News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES: Russia relents, Ukraine offers concessions at Turkey peace talks; Amnesty decries Russian war crimes

[astro]

10 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Your law is because of what happened 80 years ago then must be ok nowaday that the Putin Russia can bomb civillians and rape teens. How sick. Try harder!

Nobody's saying that.

Do you know Godwin's law?

[EdwardV]

7 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

If the question arises about the number, it will not be difficult for Putin to explain the mobilization, and there will already be 150,000 volunteers in Russia.

You mean 150K volunteers with absolutely no military training. Isn’t that the same problem you are using against the Ukrainians?

[KRLMRX]

2 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Soviets even told their people that Russia beat the Germans in WW2….. all by themselves ! USSR finished in 42 without US/ UK Supplies……

and they spoke correctly.  

the help of the allies, of course, was important and saved many lives of Soviet citizens.  

but it is quite obvious that even without this help the USSR would have achieved victory, albeit with great sacrifices and after a longer time.  Wehrmacht loss statistics confirm this.

[Stardust]

4 minutes ago, astro said:

Nobody's saying that.

Do you know Godwin's law?

As I am not a english native sure I will not know all slangs or meanings but understand their tactics when they come up with this!

[KRLMRX]

2 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Stalin murdered 20 million USSR citizens in 1930s ( mainly Ukrainians) and displaced entire Ethnic Races within USSR as  ” traitors”. No Different to Hitler as Lunatic Genocidal Tyrant.. 

this is pop nonsense from the "everyone knows" category. Just why did you come up with the Ukrainians?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

the population of Soviet Ukraine in the 1930s was about 33 million, about half Russian, it seems that Stalin kills almost all Ukrainians.

[Poolie]

50 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

You mean 150K volunteers with absolutely no military training. Isn’t that the same problem you are using against the Ukrainians?

Apart from the 12 month statutory conscription.

[Stardust]

46 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

and they spoke correctly.  

the help of the allies, of course, was important and saved many lives of Soviet citizens.  

but it is quite obvious that even without this help the USSR would have achieved victory, albeit with great sacrifices and after a longer time.  Wehrmacht loss statistics confirm this.

What kind of nonsense there were no russian soldiers in southern, western european countries or north african countries just on the eastern fronts. Such nonsense they teach the russians.

[KRLMRX]

2 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Serbia were committing systematic  GENOCIDE in Kosovo so of course NATO had to Physically Intervene.

Coincidentally, only NATO countries consider this genocide.

Russia also considers the persecution of Russians in eastern Ukraine since 2014 as genocide.

so, why can you kill Russians, but not Kosovars?

[Convert54]

3 hours ago, Stardust said:

A never ending list

And since the beginning of the invasion

 

IMO you have  just confirmed  your dedication to  conformist opinion of convenient deception and  distortion of historical fact  !  No honest person could deny the atrocities committed by (not only) Russian forces in retaliation of the failed ww2 German invasion in which equally verified atrocities by German forces were committed in conjunction with the further genocidal  elimination of  upwards/over  4 million civilians. The  official recognition of in educational history avoided in Germany  until 1992 ! Pretense  of some moral high ground while declaring nationalistic superiority ?  There is none for any participant in military aggression or retaliation to it ! Problematic is the perpetual insistence that proof of superiority or survival in defense relies on allegiance to demonstrative military  destruction contrived for economic benefit long removed from the cannon fodder ! Small players in economic  terms can be ignored even if  just over your shoulder to the  East? 12000 civilian deaths in Myanmar in 2021 but beyond a "tut tut" from the UN what more !

Putin's "war " is the culmination of contrived factors that have plagued the  geopolitical structure since the 1970's . It will culminate "compromise " yet as  in expectations of the initiation .Biden has alluded to the reality of a fundamental shift in global organization that is unavoidably  challenging to current expectations and assumptions. Old school thinking that encourages the pus in a festering sore does nothing to encourage more intelligent analysis  regardless of such as a sprinkling  of stardust .

The playground has become very crowded !

 

 

 

 

[Stardust]

6 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

Coincidentally, only NATO countries consider this genocide.

Russia also considers the persecution of Russians in eastern Ukraine since 2014 as genocide.

so, why can you kill Russians, but not Kosovars?

This is the face of the Russian army 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports

 

 

And so it is full of documented war crimes, genocides on the civillians as we got the footages from Bucha no. Enough to get the mandate like to stop the massacres from the serbs. To compare convicted war criminals with mandates to stop massacres shows how sick the brains of the Russian Putins supporter are. What kind of animals they are is very well documentated daily.

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Marble-eye said:

The figure of 2,000,000 keeps cropping up where ever you look on the internet Karl, but anything shown to you is instantly met with a fierce rebuttal. 

According to historian Antony Beevor, whose books were banned in 2015 from some Russian schools and colleges, NKVD (Soviet secret police) files have revealed that the leadership knew what was happening, but did little to stop it.[6] It was often rear echelon units who committed the rapes.[7] According to professor Oleg Rzheshevsky, "4,148 Red Army officers and many privates were punished for committing atrocities".[8] The exact number of German women and girls raped by Soviet troops during the war and occupation is uncertain, but historians estimate their numbers are likely in the hundreds of thousands, and possibly as many as two million.[9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

I operate with figures and facts. 4148+ cases of course could be.

[Stardust]

13 minutes ago, Convert54 said:

IMO you have  just confirmed  your dedication to  conformist opinion of convenient deception and  distortion of historical fact  !  No honest person could deny the atrocities committed by (not only) Russian forces in retaliation of the failed ww2 German invasion in which equally verified atrocities by German forces were committed in conjunction with the further genocidal  elimination of  upwards/over  4 million civilians. The  official recognition of in educational history avoided in Germany  until 1992 ! Pretense  of some moral high ground while declaring nationalistic superiority ?  There is none for any participant in military aggression or retaliation to it ! Problematic is the perpetual insistence that proof of superiority or survival in defense relies on allegiance to demonstrative military  destruction contrived for economic benefit long removed from the cannon fodder ! Small players in economic  terms can be ignored even if  just over your shoulder to the  East? 12000 civilian deaths in Myanmar in 2021 but beyond a "tut tut" from the UN what more !

Putin's "war " is the culmination of contrived factors that have plagued the  geopolitical structure since the 1970's . It will culminate "compromise " yet as  in expectations of the initiation .Biden has alluded to the reality of a fundamental shift in global organization that is unavoidably  challenging to current expectations and assumptions. Old school thinking that encourages the pus in a festering sore does nothing to encourage more intelligent analysis  regardless of such as a sprinkling  of stardust .

The playground has become very crowded !

such sick brain gymnastics say us what?! 

Exactly nothing!

And nothing what can apologize the invasion!

Just a sick dry!

Same old distract tactics and some old what aboutism!

Your gymnastics have zero substance! 

[Marble-eye]

8 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I operate with figures and facts. 4148+ cases of course could be.

It is always what you chose it to be Karl. 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, EdwardV said:

You mean 150K volunteers with absolutely no military training. Isn’t that the same problem you are using against the Ukrainians?

 

of course the same. 

you said that it would be a problem for Putin to explain the need for conscription into the Army, I replied that I did not see the difficulty with this. 

As a result, 300 thousand untrained citizens will kill each other, and NATO countries and the Russian military-industrial complex will supply weapons.  Business, nothing personal.

[Stardust]

14 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I operate with figures and facts. 4148+ cases of course could be.

You are operating with fake news. So you want to deny the archieves with all the documented raped woman in Germany. Just google it and I gave you a link already. 860 000 are documentated and is estimated 2 millions! All documentated! Now you deny it like the deniers of the holocaust! You just show again your real face!

[KRLMRX]

51 minutes ago, Stardust said:

What kind of nonsense there were no russian soldiers in southern, western european countries or north african countries just on the eastern fronts. Such nonsense they teach the russians.

don't deviate.

"only on the eastern fronts" the Wehrmacht lost 75% of its soldiers. That is, the absolute majority.

Western countries, Africa, the Pacific Ocean and other territories were undoubtedly important, but in all this in total there were only 25% of the losses of the Wehrmacht.

Either they fought there for fun, or there were very few Nazis.

[Stardust]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

don't deviate.

"only on the eastern fronts" the Wehrmacht lost 75% of its soldiers. That is, the absolute majority.

Western countries, Africa, the Pacific Ocean and other territories were undoubtedly important, but in all this in total there were only 25% of the losses of the Wehrmacht.

Either they fought there for fun, or there were very few Nazis.

Show us your fantasy sources

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, Poolie said:

Apart from the 12 month statutory conscription.

You mean except for the fact they didnt do that with the last set of conscripts who were sent early to Ukraine. Maybe the next set will be luckier…. Yeah right. 

[EdwardV]

25 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

, I replied that I did not see the difficulty with this. 

A general normal conscription, the 135k no, a full mobilization like Ukraine did yes it will be a huge problem.

[Stardust]

49 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I operate with figures and facts. 4148+ cases of course could be.

By the way there is something in english about 2 millions raped by the  russian army and same they do in the Ukraine now

 

[KRLMRX]

27 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Show us your fantasy sources

see previous pages.  I provided a link

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Stardust said:

This is the face of the Russian army 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports

And so it is full of documented war crimes, genocides on the civillians as we got the footages from Bucha no. Enough to get the mandate like to stop the massacres from the serbs. To compare convicted war criminals with mandates to stop massacres shows how sick the brains of the Russian Putins supporter are. What kind of animals they are is very well documentated daily.

NATO gave itself a mandate. there was no UN mandate.

[Poolie]

34 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

You mean except for the fact they didnt do that with the last set of conscripts who were sent early to Ukraine. Maybe the next set will be luckier…. Yeah right. 

Wo ting bu dong. I dont understand. You said they'd be untrained, I pointed out that they all had some training is all. Calm down or we'll need no. 6.

[Stardust]

28 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

NATO gave itself a mandate. there was no UN mandate.

Again fake news from you as usual, sure it was un mandate

https://jfcnaples.nato.int/kfor

Like as usual the Putin supporters always spreading fake informations and fake news.

UN SCR 1244 mandate by the UN !

[Stardust]

12 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Again fake news from you as usual, sure it was un mandate

https://jfcnaples.nato.int/kfor

Like as usual the Putin supporters always spreading fake informations and fake news.

UN SCR 1244 mandate by the UN !

And Bucha shows again what kind of war criminals the russians are

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60949706

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/03/europe/bucha-ukraine-civilian-deaths-intl/index.html