News Forum - LATEST: Ukraine-Russia crisis, western leaders “convinced” Russia is ready to invade

[Poolie]

11 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Once again; satellite imagery clearly & factually shows Russia perfectly poised to invade Ukraine. Russia pre- invasion playbook with false flag incidents already exposed. NOTHING else matters. WHY on earth would pro- Ukraine forces donANYTHING to provoke Russia !! Just what Russia is looking for !

Done. Enough.

[Noble_Design]

47 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

NATO doing their only job. Protecting Free Europe/ Detering Tyrants.

Satellite Imagery showing Russian Invasion Profiles is Action, Fact & Truth.

NATO states are free to position defensive weapons & troops on their land.

Putin Objects despite Doing Same. TOUGH.Putin lying again.NOBODY CARES.

NATO / Ukraine watching ONLY for Russias TRIGGER PULL. 

NATO/Ukraine have been watching Russia since 2014 when Crimea was annexed...

Watching, watching, watching....

[Stardust]

7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Once again; satellite imagery clearly & factually shows Russia perfectly poised to invade Ukraine. Russia pre- invasion playbook with false flag incidents already exposed. NOTHING else matters. WHY on earth would pro- Ukraine forces donANYTHING to provoke Russia !! Just what Russia is looking for !

For sure this guy never served in Europe or any Nato unit in Europe. This areas and everything near the eastern borders is anyway 24 hours observed. He even doesnt know how much Nato units there are and how many countries and it is their job to know what the russians are doing or their wagner groups, russian controled legions etc. And he really thinks he knows it better than the ones who observed them 24 hours. He even not understand that they even observe them 24 hours from the space. He even doesnt know why the heck they can observe in the middle of nowhere in a desert terrorists and make a strike. 

[Tim_Melb]

17 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Once again; satellite imagery clearly & factually shows Russia perfectly poised to invade Ukraine. Russia pre- invasion playbook with false flag incidents already exposed. NOTHING else matters. WHY on earth would pro- Ukraine forces donANYTHING to provoke Russia !! Just what Russia is looking for !

You clearly do not know anything about the Ukrainian right wing (Nazis) they want a war they see it as an opportunity to seize government and they think that NATO will jump on n and crush the Russian forces. 

[oldschooler]

30 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

You don’t address facts. just bleat on deflecting about the “ media”. subject is Ukraine … Now . Not Gulf or Vietnam Wars which have no bearing here & now. 
 

Nothing to do with subject. satellite imagery clearly shows Russia perfectly poised to invade Ukraine. Nothing else matters on this right now. 

And Poolie; NATO Foreign & Defense Ministers giving near identical facts & analysis on Live TV from their respective intelligence agencies is not “ media”. 
That’s known as source material from responsible elected senior politicians.

It doesn’t get any better than that. Unless NATO itself is a conspiracy theory now that’s “ unbelievable”. And will you now address the fact of SATELLITE IMAGERY and not more deflect onto mentioning the damn”media” whom I couldn’t care less about if they don’t report truthfully. 

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, Guest1 said:

If you say so.

Just alone my passport is telling different.

I know, for example, that Gorbatschow would never have agreed to the reunion of Germany, if not Bush and Kohl promised, that NATO is not moving further east, as with the then Germany still in the NATO.

I also remember from school, how close the US was prepared, to go to war, 1962. With the USSR trying to plant Nukes in the front yard of the US, in Cuba.

Which would have been about the same reaction time, for a missile to Washington DC, like it would be from Ukraine to Moscow.

Oh, and I know also, that Kohl accepted the Euro, for the yes of France to the reunion. Because he needed the votes from the east germans. Without, he haven't had any chance, to win the 1990 election in Germany. This election got even officially delayed, moved to 2 or 3 month later, just for this to happen .

I am just not one who is saying, without looking at details, that "we in the west are the good ones, the one in the east are the bad ones".

Aside that the US is forcing the EU, to sanctions against Russia, but:

Since 2014, the import of oil and oil products, which the US bought from Russia, was growing from about 5 million barrel a month to around 18 million barrel a month. Sanctions , Europa has to do. The US is still in business.

Which on the other side is now a problem. How many billions of US dollar have gone to Ukraine? About 3 billion from the US, plus a couple if billions in free Investments? That'll could go down the drain. In case Putin is conquering the Ukraine.

Which are in my eyes a couple of billion reasons, usually, to agree at least for now, that NATO and EU is not offering anything to Ukraine. That would be a much better price to pay, for no war in Europe.

So, who do you think is the most against "no further east with NATO?

I give you a hint, it starts wit U and ends with SA.

The one country, very far away from any ground, they had war in the past 200 years

All wrong  and for sure you not understand German otherwise you would know things were a bit different and the history and for sure you not served in europe and especially not while the balkan wars. Absurd to claim it was because of the USA anything of it , you have zero knowledge about any history of these countries! It was the decisions of these countries to join europe, to be free and to join the Nato! Tell this story in Poland, Romania, Baltic countries, former Yugoslawia countries and they would tell you what kind of rubbish you are talking. Ask if one of this countries would ever want to join Russia and tell them you want to stay in europe or Nato because USA forced them and they will think what kind of Clown is this? Maybe ask them . For sure you know nothing about their history and the people there. 100% not!

[oldschooler]

15 minutes ago, Tim_Melb said:

You clearly do not know anything about the Ukrainian right wing (Nazis) they want a war they see it as an opportunity to seize government and they think that NATO will jump on n and crush the Russian forces. 

Even they wouldn’t be that stupid nor have the security to keep such plan secret. Must be riddled with govt. informers.nato will never go boots on ground / air in Ukraine unless nato state border violated by Russia. Can’t see that either.let’s just deal with the main threat and in front of us for now shall we ? 

[Stardust]

5 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

And Poolie; NATO Foreign & Defense Ministers giving near identical facts & analysis on Live TV from their respective intelligence agencies is not “ media”. 
That’s known as source material from responsible elected senior politicians.

It doesn’t get any better than that. Unless NATO itself is a conspiracy theory now that’s “ unbelievable”. And will you now address the fact of SATELLITE IMAGERY and not more deflect onto mentioning the damn”media” whom I couldn’t care less about if they don’t report truthfully. 

I told you the xi and Putin supporters believe their own propaganda. They don't know anymore what is reality. Best example you can see in ccp China everything based on fake info and propaganda thats why they are their worst enemy. The truth or bad news is not allowed so the pla, all officials, local governments there send fake infos to Beijing because they are trained like that and for facts or bad news they would be punished. All their decisions  are made on wrong infos then and they destroy themself. They don't know anymire the realy outside or inside of China. Same Russia all now based on spreading wrong informations.

[oldschooler]

35 minutes ago, Poolie said:

Done. Enough.

You’re “done” all right. No facts. No evidence. Nothing valid. Just “ narrative” puff. Pro-tyrant puppet stuff to boot. dismissed.

[Guest1]

14 minutes ago, Stardust said:

For sure you were not in Germany at this time or in amy museum for example in Berlin. It were the people of east germany who were all in the streets who made this revolution and not Gorbatchow. Gorbatchow warned him before that this will happen if there is no change. And the people in east and west germany came with hammers and all kind of tools who break the wall down and not any politician. Btw I was at time there and I experienced that time the revolutions not only in Germany. And thats what all history books, historians say and everybody in europe knows. For sure you are not from continental europe, 100% not, because everybody knows or experienced this history!

Again, if you say so.

But I have to admit, I was the first time ever in Berlin in 1990, even have somewhere a piece of the wall, in my (not in continental  ;-) Europe home!

You know, it could help you, to look a bit more into the reasons, for the people in "DDR", why they went out, on Mondays. It was NOT the reunion, not in the first place!

It was just the wish, to be able to get out of the country FOR HOLIDAY, for example, without always having to "ask" and go to "Balaton", only. And after, they wanted to come back home. Ok, they wanted a currency like the DM, or the DM itself, but most of them could easily have lived their life as East Germans. Perhaps going for work in the west, but still home is home! And without this 1990 election, there wouldn't have been the need for this rush, to reunite. Which, as a fact, crashed ALL of the Industry in East Germany. With the DM in the pocket, and on the bills, they could not even sell/export anything to the former USSR countries, any longer. Which they did, before, successfully. But who in Polonia, or further east, wanted to buy a MZ (2 Stroke Moto)  or an Wartburg ( 2 Stroke "car") for the price of a Golf?

So the expensive reunion process began. Which is, after 32 years, still not done yet! Lucky for Germany, this 16 million Migrants 1990 brought about 30% of the countries area as a gift! Unlike now, that had value! ;-)

You know, I travelled a bit in my holidays, to this now eastern parts of Germany, beginning of the 90's. A totally new area of Europe at that time. Rostock, Greifswald, Ruegen, Berlin east/west, Dresden, Leipzig, Magdeburg, Eisenach, Elbe Sandstone Mountains, ....! Kind of a travel back in time. I loved the openness of the east German ladies , which means, btw: I talked with east Germans, just after the wall fell. And mostly there was to hear: If we would have jobs HERE, we wouldn't wanna move to the west. 

The fall of the wall was a man made thing, the other alternative would have been civil war. But the reunion of both German countries, however, was pure politics.  Called "Two Plus Four Treaty".

Just saying, dude!

[JamesR]

11 hours ago, Guest1 said:

The US is , with the prediction "Russia will invade", is on a win/win strategy, here.

IF Russia invades, they have known it. If Russia does not, just because the US predicted it.

and in case, Russia don't wanted, but will follow the guidance, then there is another "situation" created, far far away from US soil.

A third win it would be. To put Europe back on its place, to be the predetermined warground for another proxy war of the US. 45 years that was Europe, till "The Hoff" crunched the Wall. It needed 30+ more years, to have a chance to correct that

".........45 years that was Europe, till "The Hoff" crunched the Wall", you said.

I think it was actually Superman who did it by blowing on it, it is so funny what illogical things some people believe.

The history of Europe is 6000 years old, we then set up the USA in 1607 starting with James Town, then in 1776 we kicked out the Brit rulers called ourself the USA and then massacred all the Indians.

 

[Guest1]

23 minutes ago, Stardust said:

All wrong  and for sure you not understand German otherwise you would know things were a bit different and the history and for sure you not served in europe and especially not while the balkan wars. Absurd to claim it was because of the USA anything of it , you have zero knowledge about any history of these countries! It was the decisions of these countries to join europe, to be free and to join the Nato! Tell this story in Poland, Romania, Baltic countries, former Yugoslawia countries and they would tell you what kind of rubbish you are talking. Ask if one of this countries would ever want to join Russia and tell them you want to stay in europe or Nato because USA forced them and they will think what kind of Clown is this? Maybe ask them . For sure you know nothing about their history and the people there. 100% not!

And again, if you say so!

[KRLMRX]

3 hours ago, Stardust said:

Omg inform you first before you write anything all datas are there and invistigated by international teams. You even dont know that over Ukraine is a internatinal aviation route and monitired by many radars, gps etc and not only by the Ukraine. And all datas are there and nothing uncovered and nothing hold by the Ukraine radars because this datas are open for the internatinal aviation!

So the court of the Netherlands took into account information on the presence of a Ukrainian fighter in the sky at the time of the Boeing catastrophe? Because there are similar evidence.

And yet, why the Ukrainian government did not forbid the flights of civilian aircraft over the fighting areas that have been conducted for several months before the Boeing disaster?

[Guest1]

2 minutes ago, JamesR said:

".........45 years that was Europe, till "The Hoff" crunched the Wall", you said.

I think it was actually Superman who did it by blowing on it, it is so funny what some illogical things people believe.

The history of Europe 6000 years old, we then set up the USA in 1607 starting with James Town, then in 1776 we kicked out the Brit rulers called ourself the USA and then massacred all the Indians.

Really? No one understands irony, satire, here?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/12/17/year-love-affair-between-germany-david-hasselhoff-started-berlin-wall/

 

 

[oldschooler]

37 minutes ago, Stardust said:

For sure this guy never served in Europe or any Nato unit in Europe. This areas and everything near the eastern borders is anyway 24 hours observed. He even doesnt know how much Nato units there are and how many countries and it is their job to know what the russians are doing or their wagner groups, russian controled legions etc. And he really thinks he knows it better than the ones who observed them 24 hours. He even not understand that they even observe them 24 hours from the space. He even doesnt know why the heck they can observe in the middle of nowhere in a desert terrorists and make a strike. 

There are some few anti - west pro- tyrant European socialist types here who ignore plain facts & never produce any hard facts of their own or reasoned case to debate,  just stupid “ narratives” against “ bad msm ( western)” and non- existent “ western aggression” with not one word against tyranny.
 

Often wonder why they don’t f*** off to live in Russia or China ……..they wouldn’t then of course to be able to afford living here talking shit from their armchairs……they are I imagine further encouraged by the constant re-election of socialists ( “ liberals”) in western countries at all levels..hoping perhaps for communism to eventually take over the world……

 

[oldschooler]

5 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

And again, if you say so!

he does, as it’s fact & truth against which you have conceded

[Stardust]

20 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Even they wouldn’t be that stupid nor have the security to keep such plan secret. Must be riddled with govt. informers.nato will never go boots on ground / air in Ukraine unless nato state border violated by Russia. Can’t see that either.let’s just deal with the main threat and in front of us for now shall we ? 

Some even doesn't know that Ukraine is a democracy with an elected government and ministries including a defence ministry and not govern by ultra right wings or in any comand of their army. I guess they watch russian rt tv or read global times and watch their propaganda chanels. 

[butterfly]

17 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

You’re “done” all right. No facts. No evidence. Nothing valid. Just “ narrative” puff. Pro-tyrant puppet stuff to boot. dismissed.

habla Ingles, por favor?

[oldschooler]

7 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

So the court of the Netherlands took into account information on the presence of a Ukrainian fighter in the sky at the time of the Boeing catastrophe? Because there are similar evidence.

And yet, why the Ukrainian government did not forbid the flights of civilian aircraft over the fighting areas that have been conducted for several months before the Boeing disaster?

Stop Press ! Ukrainian aircraft flies over Ukraine …. when other aircraft present….In a war zone. !! No !

[KRLMRX]

3 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Do you get these obviously one -sided nonsense conspiracy theories from your masters in the Kremlin ?  

Criminal Case Proven “beyond reasonable doubt” against Russia by Netherlands Court.

 

love hard?  

I'm sure you know that within a few months before the Boeing crash, "pro-Russian rebels" shot down several military aircraft of the Ukrainian army in the area.  Do you think it would be wise to ban civilian flights in the area?  but the Ukrainian government did not.  I am sure that the Netherlands court assessed this incident.  

even if it was the rebels who shot down the Boeing, exactly half of the blame for this lies with Ukraine.  

pass this on to your oval office handlers.

[Stardust]

7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

There are some few anti - west pro- tyrant European socialist types here who ignore plain facts & never produce any hard facts of their own or reasoned case to debate,  just stupid “ narratives” against “ bad msm ( western)” and non- existent “ western aggression” with not one word against tyranny.
 

Often wonder why they don’t f*** off to live in Russia or China ……..they wouldn’t then of course to be able to afford living here talking shit from their armchairs……they are I imagine further encouraged by the constant re-election of socialists ( “ liberals”) in western countries at all levels..hoping perhaps for communism to eventually take over the world……

I really not sure if they are European, i read a lot of such nonsense often from the uk, usa, Australians, but I am aware they are nit in any way representives from their countries and I guess they not like them in their countries. 

[Guest1]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

You don’t address facts. just bleat on deflecting about the “ media”. subject is Ukraine … Now . Not Gulf or Vietnam Wars which have no bearing here & now. 
 

Nothing to do with subject. satellite imagery clearly shows Russia perfectly poised to invade Ukraine. Nothing else matters on this right now. 

So you don't think, that the saying "sanctions", but the doing "trading", is not sending the message to Russia/Putin, that the USA is not really into this "get to war for Ukraine/Krim"-thing?

Aside that 18 Billions a year, just in Oil Trade income, is filling Putins empty war pockets as much, as the Europeans Gas trades!

And you know what? On the other side of Russia is someone really interested in the outcome in Europe. And starting to calculate, how likely the US will act on bringing Taiwan "back to the empire". 

This is, unlucky enough, not a black and white story. And for certain, it did start before Putin became President. It just escalates now. For the same reasons, the US went often to war: To cover weakness on the domestic front. A war, being close to one, is in Russia doing the same like in the US and most other countries in the world: It brings people closer together. For some time at least. 

Or saying it with A. Lincoln:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. 

 

 

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[Stardust]

11 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

love hard?  

I'm sure you know that within a few months before the Boeing crash, "pro-Russian rebels" shot down several military aircraft of the Ukrainian army in the area.  Do you think it would be wise to ban civilian flights in the area?  but the Ukrainian government did not.  I am sure that the Netherlands court assessed this incident.  

even if it was the rebels who shot down the Boeing, exactly half of the blame for this lies with Ukraine.  

pass this on to your oval office handlers.

How dare the Ukrain people defend themself and defend their country

[oldschooler]

22 minutes ago, JamesR said:

".........45 years that was Europe, till "The Hoff" crunched the Wall", you said.

I think it was actually Superman who did it by blowing on it, it is so funny what illogical things some people believe.

The history of Europe is 6000 years old, we then set up the USA in 1607 starting with James Town, then in 1776 we kicked out the Brit rulers called ourself the USA and then massacred all the Indians.

You must have left some alive for their descendants to run all those casinos on tribal lands.

“We” meaning other Brits aided mainly by France but also Russia, Prussia, Spain & Dutch, so basically the entire developed world vs UK ……

brits then returned to kick American ass 1812 including burning White House down. “ no, those were Canadians”…. Yeah, right

then US industrialized and invented blues, rock & hamburgers and helped out the Brits in two world wars….. 

Neolithic Farmers arrived Europe 8500 years ago from Near East / Anatolia and displaced Stone Age hunter gatherers who remained in North America before industrialized euro trash arrived 400 years ago.

[Stardust]

8 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

So you don't think, that the saying "sanctions", but the doing "trading", is not sending the message to Russia/Putin, that the USA is not really into this "get to war for Ukraine/Krim"-thing?

Aside that 18 Billions a year, just in Oil Trade income, is filling Putins empty war pockets as much, as the Europeans Gas trades!

And you know what? On the other side of Russia is someone really interested in the outcome in Europe. And starting to calculate, how likely the US will act on bringing Taiwan "back to the empire". 

This is, unlucky enough, not a black and white story. And for certain, it did start before Putin became President. It just escalates now. For the same reasons, the US went often to war: To cover weakness on the domestic front. A war, being close to one, is in Russia doing the same like in the US and most other countries in the world: It brings people closer together. For some time at least. 

Or saying it with A. Lincoln:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. 

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This was Bob Marley . Btw nice song. But it was  " you can fool the people sometimes but you cannot fool all the people all the time" Exactly thats why all the dictatorships, dictators, tyrants failed and will fall. Why do you think these countries wanna be free and not under Russia or Ccp China. Maybe ask them! Europe, eastern Europe, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.