban called for an independent investigation into the events in Bucha.  Why do you have a "Nazi" in the EU?

Orban is Putins only EU Leader supporter. Has majority support in Hungary which lies behind the  NATO states bordering Russia and should probably be removed from NATO & EU as useless & untrustworthy re. Russia. Let Hungary align with Putin if it admires war criminals so much.

[oldschooler]

5 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

something tells me you won't show us those images.  

Say hello to James "Win All" Bond, as a child I followed with interest his intergalactic victories over the Russians.

It’s your job to properly inform yourself after others have shown you the way.

Nothing Provided to you would alter your blind irrational viewpoint. You would always find something to discredit the data.
 

YOU must seek & find. 

[KRLMRX]

18 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Orban is Putins only EU Leader supporter. Has majority support in Hungary which lies behind the  NATO states bordering Russia and should probably be removed from NATO & EU as useless & untrustworthy re. Russia. Let Hungary align with Putin if it admires war criminals so much.

why did you accept a supporter of Putin in the EU?  Then accept Lukashenka too.

what about the investigation in Bucha, why are you afraid to conduct it?

Edited April 9, 2022 by KRLMRX

[KRLMRX]

7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

It’s your job to properly inform yourself after others have shown you the way.

Nothing Provided to you would alter your blind irrational viewpoint. You would always find something to discredit the data.
 

YOU must seek & find. 

no.  according to the rules of this site, YOU must provide a justification for the fact you specified.

[Rookiescot]

6 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

On Maxar satellite images, we see the bodies of the dead.  But we don't see who killed them.  

A video appeared on the Russian segment of the Internet with supposedly Ukrainian soldiers laying out corpses in Bucha.  BBC has a video of dead bodies on the road, Russia has this video.  Why is the BBC video more true?

Thats not soldiers laying out bodies in the road as you claimed.

Its soldiers dragging a body OFF the road using a rope in case the corpse is booby trapped. 

But you already knew that.

[Marble-eye]

8 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

that is why I wrote about the complexity of understanding you.

by many in Russia, the desire of Ukrainians to join Europe, forgetting about a common history, is a betrayal.

Not all Ukrainians want to break with Russia and join the "European family of peoples." This is a tragedy for both the Ukrainian and Russian peoples.

I hate to rain on your parade Karl but what another sovereign country choses to do is of no concern of Putin or the Russians.

We all have history but most of us do not dwell on it, it is all about today and what is best for us at the time and Ukraine feels it would be better joining the EU and who are we/you to stop them, up to them.

Suffice to say I would imagine the illegal invasion of the Ukraine by Russia has done nothing to bond the two countries together, in other words Putin has done more damage to Russia whilst strengthening the west. The tyrant has played a blinder, interesting times ahead.

 

"European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said the civilian deaths in the Ukrainian town of Bucha showed the “cruel face” of Russia’s army and pledged to try to speed Ukraine’s bid to become a member of the European Union."

"During a visit to Bucha on Friday, where forensic investigators started to exhume bodies from a mass grave, Von der Leyen looked visibly moved by what she saw in the town northwest of Kyiv where Ukrainian officials say hundreds of civilians were killed by Russian forces."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/ursula-von-der-leyen-offers-speedy-response-to-ukraines-bid-to-join-eu

 

 

[Fanta]

49 minutes ago, Transam said:

Well done UK, Boris takes a look.....

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-full-scale-nato-military-191326034.html

“Best-laid plans of mice and men oft go astray”  This plan most likely guarantees Ukraine’s independence/ use as a buffer zone as Russia has clearly stated they don’t want NATO forces on their borders. It also most likely guarantees Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO for the same reason nor be allowed NATO military exercises or bases on Ukraine soil. Good work Boris? 

[Marble-eye]

22 minutes ago, Fanta said:

“Best-laid plans of mice and men oft go astray”  This plan most likely guarantees Ukraine’s independence/ use as a buffer zone as Russia has clearly stated they don’t want NATO forces on their borders. It also most likely guarantees Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO for the same reason nor be allowed NATO military exercises or bases on Ukraine soil. Good work Boris? 

You're still coming across as a Russian spokesperson, does it not matter to you one jot what the Ukraine wants, you'll have to forgive me but I'll never understand your mindset. Are you saying a sovereign country should kowtow to Russia because they are a bigger and (mightier) country. 

Stop letting the bully win all the time, they have (Russia) have totally embarrassed themselve and all this Russia wants this and Russia wants that is doing no one any good but Russia.

Gary Kasparov: "If you are afraid of what a dictator might do if he loses then you're letting him win, it's time to re-evaluate both your strategy and your character"

[Fanta]

5 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

You're still coming across as a Russian spokesperson, does it not matter to you one jot what the Ukraine wants, you'll have to forgive me but I'll never understand your mindset. Are you saying a sovereign country should kowtow to Russia because they are a bigger and (mightier) country. 

Stop letting the bully win all the time, they have (Russia) have totally embarrassed themselve and all this Russia wants this and Russia wants that is doing no one any good but Russia.

Gary Kasparov: "If you are afraid of what a dictator might do if he loses then you're letting him win, it's time to re-evaluate both your strategy and your character"

I want Ukraine to survive as an independent country better able to resist aggression and  negative influences. A negotiated peace can help achieve that. Fighting to the death cannot. When push comes to shove you cannot ignore the reality that the numbers are undeniably stacked in Russia’s favor. And who is going to stop the bully? This is not David and Goliath. It is the #3 world superpower against the arguably poorest country in Europe. And Kasparov would also acknowledge that a stalemate is always better than a loss. 

[KRLMRX]

2 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said the civilian deaths in the Ukrainian town of Bucha showed the “cruel face” of Russia’s army and pledged to try to speed Ukraine’s bid to become a member of the European Union."

It is very useful to always ask the question - who benefits? almost always, those who benefit and took this action. Since the beginning of the war, President Zelensky has called for urgent admission of Ukraine to the EU. And suddenly, after the events in Bucha, the European official talks about accelerating this process. I hope they were not killed on purpose to speed up the process of joining the EU.

[Marble-eye]

Just now, KRLMRX said:

It is very useful to always ask the question - who benefits? almost always, those who benefit and took this action. Since the beginning of the war, President Zelensky has called for urgent admission of Ukraine to the EU. And suddenly, after the events in Bucha, the European official talks about accelerating this process. I hope they were not killed on purpose to speed up the process of joining the EU.

A malicious statement and totally inexcusable thing to say, even for you Karl you have reached rock bottom. 

[vlad]

18 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

I commented on the article and some belligerent claims that Russians should be pursued on the beaches of Thailand. Do you have any problems with this?

Can you repost this claim ??

[Poolie]

6 minutes ago, Transam said:

Yes, good work Boris, aggression against the innocent must never be accepted.......

Those here, who seem to condone aggression against the innocent, should be ashamed.....

Boris speaks, the world stifles a giggle.......

[vlad]

17 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

We have already played this game with you.  

if this man tortured your sister who married him for 8 years and then just killed her, then yes, you have the right to break into his house.  

But we live in the real world, not in an action movie, right, where there are more complex relations between states?

Your not living in our World Comrade, your in denial of everything that is happening in the real world with regards to Ukraine.

[oldschooler]

9 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

why did you accept a supporter of Putin in the EU?  Then accept Lukashenka too.

what about the investigation in Bucha, why are you afraid to conduct it?

Not an EU fan for many reasons. EU though has finally found some balls over Russia.

West respect the majority democratic vote for Orban whose Nationalist playbook found favour with the unsophisticated voters. Democracy often gives disappointing results ! Hungary (somehow) complied with EU & NATO strict membership terms. Belarus & Ukraine clearly never will. 
 

Bucha official investigation will follow when Russians gone. Seen enough already. The sheer range & quantity of evidenced atrocities during Russian occupation is simply overwhelming & conclusive.
 

No other possible conclusion. No Reasonable Doubt. So similar in these respects to Novichuk & MH ( & Katyn Wood) Russian crimes proven by full & proper democratic nation investigations & courts. 
 

Don’t need an “ investigation” or visit to know its cold at the North Pole or that water is wet.

Lukashenko a clear criminal who overturned by force his clear election defeat. Old school Stalinist dictators never accepted by West.
 

Different to popular insurgency that removed elected Ukrainian President  who had lied to his people pretending to be pro- West. 

[vlad]

15 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

I and most of the normal people in the world regret the deaths of the military on both sides and especially the civilians.

it’s hard for you to understand, but for most Russians, Ukrainians are not just neighbors in another country, they are relatives, friends, good acquaintances.

And in order to find out the true reasons for what is happening, it is not enough to read the mainstream media, you need to study the history of the issue and cause-and-effect relationships with a cool head. Otherwise, we will get another myths, which will subsequently lead to even greater victims.

What a load of B/S comrade " Study the History " " Its not enough to read mainstream media " correct comrade we can see on tv the destruction of Mariupol and other towns your country has destroyed we don't have to read it we see it daily. like most on here now iv'e had enough of you and your pathetic post's. This is my last input too. 

[oldschooler]

15 minutes ago, Transam said:

Yes, good work Boris, aggression against the innocent must never be accepted.......

Those here, who seem to condone aggression against the innocent, should be ashamed.....

Unfortunately they are willfully ignorant, believe the whole outside world “ threatens” them in their self- imposed prison society & choosing blind evil unaccountable nationalism over reason & facts. 

[Marble-eye]

1 hour ago, Fanta said:

I want Ukraine to survive as an independent country better able to resist aggression and  negative influences. A negotiated peace can help achieve that. Fighting to the death cannot. When push comes to shove you cannot ignore the reality that the numbers are undeniably stacked in Russia’s favor. And who is going to stop the bully? This is not David and Goliath. It is the #3 world superpower against the arguably poorest country in Europe. And Kasparov would also acknowledge that a stalemate is always better than a loss. 

The Ukraine are doing just fine especially as this is a war that was started by Putin and Putin alone, the Russian military needs to be pushed out of Ukraine period. No aggressor can be seen to have won by using bully boy tactics. 

There would be no need for peace talks if Russia hadn't decided to invade Ukraine, surely on this we can agree. Putin has made his bed and he has to lie in it now and should apologise to all the Russian mothers who have lost their sons who have been used as canon fodder and nothing else never mind all the deaths he is responsible for in Ukraine. 

Too many people on here are trying to reward Putin for his aggression and that just won't do now will it. 

[oldschooler]

24 minutes ago, Transam said:

I wouldn't know, but I suppose fruitcakes would, and members of the Labour Party...

Deceitful “ Labour” members. Parasites  openly Enemy Marxist anti- democrats.

They don’t dare form their own party as would lose their deposits every time! 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Marble-eye said:

The Ukraine are doing just fine especially as this is a war that was started by Putin and Putin alone, the Russian military needs to be pushed out of Ukraine period. No aggressor can be seen to have won by using bully boy tactics. 

There would be no need for peace talks if Russia hadn't decided to invade Ukraine, surely on this we can agree. Putin has made his bed and he has to lie in it now and should apologise to all the Russian mothers who have lost their sons who have been used as canon fodder and nothing else never mind all the deaths he is responsible for in Ukraine. 

Too many people on here are trying to reward Putin for his aggression and that just won't do now will it. 

The fact that so many of these Czar Putin fans are desperately calling for the Ukraine to appease Putin tells us that the war is going really badly.

If they were in a position of strength the instructions from the Kremlin would be very different.

[Cranky]

On 4/7/2022 at 7:34 PM, MrNovax said:

Good for Thailand!  The average Russian citizen has nothing to do with Putin's war and more counties should realize that all these dumb restrictions, sanctions, and other idiotic ideas hurt innocent people who have nothing to do with all this foolishness.  Hopefully this will allow people who want to leave Russia to get out and those trapped outside of Russia and removed from their family's to get back to them.  

You miss the point of sanctions.  They are to make life in Russia difficult so its citizens will pressure Putin to stop. Thailand helping the "innocent Russians" does not pressure Putin.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, Fanta said:

I want Ukraine to survive as an independent country better able to resist aggression and  negative influences. A negotiated peace can help achieve that. Fighting to the death cannot. When push comes to shove you cannot ignore the reality that the numbers are undeniably stacked in Russia’s favor. And who is going to stop the bully? This is not David and Goliath. It is the #3 world superpower against the arguably poorest country in Europe. And Kasparov would also acknowledge that a stalemate is always better than a loss. 

Yeah right mr appeaser…let Ukraine decide these matters…..hopefully settle Putins aggression for good by bleeding Russia dry……..let invader Putin cease & desist ….. nobody else can “ negotiate” that outcome with this deceiver war criminal.

Let Russia become Free also ….. oh but they haven’t got any idea about that …. tough, then eat the consequences.

[oldschooler]

3 minutes ago, Cranky said:

You miss the point of sanctions.  They are to make life in Russia difficult so its citizens will pressure Putin to stop. Thailand helping the "innocent Russians" does not pressure Putin.

Sanctions are Punishment for Crimes.

Thailand irrelevant in this matter.