News Forum - LATEST: Ukraine-Russia crisis, western leaders “convinced” Russia is ready to invade

[KRLMRX]

24 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Some even doesn't know that Ukraine is a democracy with an elected government and ministries including a defence ministry and not govern by ultra right wings or in any comand of their army. I guess they watch russian rt tv or read global times and watch their propaganda chanels. 

you are a storyteller.

google Anatoly Shariy, journalist, for example. Ukrainian "democracy" for many years hunt him. At the level of top officials - ministers and presidents.

[KRLMRX]

27 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Stop Press ! Ukrainian aircraft flies over Ukraine …. when other aircraft present….In a war zone. !! No !

I will ask you a third time.  

should the government ban civilian aircraft from flying over an area where there is fighting with rocket weapons?  I'm sure you will finally answer.

[Guest1]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Complete Gibberish . Again. These Satellite Pics needed only once for the public really. Russia has built FIELD HOSPITALS at the border which are only EVER built when mass casualties expected ( never erected for “ exercises”). Now here’s a simple question: What SOLE Event Here would result in Mass Casualties ? Yeeees that’s right ! ooohh you “don’t know”, really   ……so cue more idiotic deflecting drivel ……

And it is needed, to pose an effective threat.

Yes, field hospitals are a sign for upcoming war. But no field hospitals would be a direct sign for "it is all show". I am not saying, Putin isn't willing to conquer the Ukraine, if there is nothing else happening, on the subject of "no NATO direct at Russian borders". But what would this threat look like, WITHOUT the field hospitals? Can it be a bargaining chip? We know for sure first, in case a war starts or when the troops go home!

You know, my opinion on these situation is: If it would just be about "Ukraine into NATO", with the time before that could happen, like with membership in the EU (if all criteria would be looked at for both), there would be nothing easier, as to mitigate this war scenario. Just Ukraine sees this situation as a fast lane into EU and NATO, the US sees it as a chance, to demoralize Russia even more. And the EU/other NATO countries are helpless in the middle , literally! They have to explain to there Citizen, why they go to war, just in front of their borders,  for not even a NATO Member. Ok, the US don't have to explain that. It is about 8000km away from home soil! Just saying

[Stardust]

4 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

you are a storyteller.

google Anatoly Shariy, journalist, for example. Ukrainian "democracy" for many years hunt him. At the level of top officials - ministers and presidents.

Google dissidents Russia, Ccp China and North Korea

[oldschooler]

21 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

love hard?  

I'm sure you know that within a few months before the Boeing crash, "pro-Russian rebels" shot down several military aircraft of the Ukrainian army in the area.  Do you think it would be wise to ban civilian flights in the area?  but the Ukrainian government did not.  I am sure that the Netherlands court assessed this incident.  

even if it was the rebels who shot down the Boeing, exactly half of the blame for this lies with Ukraine.  

pass this on to your oval office handlers.

So that’s Yes, Yes, Yes, No & No to your points in descending order. Deflecting Doesn’t change Court Finding against Russia.  
Russian Equipment & Personnel used from start to finish but it’s Ukraines Fault !right, got it .  

Then there’s this weird “ Russian thing” about turning over the western -compiled evidence to Russia for their “review”. Like Police giving their case file directly for comment by the Serial Killer. Make Your Own Case !!

[KRLMRX]

16 minutes ago, Stardust said:

How dare the Ukrain people defend themself and defend their country

can and should be protected.

the question was - why did the Ukrainian government not ban the flights of civilian aircraft in the region, in which hostilities have been going on for several months?

I'm sure your curators will send you an answer soon. I am waiting.

[KRLMRX]

9 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Google dissidents Russia, Ccp China and North Korea

no, this is a real person who has been hiding from the embrace of Ukrainian "democracy" for many years. he even organized a party and participated in the last parliamentary elections in Ukraine, but the Ukrainian "democracy" beat and imprisoned his supporters.

[oldschooler]

5 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

And it is needed, to pose an effective threat.

Yes, field hospitals are a sign for upcoming war. But no field hospitals would be a direct sign for "it is all show". I am not saying, Putin isn't willing to conquer the Ukraine, if there is nothing else happening, on the subject of "no NATO direct at Russian borders". But what would this threat look like, WITHOUT the field hospitals? Can it be a bargaining chip? We know for sure first, in case a war starts or when the troops go home!

You know, my opinion on these situation is: If it would just be about "Ukraine into NATO", with the time before that could happen, like with membership in the EU (if all criteria would be looked at for both), there would be nothing easier, as to mitigate this war scenario. Just Ukraine sees this situation as a fast lane into EU and NATO, the US sees it as a chance, to demoralize Russia even more. And the EU/other NATO countries are helpless in the middle , literally! They have to explain to there Citizen, why they go to war, just in front of their borders,  for not even a NATO Member. Ok, the US don't have to explain that. It is about 8000km away from home soil! Just saying

Yes, the field hospitals might be a convincing bluff. NATO know but don’t care. NATO react only Invasion Profile FACTS. NATO / EU will NEVER admit Ukraine. Too Corrupt. Insufficient Border Control. Russian ethnicity. Veto by many NATO members. Ain’t Happening. Same with Georgia. Putin knows this. NATO already borders Russia ( Estonia). 

[Stardust]

6 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

can and should be protected.

the question was - why did the Ukrainian government not ban the flights of civilian aircraft in the region, in which hostilities have been going on for several months?

I'm sure your curators will send you an answer soon. I am waiting.

As this was at the courts and investigated, you should read their reports. I think they are the right adress and know everything because it was all investigated long time. And for sure they know it better than you and when there was such things you claimed for sure it would be on the desk and court.

[KRLMRX]

16 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

So that’s Yes, Yes, Yes, No & No to your points in descending order. Deflecting Doesn’t change Court Finding against Russia.  
Russian Equipment & Personnel used from start to finish but it’s Ukraines Fault !right, got it .  

Then there’s this weird “ Russian thing” about turning over the western -compiled evidence to Russia for their “review”. Like Police giving their case file directly for comment by the Serial Killer. Make Your Own Case !!

no, you misunderstood.  

the absence of a ban on flights of civilian aircraft in the combat area means that the government of Ukraine was at least not against the death of 300 people in a Boeing.  moreover, this tragedy served as a trigger for the imposition of sanctions against Russia (not Crimea, mind you), which, judging by the interviews of all the leaders of Ukraine, is the only goal of their hard work (and not the standard of living of Ukrainians).

[oldschooler]

9 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

can and should be protected.

the question was - why did the Ukrainian government not ban the flights of civilian aircraft in the region, in which hostilities have been going on for several months?

I'm sure your curators will send you an answer soon. I am waiting.

Irrelevant. All airlines except Malaysian obviously went around war zones.

ukraine was fighting a war ! not concerned about stupid foreign civilians overflying a war zone ! though Russians were even though plane was invisible at 9500 meters up!….. like they shot down an obvious civilian Korean airliner …. Yes I know so did a young panicked US officer but just how dumb is it for anyone to fly very low right over a warship ! 

[KRLMRX]

10 minutes ago, Stardust said:

As this was at the courts and investigated, you should read their reports. I think they are the right adress and know everything because it was all investigated long time. And for sure they know it better than you and when there was such things you claimed for sure it would be on the desk and court.

this is not in the court documents.

I wonder why? here is a riddle.

[Guest1]

26 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

why did the Ukrainian government not ban the flights of civilian aircraft in the region

the question should more be; Why did MH, LH and KLM still flew over Donbass? Lots of other airlines used different routes already! The saying is: They wanted to save fuel and time! But changed there mind just after MH17 got shot down.  Everyone thought, there are no weapons available to hit a plane in 11 km height! 298 lives lost because of that. R.i.P.

[Guest1]

2 hours ago, oldschooler said:

There are some few anti - west pro- tyrant European socialist types here who ignore plain facts & never produce any hard facts of their own or reasoned case to debate,  just stupid “ narratives” against “ bad msm ( western)” and non- existent “ western aggression” with not one word against tyranny.
 

Often wonder why they don’t f*** off to live in Russia or China ……..they wouldn’t then of course to be able to afford living here talking shit from their armchairs……they are I imagine further encouraged by the constant re-election of socialists ( “ liberals”) in western countries at all levels..hoping perhaps for communism to eventually take over the world……

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no one ever called me an anti-west or .... - socialist before. 

But: If you say so.

Edited February 21, 2022 by Faz
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[oldschooler]

2 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

no, you misunderstood.  

the absence of a ban on flights of civilian aircraft in the combat area means that the government of Ukraine was at least not against the death of 300 people in a Boeing.  moreover, this tragedy served as a trigger for the imposition of sanctions against Russia (not Crimea, mind you), which, judging by the interviews of all the leaders of Ukraine, is the only goal of their hard work (and not the standard of living of Ukrainians).

It means that only in your bizarre thinking. in reality it was known that airlines always bypass war zones. It’s THEIR responsibility. Ukraine fighting a war so not even thinking  about dumb civilian pilots 10,000 meters high…..flying where they shouldn’t be ..

it was clearly the Russian State that was “unconcerned”… who moved the launcher & missile to and from Russia ….armed it directed it and fired it ; not Ukraine who did all that or the equipment itself did all that?

[KRLMRX]

13 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Irrelevant. All airlines except Malaysian obviously went around war zones.

ukraine was fighting a war ! not concerned about stupid foreign civilians overflying a war zone ! though Russians were even though plane was invisible at 9500 meters up!….. like they shot down an obvious civilian Korean airliner …. Yes I know so did a young panicked US officer but just how dumb is it for anyone to fly very low right over a warship ! 

Malaysian Airlines is to blame.

Ukrainian "democracy" is not to blame.

[KRLMRX]

8 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

the question should more be; Why did MH, LH and KLM still flew over Donbass? Lots of other airlines used different routes already! The saying is: They wanted to save fuel and time! But changed there mind just after MH17 got shot down.  Everyone thought, there are no weapons available to hit a plane in 11 km height! 298 lives lost because of that. R.i.P.

Of course, in the modern world, kerosene is more valuable than people's lives.  but the government of the country in which there is a war is OBLIGED to prohibit flights to this area.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, Guest1 said:

no one ever called me an anti-west or .... - socialist before. 

But: If you say so.

Haven’t called you anything, you obviously recognized the profile so responded with denial. That’s called “ speaking out of turn”. Revealed yourself.

Never mind.  “If the hat fits then wear it “

Edited February 21, 2022 by Faz
edited quote.

[oldschooler]

4 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

Malaysian Airlines is to blame.

Ukrainian "democracy" is not to blame.

Unsurprisingly you never blame the Russians or Russian State who actually made that missile available and fired the missile that killed those people.Despicable tyrant denial double talk maybe the missile mfr also should be blamed or the atmosphere for supporting the missile or the missile fuel perhaps ; anybody but the Russian State will do !

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[oldschooler]

8 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

Of course, in the modern world, kerosene is more valuable than people's lives.  but the government of the country in which there is a war is OBLIGED to prohibit flights to this area.

Russia obliged not to murder civilians.

[oldschooler]

21 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

the question should more be; Why did MH, LH and KLM still flew over Donbass? Lots of other airlines used different routes already! The saying is: They wanted to save fuel and time! But changed there mind just after MH17 got shot down.  Everyone thought, there are no weapons available to hit a plane in 11 km height! 298 lives lost because of that. R.i.P.

That is a separate question no doubt considered by the court.

It is not THE question. THE Question is Why did Russia murder 298 civilians. 

[KRLMRX]

7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Unsurprisingly you never blame the Russians or Russian State who actually made that missile available and fired the missile that killed those people.Despicable tyrant denial double talk maybe the missile mfr also should be blamed or the atmosphere for supporting the missile or the missile fuel perhaps ; anybody but the Russian State will do !

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Everyone is to blame. I just want to say that there are different data. Planes are shot down in war. At that time, in this area, for SEVERAL MONTHS, the rebels shot down several military aircraft. But you stubbornly deny the obvious guilt of Ukraine in the fact that it essentially sacrificed the Boeing.

[Stardust]

25 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

this is not in the court documents.

I wonder why? here is a riddle.

If there is a riddle for sure the dutch families of the victims and their lawyers had it brought it in this courts, too! Do you really think they and their lawyers didn't checked all? Really? For 100% sure they did, like all families would do! 

[Guest1]

23 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Haven’t called you anything

That is named causality, Dude!

Your answer to a post  which is the answer to one of my posts.

Unless  you haven't read the quote, which would ignore the reason for the answer you are going to post something to, I don't need to look for a "hat which may fit or not". I just need to see that your answer is given to an answer about my answer to someone(s answer, ....)

[KRLMRX]

16 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Russia obliged not to murder civilians.

let's count who is more?

I suppose the chaste USA is in last place on this list? right behind vegan Britain.