News Forum - Last US troops leave Afghanistan, ending 20-year war

[Thaiger]

Ending the 20-year war, the longest in American history, the United States completed its withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan yesterday, leaving the country in hands of the Taliban. The Islamic militant group swiftly took over the country’s capital, Kabul, earlier this month. Gunshots were fired in celebration after the last US soldiers left Afghanistan. In an Al Jazeera TV yesterday, Taliban spokesman Qari Yusuf said Afghanistan had gained “complete independence.” “The last U.S. soldier has left Kabul airport and our country gained complete independence.” Over the past two weeks, the US has led hasty and chaotic evacuations to get as many […]

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[9S_]

2 hours ago, Thaiger said:

the United States completed its withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan yesterday

More like total unconditional surrender. The Taliban now have more land than they did when we first invaded in 2001. 
 

The Taliban have far more advanced weaponry than they did when we first invaded in 2001. 
 

And a few hundred Americans still stranded. 
 

Thanks Jihad Joe!

 

[Lowseasonlover]

Thanks to the American government the taliban now have an air force, they could sell them to the highest bidder,

They have more Black Hawk choppers than Australia 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Lowseasonlover

[Craig]

Good.  We should have left that shi*hole 20 years ago.  How much $, time and lost lives did we spend training people who can’t even fight for their own country?  Ditto for Vietnam.  I’m tired of propping up other governments who rely on our support than dish us when we don’t.  Game over AssGanistan.  
 

And to those who say otherwise, my guess is you never served and think our involvement was infinite.  You are the losers who can’t walk away when it’s best.  

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[9S_]

22 minutes ago, Craig said:

Good.  We should have left that shi*hole 20 years ago.  How much $, time and lost lives did we spend training people who can’t even fight for their own country?

No one is arguing about withdrawing from Afghanistan. People are concerned about the way Joe Biden withdrew from Afghanistan. And most US opinion polls share the same sentiment as well as politicians. 
 

 

23 minutes ago, Craig said:

Ditto for Vietnam

Vietnam would’ve won if wasnt for Joe Biden and the democrat Congress on reneging Nixon’s deal to support the South Vietnamese military. The fact that Saigon didn’t fall well into a few years after US troops fell is a testament to the South’s ability to withhold the North Vietnamese with US aid. But it was Joe Biden, who was US Senator at the time, denied Fords request to continue giving military aid. 

 

26 minutes ago, Craig said:

And to those who say otherwise, my guess is you never served and think our involvement was infinite.

You don’t need to serve to form an opinion about Afghanistan. The writing is there on the wall. Joe Biden just gave an entire country to terrorists. This not only endangers the region, but our allies in Europe with a mass exodus of refugees, and certainly potential terrorist attacks against the US. It was the Taliban who released thousands of ISIS prisoners and it was the Taliban who worked with Al-Qaida, who are back in Afghanistan. 

 

28 minutes ago, Craig said:

You are the losers who can’t walk away when it’s best.  

Except is this the best? Total unconditional surrender? Resurgent Taliban along with Islamic Jihadis such as ISIS and Al-Qaida? Armed with modern American weaponry? And with hundreds of American citizens along with thousands of allies stranded behind Taliban lines? Is that really the best? We’re not even back to square one we’re worst than when we invaded. 

[HolyCowCm]

1 hour ago, Lowseasonlover said:

Thanks to the American government the taliban now have an air force, they could sell them to the highest bidder,

They have more Black Hawk choppers than Australia 

Yeah, time to change presidents again. 

[King Cotton]

7 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Yeah, time to change presidents again. 

Careful what you wish for, HCC . . . there could be another Hillary waiting in the White House wings.

[riclag]

43 minutes ago, Craig said:

Good.  We should have left that shi*hole 20 years ago.  How much $, time and lost lives did we spend training people who can’t even fight for their own country?  Ditto for Vietnam.  I’m tired of propping up other governments who rely on our support than dish us when we don’t.  Game over AssGanistan.  
 

And to those who say otherwise, my guess is you never served and think our involvement was infinite.  You are the losers who can’t walk away when it’s best.  

The left and the do gooders ain’t finished yet ,I expect humanitarian aid(tax dollars) going to that country! Its gonna end up in the wrong hands.It’s probably all ready happening . 

[9S_]

12 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Yeah, time to change presidents again. 

Democrats will fight tooth and nail to preserve their tie-breaking vote, Kamala Harris. They will do anything to keep their slim majority even if it means putting up with Joe Bidens disastrous policies. 

[riclag]

10 minutes ago, King Cotton said:

Careful what you wish for, HCC . . . there could be another Hillary waiting in the White House wings.

Yes, they both cackle alike ,literally .Clinton and Harris

Edited August 31, 2021 by riclag

[vlad]

Lesson learned don't get involved in other Country's affairs which have nothing to do with you.

[HolyCowCm]

50 minutes ago, King Cotton said:

Careful what you wish for, HCC . . . there could be another Hillary waiting in the White House wings.

Not wishing at all. That is why first time I went for Trump and then had to go for Biden. One day we will get it right.

[Stonker]

There's little point in repeating what's been said at length in other threads, with none of the self-styled experts suggesting any alternative solutions, but FWIW ...

12 hours ago, Lowseasonlover said:

They have more Black Hawk choppers than Australia 

is only worth singling out as it typifies the accuracy of most of what's being said here.

The RAAF has 35 operational Blackhawks.

The ANAF was originally planned to be given 159, but this was reduced to 53 of which only 33 were delivered - the rest were mainly Mil-17's.

Of the 33, nine are known to have been flown to Uzbezikstan and eight were flown to the Panjshir Valley to join Ahmad Massoud, an anti-Taliban warlord.

That leaves a maximum of 16, of which only 8 may be operational - possibly only two.

It's only of academic interest and doesn't mitigate anything, but it highlights the accuracy of much of what's being said here.

[Stonker]

11 hours ago, vlad said:

Lesson learned  don't get involved in other Country's affairs which have nothing to do with you

That may well be the lesson, but it's very unlikely to have been learnt - and while the US was the major player it was far from the only one.

[AdamX]

15 minutes ago, Stonker said:

That may well be the lesson, but it's very unlikely to have been learnt - and while the US was the major player it was far from the only one.

Except the others were there at the behest or the pressure of the USA.

[kmc]

Another USA victory over the enemy.  Let's see now, vietnam, korea, afghanistan...Our military ALWAYS wins.  Military industrial complex winning cash more like it.  Pathetic.

[Benroon]

16 hours ago, Craig said:

Good.  We should have left that shi*hole 20 years ago.  How much $, time and lost lives did we spend training people who can’t even fight for their own country?  Ditto for Vietnam.  I’m tired of propping up other governments who rely on our support than dish us when we don’t.  Game over AssGanistan.  
 

And to those who say otherwise, my guess is you never served and think our involvement was infinite.  You are the losers who can’t walk away when it’s best.  

Losers ? So that’s not the Americans who went there to get ONE man - one man who absolutely ran rings around the largest democracy on earth  for years. Hundreds, or is it thousands dead, billions of dollars to get ONE man. He humiliated America at will. You made such an utter mess of it, you bogged yourselves down and have now left in even more shameful chaos than you went in on. Has America actually ever won a war yet or do they have a fetish for being humiliated by poor countries. 

You don’t need to have ‘served’ for 2 minutes to know that. 

I watched a programme just tonight about 7/11 and they asked Bush was going into Afghan worth it ? With a wide smirk he said “well there have been no more attacks on America” 

I wonder if the parents of all the dead or the American taxpayer appreciated the smirk. 

[Benroon]

15 hours ago, vlad said:

Lesson learned don't get involved in other Country's affairs which have nothing to do with you.

7/11 was America’s affairs 

[Rain]

15 hours ago, vlad said:

Lesson learned don't get involved in other Country's affairs which have nothing to do with you.

The extended empire doesn't comprehend such things - never have.

[vlad]

Sadly, the US seam to be the ones rushing into conflicts that have nothing to do with them like Afgahn, Iraq, Panama , America keep's dragging us in with them.

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[Stonker]

11 hours ago, AdamX said:

Except the others were there at the behest or the pressure of the USA.

So how does that justify their participation, except to show them as too weak to take decisions for themselves?

 

While France and Germany were against the war in Iraq, for example, they played an active part in Afghanistan.

 

Had enough countries, particularly the UK, actively opposed either war instead of condoning or supporting it then the US may have had second thoughts.

More pertinent to this thread, had other countries started their withdrawal earlier, enabling it over a longer time which was the only way it could have been done better, then this shambles would have been at best avoided and at worst reduced.

[Stonker]

8 hours ago, Benroon said:

7/11 was America’s affairs 

Agreed, but it wasn't Afghanistan's or Iraq's.

[Stonker]

8 hours ago, Benroon said:

Losers ? So that’s not the Americans who went there to get ONE man - one man who absolutely ran rings around the largest democracy on earth  for years. Hundreds, or is it thousands dead, billions of dollars to get ONE man. He humiliated America at will. You made such an utter mess of it, you bogged yourselves down and have now left in even more shameful chaos than you went in on. Has America actually ever won a war yet or do they have a fetish for being humiliated by poor countries. 

You don’t need to have ‘served’ for 2 minutes to know that. 

I watched a programme just tonight about 7/11 and they asked Bush was going into Afghan worth it ? With a wide smirk he said “well there have been no more attacks on America” 

I wonder if the parents of all the dead or the American taxpayer appreciated the smirk. 

Also agreed.

It's a bit like saying that there haven't been any more power cuts since I stopped kicking lamposts.

[Fester]

23 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

Not wishing at all. That is why first time I went for Trump and then had to go for Biden. One day we will get it right.

Far in the future, maybe, you will be given a choice, of which one, might be right. But for now, Trump is far closer to being right, than the creature you have ended up with at the moment.

[Stonker]

On 8/31/2021 at 12:50 PM, 9S_ said:

Except is this the best? Total unconditional surrender? Resurgent Taliban along with Islamic Jihadis such as ISIS and Al-Qaida? Armed with modern American weaponry? And with hundreds of American citizens along with thousands of allies stranded behind Taliban lines? Is that really the best? We’re not even back to square one we’re worst than when we invaded. 

We're agreed that this wasn't "the best" way to do things.  

Nobody here's disagreeing with that or has disagreed in any of the several threads on the subject here, so constantly repeating it, at length, with the same finger pointing, doesn't add anything.

What you've never done, though, is to even try to suggest a "better" way that it could have been done without it being a "total unconditional surrender", without "resurgent Taliban along with Islamic Jihadis such as ISIS and Al-Qaida", without they're being "armed with modern American weaponry" and without "hundreds of American citizens along with thousands of allies stranded behind Taliban lines" which made the US and Afghanistan  "worse off than before we invaded".

Is there any chance of you doing that and saying how it should have been done to achieve all or any of that, rather than just how it shouldn't?