News Forum - LATEST: Ukraine-Russia crisis, western leaders “convinced” Russia is ready to invade

[Stonker]

28 minutes ago, JamesR said:

The Russians built 80,000 T34 tanks in WW2, many historians say it was the best tank of the war, it was easy to produce and easy to repair, it had a superior gun, I could go on.

Re the gearbox on the tank above, so you think they would change the gearbox in the middle of a battle?

... and some countries were still using them operationally fifty years after they were introduced, and a few still are 80 years on ...

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, JamesR said:

The pixie who lives at the bottom of my garden is the real owner of the world, It makes me laugh when I read such crape. 

sense of humor is good. but tens of millions died in the last world war. do you think the next one will be hundreds of millions or billions?

[Dedinbed]

16 minutes ago, JamesR said:

The Russians built 80,000 T34 tanks in WW2, many historians say it was the best tank of the war, it was easy to produce and easy to repair, it had a superior gun, I could go on.

Re the gearbox on the tank above, so you think they would change the gearbox in the middle of a battle?

80,000 was it's total production as they carried on making them after WW2 .. production of the T34 and T34/85 ( 85 mil' gun ) 1940 to '45 was in the order of 57,000 .. it was also the most destroyed tank with near 43,000 of those built during WW2 trashed in battle .. 

The belief that the T34 was the best tank of WW2 comes in part from the strategy the number they were built in allowed them to employ .. that is in some cases headlong suicidal attacks but with the weight of numbers to carry it through .. the battle of Kursk underlined that where they lost 800 of them out of over 1600 afv's destroyed in 6 weeks of fighting .. They were easier and  more quickly produced and the actual cost fell considerably as production ramped up in 1944/45 , and the 76 mm gun of the original 34's initially was effective against the Panzer III's and IV's but once the German's upgunned the IV's to high velocity 75 mm guns giving them a stand off the 34 couldn't match along with the introduction of more heavily armoured tanks like the Tiger and Panther the T34 was no match .. 

the T34 gearbox frequently failed in battle due in part to being a design taken from a tractor .. it was not well built and awkward to use which resulted in failure and loss of drive which is why T34's often carried a spare on the engine deck and yes you would be expected to change it at the height of battle if it gave up .. 

 

[Tim_Melb]

3 hours ago, Dedinbed said:

To a degree yes the dismantling of vast industrial complexes and relocating them to the east was a remarkable achievement particularly considering the distances involved that gave Russia the capacity to continue the war but let's not kid ourselves , a lot of what the Russian arms industry produced from those factories was sub standard to the German's kit .. the T34 tank that Russia made over 50,000 of was despite the legend a deathtrap that was mercilessly exposed once the Germans upgunned their own armour and anti tank capabilities to deal with it after the initial surprise of confronting it during the opening weeks of Barbarossa .. that is if it even got the front as the breakdown rate straight from some factories was 2 out of 3 and though many were minor faults that is not a lot of good when you need utter reliability on the battlefield .. Russia ultimately prevailed during WW2 by committing hundreds of thousands of troops in blunt headlong attacks ( one of many but for example the battle of Rzevh Feb' to March 1943 was nick named the " meat grinder " by the Russians themselves such were the losses they suffered ) that would eventually batter their way through and force the Germans to give up ground as they were pushed out from 1943 on .. But that strategy is one of the reasons why they lost so many personnel during WW2 and refer to it as the " Great Patriotic War " .. 

a T34 with a spare gearbox lashed to the engine deck .. just the sort of thing you'd want to change in the middle of a battle .. 

Your assessment of the T34 is total rubbish. It's only significant flaw was it's original 76mm armament which was a peashooter when it came to the Nazi heavy tanks but when put up against a Panzer IV or earlier the T34 was king! They later found that to combat the heavies likr the Panther an Tiger they needed to build a redesigned turret with an 85mm to punch holes in all that heavy steel in the Tiger. But T34 was one of the two modern style tanks to come out of WWII it and the Panther were the only ones that could hold their own in a post WWII world. Of the two the T34 no doubt was more primative than the Porshe designed Panther but it had many advantages not least of which were its cheaper production cost and the fact you could drive it on a road without its tracks. 

[Soidog]

6 hours ago, JamesR said:

We do enjoy this wonderful country that is why we are living here.

"There are no  Crises in the UK"

We know that is why we live here.

"Just a few problems in life that are normal and can be fixed. "

We know that is why we live here.

You seem to be mixed up with what the press say and what we the people say and the way we behave, I laugh every time an overinflated newspaper report come out, but it does not mean we the people believe any of the nonsense.

I see the same type of news in America and think what a lot of nonsense too, do they expect us to believe that I think to myself.

No mate. I was reacting to an earlier post from someone who called it a crisis. I’m not mixed up at all. I’m refuting a comment by another member who referred to a crisis. Please, read my post. The media in the Uk are poison and need to be sorted out. They report on an increase in mental illness and don’t seem to understand that they are the main reason for it.

[Pattaya.Warrior]

14 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

Putin needs money.  Just like Johnson, Biden, Xi and the rest of the errand boys for the real owners of this world

Putin wants to be in history books

[mybe]

this is a good example of showing how stupid humans are... and then to think these people a running a country, planning to kill people over stupid things, did not enough people already die of Covid? let's help a little bit to kill us all, human nature to DESTROY one and another, BRAINLESS, maybe we should all just go on the street and if we do not like someone we just shoot him... funny thing is if they know you going to kill someone they come to get you, why do they not go to get the bastard if they know they going to start a war, entire europe should make that invasion and done!

 

once more BRAINLESS people that decide such things and have been elected by the public... insane

 

let me guess they going to wait again until it is to late....

Edited February 21, 2022 by mybe

[Tim_Melb]

The whole situation is a game of diplomatic brinkmanship, Putin does not want to invade the Ukraine he wants guarantees that the Ukraine will not become a member of the NATO alliance. The United States wants the Ukraine to become a member of NATO they both have valid strategic reasons for this. Putin doesn't want NATO on his doorstep and would prefer the Ukraine to be a Russian puppet state, the US wants the Ukraine to be part of NATO because it would allow them to put bases on the Russian doorstep and perhaps pressure Belarus to join NATO as well. The Ukraine wants to join NATO for protection from Putin and Russia and for the financial benefits members would provide to their struggling economy. In short neither side wants conflict they just are at a diplomatic stalemate. The danger is that non-government controlled rebel forces are in play on both sides which could trigger a conflict that both sides don't want. There has clearly been an attempt to do this in the last few days and it is not even clear if this was started by Russian separatists or Ukrainian right wing rebels. Fortunately level heads on both sides have so far stopped any escalation of the situation. 

[Guest1]

20 hours ago, Thaiger said:

I’m afraid that that is what the evidence points to, there’s no burnishing it

Same kind of evidence, same source, as with Iraks weapon of mass destruction?

 

[Guest1]

35 minutes ago, Tim_Melb said:

the US wants the Ukraine to be part of NATO because it would allow them to put bases on the Russian doorstep and perhaps pressure Belarus to join NATO as well.

The US is , with the prediction "Russia will invade", is on a win/win strategy, here.

IF Russia invades, they have known it. If Russia does not, just because the US predicted it.

and in case, Russia don't wanted, but will follow the guidance, then there is another "situation" created, far far away from US soil.

A third win it would be. To put Europe back on its place, to be the predetermined warground for another proxy war of the US. 45 years that was Europe, till "The Hoff" crunched the Wall. It needed 30+ more years, to have a chance to correct that

[billywillyjones]

Russia has no intention of invading Ukraine but Nato wants to put missiles on their doorstep and is pushing the envelope.  This manufactured crisis is designed to distract all the sheeple from the draconian measures taking place around the world with the Covid tyranny.  Wake up sheeple.

[Rob2010]

Ths U.S. was prepare to risk total war because of the possibility of Russian missiles within 90 miles of U.S. territory. The U.S. was never invaded by near beighbours.  Russia lost 20 million people in WW2 to European invaders.  The west always sees itself as the good guy but many others see only rank opportunists who have cost hundreds of thousands of lives across a whole swathe of countries from North Africa to Afghanistan and beyond.

Not suggesting I agree wholeheartedly with those that think so badly of the west but can fully understand the concerns and fears behind the need for buffers. With that in mind, and on an assumption that Putin might occassionally read the Thaiger ( a long shot, granted, but I come across Russians here all the time) let me just say this:

Understand where you're coming from Vlad, but one tank north of Birmingham and there will be merry hell to pay.

There. That's told him.

[stuhan]

The west needs to take seriously what russia is saying, russia has already made it's plans to take the ukraine and if they do it will be swift without forces entering the ukraine in mass numbers, they will airstrike rather than risk lives, they will move fast and have well planned their attack nothing like desert storm or afganistan. They are not going to worry about sanctions nor are they worried so much about N.a.t.o, N.a.t.o it's allies, pertners and E.U are not strong enough to stop an invasion, russia is aware that Europe will suffer from no gas or oil from russia in a massive way, If N.a.t.o does go head to head with russia , to defeat russia their only option would be the use of nuclear weapons from land and the black sea and whoever launches the first nuke would be held responsible and declared a war criminal for crimes against humanity. If russia takes the ukraine they won't stop there, they will continue to defend russia's eastern block warning other countries not to contemplate joining N.a.t.o and where all this will end is anyone's guess.

[Poolie]

Thursday coming now, according to 'US intelligence,' an oxymoron is there ever was one.

[Stardust]

16 hours ago, Tim_Melb said:

Your assessment of the T34 is total rubbish. It's only significant flaw was it's original 76mm armament which was a peashooter when it came to the Nazi heavy tanks but when put up against a Panzer IV or earlier the T34 was king! They later found that to combat the heavies likr the Panther an Tiger they needed to build a redesigned turret with an 85mm to punch holes in all that heavy steel in the Tiger. But T34 was one of the two modern style tanks to come out of WWII it and the Panther were the only ones that could hold their own in a post WWII world. Of the two the T34 no doubt was more primative than the Porshe designed Panther but it had many advantages not least of which were its cheaper production cost and the fact you could drive it on a road without its tracks. 

Best tank of the world still is the german leopard and as that listed in the worlds best tanks.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/top_10_main_battle_tanks.htm

 

https://www.army-technology.com/features/feature-the-worlds-top-10-main-battle-tanks/

 

 

 

[Stardust]

5 hours ago, Tim_Melb said:

The whole situation is a game of diplomatic brinkmanship, Putin does not want to invade the Ukraine he wants guarantees that the Ukraine will not become a member of the NATO alliance. The United States wants the Ukraine to become a member of NATO they both have valid strategic reasons for this. Putin doesn't want NATO on his doorstep and would prefer the Ukraine to be a Russian puppet state, the US wants the Ukraine to be part of NATO because it would allow them to put bases on the Russian doorstep and perhaps pressure Belarus to join NATO as well. The Ukraine wants to join NATO for protection from Putin and Russia and for the financial benefits members would provide to their struggling economy. In short neither side wants conflict they just are at a diplomatic stalemate. The danger is that non-government controlled rebel forces are in play on both sides which could trigger a conflict that both sides don't want. There has clearly been an attempt to do this in the last few days and it is not even clear if this was started by Russian separatists or Ukrainian right wing rebels. Fortunately level heads on both sides have so far stopped any escalation of the situation. 

For sure all evidences are there that the russian rebels made false flag attacks and the rebels are under control from russia. Also all evidendces are there that they shut down the Malaysian airline. You really under estimate the european and us security agencies. This area is now on 24 hours observation from the space and ground! And everuthing is very clear and all is recorded and all evidences are there. Don't guess or think the Nato or Europe forces dont watch!

[Stardust]

18 hours ago, Dedinbed said:

80,000 was it's total production as they carried on making them after WW2 .. production of the T34 and T34/85 ( 85 mil' gun ) 1940 to '45 was in the order of 57,000 .. it was also the most destroyed tank with near 43,000 of those built during WW2 trashed in battle .. 

The belief that the T34 was the best tank of WW2 comes in part from the strategy the number they were built in allowed them to employ .. that is in some cases headlong suicidal attacks but with the weight of numbers to carry it through .. the battle of Kursk underlined that where they lost 800 of them out of over 1600 afv's destroyed in 6 weeks of fighting .. They were easier and  more quickly produced and the actual cost fell considerably as production ramped up in 1944/45 , and the 76 mm gun of the original 34's initially was effective against the Panzer III's and IV's but once the German's upgunned the IV's to high velocity 75 mm guns giving them a stand off the 34 couldn't match along with the introduction of more heavily armoured tanks like the Tiger and Panther the T34 was no match .. 

the T34 gearbox frequently failed in battle due in part to being a design taken from a tractor .. it was not well built and awkward to use which resulted in failure and loss of drive which is why T34's often carried a spare on the engine deck and yes you would be expected to change it at the height of battle if it gave up .. 

I guess interesting for you. Btw the best 2 tanks of the world have the german leopard tech inside

 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Stardust said:

For sure all evidences are there that the russian rebels made false flag attacks and the rebels are under control from russia. Also all evidendces are there that they shut down the Malaysian airline. You really under estimate the european and us security agencies. This area is now on 24 hours observation from the space and ground! And everuthing is very clear and all is recorded and all evidences are there. Don't guess or think the Nato or Europe forces dont watch!

surely it is.  Or maybe not.  

for example, Ukraine still has not provided data from its civilian radars on the day of the Malaysian plane crash.  Needless to say, Ukraine's permission to fly civilian aircraft in the area of hostilities with the use of rocket weapons looks very strange.  

the world is not black and white.

[Stardust]

55 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

surely it is.  Or maybe not.  

for example, Ukraine still has not provided data from its civilian radars on the day of the Malaysian plane crash.  Needless to say, Ukraine's permission to fly civilian aircraft in the area of hostilities with the use of rocket weapons looks very strange.  

the world is not black and white.

Omg inform you first before you write anything all datas are there and invistigated by international teams. You even dont know that over Ukraine is a internatinal aviation route and monitired by many radars, gps etc and not only by the Ukraine. And all datas are there and nothing uncovered and nothing hold by the Ukraine radars because this datas are open for the internatinal aviation!

[oldschooler]

20 hours ago, JamesR said:

The pixie who lives at the bottom of my garden is the real owner of the world, It makes me laugh when I read such crape. 

Illuminati !

[Stardust]

7 hours ago, Guest1 said:

The US is , with the prediction "Russia will invade", is on a win/win strategy, here.

IF Russia invades, they have known it. If Russia does not, just because the US predicted it.

and in case, Russia don't wanted, but will follow the guidance, then there is another "situation" created, far far away from US soil.

A third win it would be. To put Europe back on its place, to be the predetermined warground for another proxy war of the US. 45 years that was Europe, till "The Hoff" crunched the Wall. It needed 30+ more years, to have a chance to correct that

Clearly you have no knowledge about Europe. The situation of today was because the people of their countries wanted it. It is clarly you dont know the history of Europe, especially eastern europe! There were revolutions by the people and the wall fall because of the people in east germany and their revolution, same romania, poland, etc. Same the baltic states. Zero knowledge about anything in Europe but commenting on it?! Did you ever been in Europe??? Did you ever read anything about the fall of the wall? For sure not! And not anything about Romania and all other eastern european countries. Have you been in school or they never teached european history in your school?

[oldschooler]

4 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Omg inform you first before you write anything all datas are there and invistigated by international teams. You even dont know that over Ukraine is a internatinal aviation route and monitired by many radars, gps etc and not only by the Ukraine. And all datas are there and nothing uncovered and nothing hold by the Ukraine radars because this datas are open for the internatinal aviation!

Netherlands Court proved conclusively that incident caused by Russian equipment & personnel. Right down to serial numbers, operators, commanders, logistics, THE WORKS. Despite constant Russian attempted interference which obviously only added to the evidence against them !

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

surely it is.  Or maybe not.  

for example, Ukraine still has not provided data from its civilian radars on the day of the Malaysian plane crash.  Needless to say, Ukraine's permission to fly civilian aircraft in the area of hostilities with the use of rocket weapons looks very strange.  

the world is not black and white.

Do you get these obviously one -sided nonsense conspiracy theories from your masters in the Kremlin ?  

Criminal Case Proven “beyond reasonable doubt” against Russia by Netherlands Court.

[oldschooler]

7 hours ago, stuhan said:

The west needs to take seriously what russia is saying, russia has already made it's plans to take the ukraine and if they do it will be swift without forces entering the ukraine in mass numbers, they will airstrike rather than risk lives, they will move fast and have well planned their attack nothing like desert storm or afganistan. They are not going to worry about sanctions nor are they worried so much about N.a.t.o, N.a.t.o it's allies, pertners and E.U are not strong enough to stop an invasion, russia is aware that Europe will suffer from no gas or oil from russia in a massive way, If N.a.t.o does go head to head with russia , to defeat russia their only option would be the use of nuclear weapons from land and the black sea and whoever launches the first nuke would be held responsible and declared a war criminal for crimes against humanity. If russia takes the ukraine they won't stop there, they will continue to defend russia's eastern block warning other countries not to contemplate joining N.a.t.o and where all this will end is anyone's guess.

NATO never accept or care what Russia SAYS only react to Russian ACTIONS. NATO will smash Russias invasion forces in days if they move one foot onto NATO land. USA will by then have wrecked Russian Economy be stopping access to Dollar & SWIFT trading .
 

[oldschooler]

3 hours ago, Poolie said:

Thursday coming now, according to 'US intelligence,' an oxymoron is there ever was one.

Prefer gangster tyrant propaganda ? It’s western shared corroborated intel. coming from US / UK / NATO  / Poland.

So hard truth backed by telling satellite imagery inc. Field Hospitals never built for “exercises” only mass casualties.