350 phony social media profiles is pushing pro-China narratives

[gummy]

46 minutes ago, billywillyjones said:

Okay why is the doman name registered in Hong Kong.  I have seen very few registrations outside Hong Kong done in Hong Kong. 

Hong Kong is a part of China.  Who would register a domain in China?

No idea nor do I really care. 

[billywillyjones]

1 minute ago, snapdragon said:

Not praising China. Pointing out that they have risen from the ashes in a short space of time.

As for Russia. Although the US has 2,000 bases scattered around the world, in today's world this could be regarded as a weakness. They can be taken out by modern warfare. IMO, Russian technologically is the equal of the US; but not in numbers.

As for China. They would fight with a billion 5G guided drones. Having aircraft carriers at sea in far off waters is, IMO, more for show and bravado than common sense.

The next war will come about because/when the US loses its dominant position in money; IMO.

Good debate.

However, Libya and Iraq ceased trading in the petro-dollar and were invaded for other reasons; we were told that Gaddify was bad and Saddam had very destructive weapons.

Now back on topic. The countries that have the information and technology will dominate.

Never send a man where you can send a missle.  Russia is not the equivalent of the US but having nukes is the ace card.  The carriers are outdated dinosaurs that can quickly be sunk via  missile or torpedo.  A ridiculous waste of money buy the profiteering and corrupt U.S. military establishment.  

In terms of bang for the buck the Soviet spending is much wiser than the USA.  If i were building a force I would simply put my money in missiles, nukes and remote controlled aircraft.  Forgot standing armies they are a thing of the past unless you have a border dispute or want to occupy a nation.

[billywillyjones]

4 minutes ago, billywillyjones said:

duplicate 

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by billywillyjones

[SnapDragon]

9 minutes ago, billywillyjones said:

Never send a man where you can send a missle.  Russia is not the equivalent of the US but having nukes is the ace card.  The carriers are outdated dinosaurs that can quickly be sunk via  missile or torpedo.  A ridiculous waste of money buy the profiteering and corrupt U.S. military establishment.  

In terms of bang for the buck the Soviet spending is much wiser than the USA.  If i were building a force I would simply put my money in missiles, nukes and remote controlled aircraft.  Forgot standing armies they are a thing of the past unless you have a border dispute or want to occupy a nation.

Good post.

On the whole I agree. But for me 'spending' is not the dominant factor. It's the effective deployment of weaponry. This is why, again IMO, information and technology is so important.

The Russians and Chinese know very well where every US base is. If John Pilger can find them; well, that just about says it!

Can't see the point of nukes TBH. The US hits Russia with 123, but the Russians only get 85 to land on US targets. So what! If it comes down to nukes; we are all doomed.

Edited August 6, 2021 by snapdragon

[mcambl61]

Just now, snapdragon said:

Good post.

On the whole I agree. But for me 'spending' is not the dominant factor. It's the effective deployment of weaponry. This is why, again IMO, information and technology is so important.

The Russians and Chinese know very well where every US base is.

Can't see the point of nukes TBH. The US hits Russia with 123, but the Russians only get 85 to land on US targets. So what! If it comes down to nukes; we are all doomed.

Yes, modernization is the only way to stay ahead. Clearing out the pentagon of all the old useless conventional warfare dead wood is needed. 

[Poolie]

2 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Yes, modernization is the only way to stay ahead. Clearing out the pentagon of all the old useless conventional warfare dead wood is needed. 

Sure, but will it happen? I doubt the White House has the balls to do it. Whomsoever is in power.

[SnapDragon]

10 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Yes, modernization is the only way to stay ahead. Clearing out the pentagon of all the old useless conventional warfare dead wood is needed. 

This is interesting.

IMO, Russia and China are getting ahead because they can look at the data and respond quickly. The US is encumbered with 101 vested interests.

John Pilger (who I mentioned in an earlier post) made a film a while back; 'The coming war on China'. I'm sure the Chinese watched it and took note.

As for the UK; my old country. It's on a collision course with armageddon. Warship in the Black sea. Warship and carrier in the south China Sea. Dear me!

Edited August 6, 2021 by snapdragon

[HolyCowCm]

Get on the CCP band wagon propaganda in China. Like if everyone is doing it then it must be true brainwashing. Nothing ever could make me like and praise the CCP. Have nothing but pure disdain towards the CCP and maybe getting black towards one owned corporation here that has allegiance to them that also has similar lettering like the CCP.

[Poolie]

2 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

Get on the CCP band wagon propaganda in China. Like if everyone is doing it then it must be true brainwashing. Nothing ever could make me like and praise the CCP. Have nothing but pure disdain towards the CCP and maybe getting black towards one owned corporation here that has allegiance to them that also has similar lettering like the CCP.

It seems that everyone thinks the Chinese are stupid. I think you're in for a surprise.

[gummy]

Just now, Poolie said:

It seems that everyone thinks the Chinese are stupid. I think you're in for a surprise.

Agreed far from it. People may not like their politics but at the end of the day they are human just like us. Well most of us on here anyway.

[mcambl61]

9 minutes ago, gummy said:

Agreed far from it. People may not like their politics but at the end of the day they are human just like us. Well most of us on here anyway.

Nobody thinks the Chinese are stupid or not human. 

 

It's the evil ccp and the totalitarian regime that demands, and receives total and complete compliance with the evil bastards in charge. 

 

The west has been weak, greedy and stupid to allow things to get where they are now. Globalists still want the status quo. China should immediately lose developing nation status in the wto and be held accountable. 

[gummy]

Just now, mcambl61 said:

Nobody thinks the Chinese are stupid or not human. 

It's the evil ccp and the totalitarian regime that demands, and receives total and complete compliance with the evil bastards in charge. 

The west has been weak, greedy and stupid to allow things to get where they are now. Globalists still want the status quo. China should immediately lose developing nation status in the wto and be held accountable. 

They have grown in power as the West capitalistic philosophy saw every logical reason for hundreds of companies to benefit from low labour costs. This allowed China to grow economically  and thus able to push on with their expansionist ideals.

Now those very same capitalist countries that used Chines cheap labour to make massive profits are now complaining. Simply put is that not Karma ? You reap what you sow always and thus don't cry over spilt milk.

The world will just have to come to terms with the fact it is the changing of the guard, just like the British had to come terms with losing their global dominance to the US previously. Mind you there are still very many Brits who have never come to terms with it, just like in a 100 years time with China then being the worlds policemen there will be Americans will never come to terms with it.

[SnapDragon]

3 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

The west has been weak, greedy and stupid to allow things to get where they are now. Globalists still want the status quo. China should immediately lose developing nation status in the wto and be held accountable. 

How has the west been weak IYO?

My opinion is that one world regime is coming to an end, and being replaced by another.

The existing power (US) is doing all it can to keep things as they are (business as usual). The Chinese (particularly, but not exclusively) want a new system and they realised decades ago what was needed to get change.

If the west was to embrace the new world order - instead of fighting it - we could have a hundred years of world prosperity.

[mcambl61]

1 minute ago, gummy said:

They have grown in power as the West capitalistic philosophy saw every logical reason for hundreds of companies to benefit from low labour costs. This allowed China to grow economically  and thus able to push on with their expansionist ideals.

Now those very same capitalist countries that used Chines cheap labour to make massive profits are now complaining. Simply put is that not Karma ? You reap what you sow always and thus don't cry over spilt milk.

The world will just have to come to terms with the fact it is the changing of the guard, just like the British had to come terms with losing their global dominance to the US previously. Mind you there are still very many Brits who have never come to terms with it, just like in a 100 years time with China then being the worlds policemen there will be Americans will never come to terms with it.

It has nothing to do with capitalism, but I am sure you are a big fan of socialism. 

 

The governments that allowed companies to destroy their own manufacturing capacity for profit are to blame for sure, that I agree with. Capitalism is not the problem. It's the complete and total surrender of the governments that were bought off by the globalist corporations to allow it to happen and they still are. 

 

If western governments have not woken up after the Wuhan virus, they never will. And they all need to be voted out. 

 

The EU is right back to the trough of China and the weak already bought off obiden administration is right behind them. 

[billybob]

3 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

How has the west been weak IYO?

My opinion is that one world regime is coming to an end, and being replaced by another.

The existing power (US) is doing all it can to keep things as they are (business as usual). The Chinese (particularly, but not exclusively) want a new system and they realised decades ago what was needed to get change.

If the west was to embrace the new world order - instead of fighting it - we could have a hundred years of world prosperity.

Crikey snap we don't agree on covid but consider yourself fist-bumped !

[Poolie]

3 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

It has nothing to do with capitalism, but I am sure you are a big fan of socialism. 

The governments that allowed companies to destroy their own manufacturing capacity for profit are to blame for sure, that I agree with. Capitalism is not the problem. It's the complete and total surrender of the governments that were bought off by the globalist corporations to allow it to happen and they still are. 

If western governments have not woken up after the Wuhan virus, they never will. And they all need to be voted out. 

The EU is right back to the trough of China and the weak already bought off obiden administration is right behind them. 

Maybe the western Governments aren't so convinced that this pandemics origin is Wuhan?

[mcambl61]

8 minutes ago, snapdragon said:

How has the west been weak IYO?

My opinion is that one world regime is coming to an end, and being replaced by another.

The existing power (US) is doing all it can to keep things as they are (business as usual). The Chinese (particularly, but not exclusively) want a new system and they realised decades ago what was needed to get change.

If the west was to embrace the new world order - instead of fighting it - we could have a hundred years of world prosperity.

You can keep your new world order. 

It has nothing to do with order or prosperity. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by mcambl61

[HolyCowCm]

1 hour ago, Poolie said:

It seems that everyone thinks the Chinese are stupid. I think you're in for a surprise.

Nope. Actually I don't considering the CCP or the Chinese folk.. But on the surface outside the Chinese folk on the whole are forced to look like they quack like a communist red duck. But just to be sure, can you kindly expand on your statement on if you are referring to the CCP or the people themselves? Then I would be better suited to have a more formal reply for you.

[Poolie]

4 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Nope. Actually I don't considering the CCP or the Chinese folk.. But on the surface outside the Chinese folk on the whole are forced to look like they quack like a communist red duck. But just to be sure, can you kindly expand on your statement on if you are referring to the CCP or the people themselves? Then I would be better suited to have a more formal reply for you.

There is little difference between the Chinese people and the CPC.

[HolyCowCm]

47 minutes ago, Poolie said:

There is little difference between the Chinese people and the CPC.

So on the majority as you see it. I see their CCP Wolf media warriors a lot like Fox News from USA. But let's stop it right there as this is only about the CCP and China. No more discussion on USA. 

[Poolie]

8 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

So on the majority as you see it. I see their CCP Wolf media warriors a lot like Fox News from USA. But let's stop it right there as this is only about the CCP and China. No more discussion on USA. 

This popular phrase 'I dont hate the Chinese people, I hate the CPC'  doesnt hold water. There are maybe 110m card carrying members of the CPC in levels of Government from village right up to Zongnanhai. They will have at least four good friends each. Thats 500m people. Then you've got acquaintances looking for a favour and relatives. Add on classmates which are friends for life and you've got 950m people who are closely associated with card carrying CPC members. So you see it cant be separated. 

Proves to me that people educated (and I use the word loosely) in the west just dont know what they're talking about.

[Smithydog]

If you feel the need to create a phony profile to push a message, it is easy for others to believe the message you are projecting is different to actual reality.

If your message is strong, for example the greatness and prosperity of your society, why would you need to control the scope of internet access and access to social forums? Especially when you supposedly have the majority of your population believing in your message. Why is there a need to hide?

I would offer that is suggests the message you are trying to project will not stand up to scrutiny when freely exposed. Hence it is perhaps, not as strong as they project and they fear the loss of face should the world find out the reality of what is happening.

China is entitled to run its country how it sees fit. But if they want to be the Leader in the sandpit, they shouldn't underestimate how the other kids see them as. Perhaps "wolf diplomacy" and "phony accounts" is not the way to win over belief from other countries.

We don't think the Chinese are stupid and neither should they think the same of other countries.

 

[Poolie]

16 minutes ago, Smithydog said:

If you feel the need to create a phony profile to push a message, it is easy for others to believe the message you are projecting is different to actual reality.

If your message is strong, for example the greatness and prosperity of your society, why would you need to control the scope of internet access and access to social forums? Especially when you supposedly have the majority of your population believing in your message. Why is there a need to hide?

I would offer that is suggests the message you are trying to project will not stand up to scrutiny when freely exposed. Hence it is perhaps, not as strong as they project and they fear the loss of face should the world find out the reality of what is happening.

China is entitled to run its country how it sees fit. But if they want to be the Leader in the sandpit, they shouldn't underestimate how the other kids see them as. Perhaps "wolf diplomacy" and "phony accounts" is not the way to win over belief from other countries.

We don't think the Chinese are stupid and neither should they think the same of other countries.

You've got to remember who is publishing this. The BBC.

Recently banned from China for telling lies.

[Smithydog]

28 minutes ago, Poolie said:

You've got to remember who is publishing this. The BBC.

Recently banned from China for telling lies.

Actually the full reason was "seriously violate" broadcast guidelines, including "the requirement that news should be truthful and fair" and not "harm China's national interests" as was quoted by the BBC in their own news report.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56030340

Despite them being one of the world's most trusted news broadcasters, I am the sure the decision also had "nothing" to do with the fact that just over a week earlier the British Regulator cancelled the broadcast licence of China Global Television Network (CGTN) for alleged breaches of British law.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/media/media-releases/2021/ofcom-revokes-cgtn-licence-to-broadcast-in-uk

Funny how these "coincidences" just seem to keep happening with China. But I suppose, it could never possibly be China's fault.

[Poolie]

21 minutes ago, Smithydog said:

Actually the full reason was "seriously violate" broadcast guidelines, including "the requirement that news should be truthful and fair" and not "harm China's national interests" as was quoted by the BBC in their own news report.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56030340

Despite them being one of the world's most trusted news broadcasters, I am the sure the decision also had "nothing" to do with the fact that just over a week earlier the British Regulator cancelled the broadcast licence of China Global Television Network (CGTN) for alleged breaches of British law.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/media/media-releases/2021/ofcom-revokes-cgtn-licence-to-broadcast-in-uk

Funny how these "coincidences" just seem to keep happening with China. But I suppose, it could never possibly be China's fault.

Action speak louder than words.