Do Covid 19 masks work?

[Fester]

3 hours ago, longwood50 said:

Fester you can believe that masks really protect, that population density in countries causes the variance in covid infection rates, that wearing necklace made out of cloves of garlic not only defeat Covid but save you from vampires.  

However, unlike you, I don't take things at face value.  The statistics both in the USA and Europe show some areas like Sweden with no mask mandate not having any higher covid infection rates than neighboring Estonia, and Lithuania,  That states with very low population density like Rhode Island, North Dakota, South Dakota,  and Utah have the highest covid infection rates while the area with the highest density, Washington DC has the 45th lowest. And California the countries most populous state and very densely populated with numerous major metropolitan areas has the absolute identical covid infection rate to Alaska that has 1.2 people per square mile. 

As I stated before.  I can give you the facts but obviously you can't extrapolate what they mean. 

Nothing to "extrapolate". So what is the reason that the rate in DC is so low? 

Have you got your meatballs in the freezer yet? Great with garlic, I'm told.

[PompeyLlama]

Different masks offer different levels of protection. 

Now the cloth masks offer some protection. 3 or more layers the better. Also the closeness of the weave also make a difference. The tighter the weave the better. 

Anything is better than nothing. Even if they only stop one droplet it's reducing the risk of getting or spreading the virus. 

If you believe them or not, many people believe in them and more importantly by wearing one it won't increase your chances of getting the virus 

[mcambl61]

10 hours ago, PompeyLlama said:

Different masks offer different levels of protection. 

Now the cloth masks offer some protection. 3 or more layers the better. Also the closeness of the weave also make a difference. The tighter the weave the better. 

Anything is better than nothing. Even if they only stop one droplet it's reducing the risk of getting or spreading the virus. 

If you believe them or not, many people believe in them and more importantly by wearing one it won't increase your chances of getting the virus 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

 

[PompeyLlama]

16 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

ok i understand, but as i said any reduction in chance is better than nothing and wearing one wont make you more likely to get the virus. this was said and most research will say the same. so i stand by the statement

Anything is better than nothing

[mcambl61]

1 minute ago, PompeyLlama said:

ok i understand, but as i said any reduction in chance is better than nothing and wearing one wont make you more likely to get the virus. this was said and most research will say the same. so i stand by the statement

Anything is better than nothing

I guess if it makes you feel safer, ok. 

 

But I pose a question, 

Covid is going to be with us in one variant or another for several years... I for one will not be wearing a mask if vaccinated for much longer. 

Unfortunately, people are buying the opinion that they have prevented the spread and comply without questioning. 

It really is time for mass civil disobedience and put an end to these government edicts and fear mongering. 

[PompeyLlama]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

I guess if it makes you feel safer, ok. 

But I pose a question, 

Covid is going to be with us in one variant or another for several years... I for one will not be wearing a mask if vaccinated for much longer. 

Unfortunately, people are buying the opinion that they have prevented the spread and comply without questioning. 

It really is time for mass civil disobedience and put an end to these government edicts and fear mongering. 

Once the virus becomes endemic and most of the world has been vaccinated then there will be little reason to wear a mask against this virus. 

If you don't believe they work that's your choice. My wife works in a hospital and would not be without her ppe. If these things were totally of no use then why do hospital workers wear them? 

You and me will never agree. This will be my last reply as the to and frow is a waste of time when people will not respect the opinion of others. 

Good luck in your future 

[javada88]

PompeyLlama, if somebody does not agree with the opinion of someone else, that does not mean she or he has no respect for your opinion.

Opinions can differ, this not automatically means their is no respect for each other.

 

 

[mcambl61]

21 minutes ago, PompeyLlama said:

Once the virus becomes endemic and most of the world has been vaccinated then there will be little reason to wear a mask against this virus. 

If you don't believe they work that's your choice. My wife works in a hospital and would not be without her ppe. If these things were totally of no use then why do hospital workers wear them? 

You and me will never agree. This will be my last reply as the to and frow is a waste of time when people will not respect the opinion of others. 

Good luck in your future 

"Until Most of the world has been vaccinated" , so several years of this bullshit is your choice. 

 

You can either live in fear or not. 

 

I look at the data and the fatality rates. 

 

This kind of draconian measures are insane, no disrespect intended. 

 

Take it any way you want. 

[Chaimai]

2 hours ago, mcambl61 said:

I guess if it makes you feel safer, ok. 

But I pose a question, 

Covid is going to be with us in one variant or another for several years... I for one will not be wearing a mask if vaccinated for much longer. 

Unfortunately, people are buying the opinion that they have prevented the spread and comply without questioning. 

It really is time for mass civil disobedience and put an end to these government edicts and fear mongering. 

 

 

I don't agree with disobedience - mass, or otherwise.

 

If you are in Thailand, good luck trying it. You will rightly be regarded as an arrogant Farang who has no respect for the country, or laws of that country, in which he resides.

Edited August 19, 2021 by Chaimai

[mcambl61]

4 minutes ago, Chaimai said:

I don't agree with disobedience - mass, or otherwise.

If you are in Thailand, good luck trying it. You will rightly be regarded as an arrogant Farang who has no respect for the country, or laws of that country, in which he resides.

Blather. 

 

But you make sure you keep in line with the other mindless sheep. 

[Chaimai]

2 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Blather. 

But you make sure you keep in line with the other mindless sheep. 

 

 

Law abiding people are sheep?

 

 

You are obviously on of those arrogant sh1ts that I was referring to.

[PompeyLlama]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

"Until Most of the world has been vaccinated" , so several years of this bullshit is your choice. 

You can either live in fear or not. 

I look at the data and the fatality rates. 

This kind of draconian measures are insane, no disrespect intended. 

Take it any way you want. 

Ah the dreaded no disrespect comment. Fair enough. 

Most people in the will be vaccinated by around the end of next year. Hardly several years but too long for most people. 

Please don't use bad language to get your point across as it's just not required. 

This question is about if masks work or not, but most of what you are saying or implying is that you don't like to be told to wear one. HOT NEWS! no one wants to be told to wear one! 

So what's the choice? What is the better way? 

Oh and BTW fatalities are less than 4% as stated by John Hopkins University who is the main source of world wide information. And yes 4% is 4% too many. 

I do not live in fear. Like us all I make choices I make them on the information I can gather and I consider relevant. 

You choose to do the same thing but you feel your choice is better. That's fine. 

You make your choice and stick with it and I will do the same. One thing is true. Like it or not what we have to do is what we have to do. Complaining about it, won't change a thing. 

And remember you don't have to agree with me in any way shape or form to respect opinion. 

[BlueSphinx]

The mask-debate continues.  Here the stance of  Tom Woods on the issue, as published today in his daily Newsletter.  I enjoy reading his common sense views on covid-19 as they always make for 'light reading' while providing factual information and never missing a beat in bringing over the serious message. 

= = = = =

 

Here's some advice from ol' Woods for when people try to tell you that masks brought the virus numbers down in some place. Always check. In virtually every case the numbers were already coming down before masks were mandated. It is extremely common for government officials to try to take credit for already-existing trends. For instance, you will hear that workplace injuries declined by X% after the creation of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA). What you should ask is, what was the trend before the creation of OSHA? Answer: workplace fatalities were actually declining even more rapidly before there was an OSHA! In Florida, local officials, stymied by Governor DeSantis, are desperate for something that might make them look important. They're obviously hoping that mask-wearing, including in schools, can be implemented fast enough to take the credit for the obviously inevitable decline in Florida's numbers. The problem for this scheme is that it looks like the death numbers are coming down already (and yes, that modest hump on the right-hand side of the graph is what had the lunatics screaming "DeathSantis" in recent weeks; they were basing their screeching on high but meaningless "case" numbers):

Now on the other hand, deaths in Germany appear to have come down after the introduction of a medical-grade mask mandate, so it's tempting to say, well, score one for the mask people. But wait a minute. There's a nearby country, with virtually no masking of any kind, medical-grade or otherwise, showing exactly the same trend at the same time:

Meanwhile, the American Academy of Pediatrics, which has a case of childhood mask fanaticism, is now systematically removing references on its website to any suggestion that babies might need to see human faces. Anything mentioning the importance of faces in child development, including "Face Time and Emotional Health," and a description of how adults can enrich infants four to five months old that involves repeated reference to facial cues and expressions, is now gone. Want to try to correct all this lunacy? You're the one who will wind up with a "fact check" under whatever you say! If it's all getting to be too much, come join me in my uncensored group where no stupid creeps "fact check" us.

 

[Fester]

4 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

The mask-debate continues.  Here the stance of  Tom Woods on the issue, as published today in his daily Newsletter.  I enjoy reading his common sense views on covid-19 as they always make for 'light reading' while providing factual information and never missing a beat in bringing over the serious message. 

= = = = =

Here's some advice from ol' Woods for when people try to tell you that masks brought the virus numbers down in some place. Always check. In virtually every case the numbers were already coming down before masks were mandated. It is extremely common for government officials to try to take credit for already-existing trends. For instance, you will hear that workplace injuries declined by X% after the creation of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA). What you should ask is, what was the trend before the creation of OSHA? Answer: workplace fatalities were actually declining even more rapidly before there was an OSHA! In Florida, local officials, stymied by Governor DeSantis, are desperate for something that might make them look important. They're obviously hoping that mask-wearing, including in schools, can be implemented fast enough to take the credit for the obviously inevitable decline in Florida's numbers. The problem for this scheme is that it looks like the death numbers are coming down already (and yes, that modest hump on the right-hand side of the graph is what had the lunatics screaming "DeathSantis" in recent weeks; they were basing their screeching on high but meaningless "case" numbers):

https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Zc8PApa18uFCbDaTR3n8NFwJ-nqkQDsiJuUoxWt5zZZZarF-mEuCv10uyo36EPUGGxOoXJB38DeV89Kry--xS7VfntKjD1da5Uro48-3XsaJMXgFAgVWYn86ahVG88NGk8I52V_AmGrqLf1eN0D-siiYb3k0TQ=s0-d-e1-ft#https://mcusercontent.com/77713d21ff56f1c126607d2c5/images/ca0effd5-8193-8fcc-ecc6-b0d0c7062d57.png

Now on the other hand, deaths in Germany appear to have come down after the introduction of a medical-grade mask mandate, so it's tempting to say, well, score one for the mask people. But wait a minute. There's a nearby country, with virtually no masking of any kind, medical-grade or otherwise, showing exactly the same trend at the same time: https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/VvDkbM4H6lQm8yNm_AQCL3qpz_0D7qZfRFKD2LauGvm14c4GbsQEggNj4Y2NLrP4ShZJk5J5C24bmsxhBZapBEsqyhhnoD848y53w854BXRXTV_HycHezbz8HuhI3tuzk-Db6P34rkmrJ6K0pulFob72bPcLn2k=s0-d-e1-ft#https://mcusercontent.com/77713d21ff56f1c126607d2c5/images/1c84bfd9-dc51-35f7-c2b4-de982940cd49.jpeg

Meanwhile, the American Academy of Pediatrics, which has a case of childhood mask fanaticism, is now systematically removing references on its website to any suggestion that babies might need to see human faces. Anything mentioning the importance of faces in child development, including "Face Time and Emotional Health," and a description of how adults can enrich infants four to five months old that involves repeated reference to facial cues and expressions, is now gone. Want to try to correct all this lunacy? You're the one who will wind up with a "fact check" under whatever you say! If it's all getting to be too much, come join me in my uncensored group where no stupid creeps "fact check" us.

Loada crap. Sweden added mask recommendations after numbers were already going higher and higher.

Fact check lmao.

[BlueSphinx]

3 hours ago, Fester said:

Loada crap. Sweden added mask recommendations after numbers were already going higher and higher.

Fact check lmao.

Loada crap, yes indeed.  It doesn't matter whether mask-mandates or mask-recommendations were introduced during, before or after covid-deaths.  That's what the Germany - Sweden comparison shows:

 

[Fester]

1 hour ago, BlueSphinx said:

Loada crap, yes indeed.  It doesn't matter whether mask-mandates or mask-recommendations were introduced during, before or after covid-deaths.  That's what the Germany - Sweden comparison shows:

https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/VvDkbM4H6lQm8yNm_AQCL3qpz_0D7qZfRFKD2LauGvm14c4GbsQEggNj4Y2NLrP4ShZJk5J5C24bmsxhBZapBEsqyhhnoD848y53w854BXRXTV_HycHezbz8HuhI3tuzk-Db6P34rkmrJ6K0pulFob72bPcLn2k=s0-d-e1-ft#https://mcusercontent.com/77713d21ff56f1c126607d2c5/images/1c84bfd9-dc51-35f7-c2b4-de982940cd49.jpeg

Just bacause the chart has 'mask' annoted all over it, that does not necessarily mean that wearing masks (or not) was the main factor that caused this wave of deaths.

[BlueSphinx]

1 hour ago, Fester said:

Just bacause the chart has 'mask' annoted all over it, that does not necessarily mean that wearing masks (or not) was the main factor that caused this wave of deaths.

It simply means that masks are a big nothing-burger...

[Fester]

3 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

It simply means that masks are a big nothing-burger...

Got a link to that?

[9S_]

On 8/7/2021 at 5:12 PM, BlueSphinx said:

Naaah, you just proved that NO masks are the better choice...

I’d use those masks

[Rain]

This one works nicely for me. 

Plus a fashion/political statement.

No one comes near.

 

 

 

[mcambl61]

This is my favorite mask 

[Objectivance]

On 8/14/2021 at 2:25 PM, Benroon said:

I genuinely find it funny that adults can get so worked up about wearing a face mask in a pandemic! 

Might I suggest wait for the pandemic to be over, wait for the report that says wearing a mask was never a good idea (good luck with that) and then you will have an open goal to gloat your way to martyrdom. But in the meantime sssshhhh !

Carry on ...

Your sort actually dread the idea of it being over, you love the deluded sense of purpose it gives you and you'll experience a depressive longing for it well after it's gone. My sympathies, in advance. Whatever measures you ultimately take to relieve your feelings of emptiness in it's absence, are not only validated but highly encouraged. 

[BlueSphinx]

Thanks to @WaccineChinawatiiRaporn for posting this article in another TT-thread on the total uselessness of wearing face-masks to contain covid-19 infections.

 

The More Masks Fail, The More We Need Them

Masks Aren't Working Anywhere...So We Must Keep Using Them

 

And here the link to access the full article:

https://ianmsc.substack.com/p/the-more-masks-fail-the-more-we-need?r=kt9k9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter

@Fester / @Benroon >> After having read that article with all the real-world evidence to the contrary - it would be as good as impossible to STILL believe that face-masks are beneficial and should be mandated.

[Benroon]

3 hours ago, Objectivance said:

Your sort actually dread the idea of it being over, you love the deluded sense of purpose it gives you and you'll experience a depressive longing for it well after it's gone. My sympathies, in advance. Whatever measures you ultimately take to relieve your feelings of emptiness in it's absence, are not only validated but highly encouraged. 

haha ok if you say so chump - now go for a lie down, you're hallucinating.

(wait a minute I DO dread it being over as the golf courses will fill up - its a tough one !)

[Benroon]

1 hour ago, BlueSphinx said:

Thanks to @WaccineChinawatiiRaporn for posting this article in another TT-thread on the total uselessness of wearing face-masks to contain covid-19 infections.

The More Masks Fail, The More We Need Them

Masks Aren't Working Anywhere...So We Must Keep Using Them

And here the link to access the full article:

https://ianmsc.substack.com/p/the-more-masks-fail-the-more-we-need?r=kt9k9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter

@Fester / @Benroon >> After having read that article with all the real-world evidence to the contrary - it would be as good as impossible to STILL believe that face-masks are beneficial and should be mandated.

Its just hilarious that grown up people waste so much of their lives on the merits of wearing/not wearing masks. Truly truly funny bordering on tragic !

Get over yourselves, get out more, get a family, do stuff that will bring pleasure to your lives instead of hammering sheer banal trivia into keyboards! You'll thank me for it later.