Thursday Covid Update: High of 20,920 new cases and 160 deaths

[mcambl61]

3 minutes ago, gummy said:

Are its Orwell again, must be your favourite author. 

Favorite? No. 

 

Just horribly ironic that he was a devout socialist and described perfectly what the left is doing now, but he wrote it as if only the capitalist / right could be that totalitarian and evil. 

 

Understand? 

[gummy]

1 minute ago, mcambl61 said:

Favorite? No. 

Just horribly ironic that he was a devout socialist and described perfectly what the left is doing now, but he wrote it as if only the capitalist / right could be that totalitarian and evil. 

Understand? 

Well it's good to hear that you actually understood his point as you appear to understand little else

[mcambl61]

Just now, gummy said:

Well it's good to hear that you actually understood his point as you appear to understand little else

Well gummy, as the typical leftist, you assume that you have any idea what I understand about anything else, because you have decided that you are somehow more intelligent because of your ideological beliefs. 

 

You aren't. But you can always pretend that you are. 

 

Now go troll someone else, and let's get back to the topic of the constant fear mongering and panic of covid. 

[stuhan]

57 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

Lock-downs - when they work - only SLOW the spread, and governments applying such measures have never stated otherwise.  How this saves lives and the economy is one of those mysteries that owners of small businesses that had their life's work destroyed by lock-downs would surely be interested in... 

By the way: the factual evidence is compelling that lock-downs do NOT make any difference in reducing covid infection-spreads/deaths.  Sweden being one of those 'black swans' that show that lock-downs are useless.  The South Dakota/North Dakota figures being another case in point. 

Firstly, i did not imply lockdowns stopped the virus,it's a well accepted fact  it only slows it down.I am saying lockdowns are helping to slow the infections until the population is vaccinated and that will speed up getting the economy and business's back online again.Once again i say, today several countries extended or started new lockdowns,why would they implement such actions if they thought slowing it down did nothing ,they need their economies to recover same as thailand does. Sweden's approach was seen by many as a mistake but they have the lowest rates in Europe granted,but has still high case's  1,104,538 with a population of 10,000,000 much lower than thailand.

So tell me, what is your your solution without lockdowns to eliminating the rise in case's with hardly any vaccines, and how would you explain to more business owners that  by not using lockdowns, why there life long work has gone down the pan. Perhaps you think following Sweden's example is the answer. The Italian people poll results show the majority of people want the restrictions so they can get back to normal asap,same for uk,france,belgium,germany that must mean something if they support lockdowns.

We will just wait and see what this goverment decides

[gummy]

Just now, mcambl61 said:

Well gummy, as the typical leftist, you assume that you have any idea what I understand about anything else, because you have decided that you are somehow more intelligent because of your ideological beliefs. 

You aren't. But you can always pretend that you are. 

Now go troll someone else, and let's get back to the topic of the constant fear mongering and panic of covid. 

You are showing yourself up again . The topic is a report about covid cases. For simplification so that perhaps you can grasp what it means then  it is not about the Chinese or their politics, neither is it about various US political parties and it is most certainly not about George Orwell all subjects you deflected it into. So yes please keep this thread on topic if you would please.

[stuhan]

9 minutes ago, gummy said:

Well it's good to hear that you actually understood his point as you appear to understand little else

I just ignored him and a few other trollers

[gummy]

4 minutes ago, stuhan said:

I just ignored him and a few other trollers

Yes I think you did the right thing

[mcambl61]

5 minutes ago, gummy said:

You are showing yourself up again . The topic is a report about covid cases. For simplification so that perhaps you can grasp what it means then  it is not about the Chinese or their politics, neither is it about various US political parties and it is most certainly not about George Orwell all subjects you deflected it into. So yes please keep this thread on topic if you would please.

I wasn't deflecting. 

I was pointing out that this entire covid thing has been a shining example of the governments and their media co-conspirators to decide what information is deemed "correct" and what information they need to suppress or delete. 

 

If you are not able to understand why that is a relevant issue, then you are obviously not paying attention. 

 

So stop the ridiculous condescending tone and back to the orchestrated circus of covid fear mongering and panic. 

[Poolie]

38 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Thanks for being the forum's hall monitor. 

This is from George Orwell, which is yet another example of the irony of the present leftists that are pushing it. 

"the further people get from the truth the more people will hate those who say it." 

George Orwell was a novelist who wrote fiction.

This is from real life.

[BlueSphinx]

16 minutes ago, stuhan said:

... The Italian people poll results show the majority of people want the restrictions so they can get back to normal asap,same for uk,france,belgium,germany that must mean something if they support lockdowns.

We will just wait and see what this government decides

It means that the people of italy, uk, france, belgium, germany, etc. believed the government promises that restrictions would pave the road to normality.  You can ask the UK citizens how that worked out...

[dmacarelli]

11 hours ago, dimitri said:

Where I come from all people in hospitals now are:

-Not vaccinated

-Received only 1 dose of the vaccine

-Are old, and their bodies didn't make enough antibodies after getting the vaccine to prevent them from getting ill. They now try to find out if a third dose would make a difference.

The vaccine prevents you from getting very ill and dying. Why doesn't it live up to the definition of a vaccine?  With the flu vaccine it is not much different, you can still get ill. But the chance is smaller, and if you get ill it is less serious.

It is now also proven that vaccinated people can pass Covid on to others, but the chance of something like that happening is much smaller.

Where does so much ignorance come from?

A never ending cascade of fear mongering, the ability of the government and the media to whip people up into a frenzy, and somehow equate this ongoing pandemic with Bubonic plague. You get near me you are going to die! 

[Stonker]

2 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

By the way: the factual evidence is compelling that lock-downs do NOT make any difference in reducing covid infection-spreads/deaths.  Sweden being one of those 'black swans' that show that lock-downs are useless.  T

By the way, this is completely untrue - there is no such compelling evidence, and Sweden has never had a proper lockdown.

 

Keep repeating it, though, and I'm sure the flat-earthers who already believe you will continue to, and at you'll feel better.

[SnapDragon]

1 minute ago, Stonker said:

By the way, this is completely untrue - there is no such compelling evidence, and Sweden has never had a proper lockdown.

Keep repeating it, though, and I'm sure the flat-earthers who already believe you will continue to, and at you'll feel better.

This supposes that there is a virus to be contained.

Perhaps the countries that didn't lock-down didn't go overboard with the PCR testing.

[stuhan]

26 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

It means that the people of italy, uk, france, belgium, germany, etc. believed the government promises that restrictions would pave the road to normality.  You can ask the UK citizens how that worked out...

Who else can you believe in? ,and the u.k had new infections due to opening to soon,not the lockdowns they worked The others opened to soon too and had the same problems.

Edited August 7, 2021 by stuhan

[Faraday]

6 minutes ago, Stonker said:

flat-earthers

Give it a rest...

 

[SnapDragon]

21 minutes ago, stuhan said:

Who else can you believe in? ,and the u.k had new infections due to opening to soon,not the lockdowns they worked same as the others.

Believe in the truth. Believe in solid science. Believe in your instincts as a human. Stand back from the dark and experience the light!

",,,,the UK had new infections due to opening to soon,,,," I'm looking, along with many others. Can't see infections; new or old. The people are being spun a yarn. Being jerked about like a puppet by its master.

The data, truth and facts, are out there for all to see. Mostly government's own stats.

Edited August 7, 2021 by snapdragon

[mcambl61]

17 minutes ago, stuhan said:

Who else can you believe in? ,and the u.k had new infections due to opening to soon,not the lockdowns they worked The others opened to soon too and had the same problems.

Zero reasons for the uk not to open up again, as they have a high percentage of vaccinated population. 

 

Cases or infections are not the issue. 

 

Hospitalization rates and if the death rates were increasing are. 

 

Stop the ridiculous overreaction and fear mongering 

[Donald]

11 hours ago, dimitri said:

Where I come from all people in hospitals now are:

-Not vaccinated

-Received only 1 dose of the vaccine

-Are old, and their bodies didn't make enough antibodies after getting the vaccine to prevent them from getting ill. They now try to find out if a third dose would make a difference.

The vaccine prevents you from getting very ill and dying. Why doesn't it live up to the definition of a vaccine?  With the flu vaccine it is not much different, you can still get ill. But the chance is smaller, and if you get ill it is less serious.

It is now also proven that vaccinated people can pass Covid on to others, but the chance of something like that happening is much smaller.

Where does so much ignorance come from?

And where does your wisdom comes from ? Main stream media, politicians, self appointed experts ?  I have been following the whole development since day one and am stunned as to how gullible people are and how they are being manipulated and brainwashed. I don't know here you come from, but it's general knowledge that only a few have received the vaccine in Thailand and as such the fact that most hospitalized people are unvaccinated makes sense. But, why don't you look at Israel where most people are fully vaccinated and the numbers of sick and hospitalized people are increasing by the day. And at the other hand what about Sweden ? No lock downs, no general mask wearing, all shops open for business. Just check  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/     The death rate has been near zero for about two months now. Or just listen to what Dr Michael Yeadon has to say in his interview "we are staring at the gates of hell". In case you don't know, Dr Yeadon was the chief scientist and vice president of the allergy and respiratory research division of Pfizer. Now, he is described by Wikipedia as making false and unfounded claims regarding the Covid 19 virus. Who is spreading fake news ? The truth is definitely not wanted. Just a quote from Mark Twain. "It is easier to fool people then to convince them yhat they have been fooled".

[BlueSphinx]

32 minutes ago, Stonker said:

By the way, this is completely untrue - there is no such compelling evidence, and Sweden has never had a proper lockdown.

Keep repeating it, though, and I'm sure the flat-earthers who already believe you will continue to, and at you'll feel better.

Yes exactly, Sweden never had a 'proper' lock-down.  So it was expected by the lock-down adepts, that infections/deaths would sky-rocket due to this 'dangerous policy' of keeping most of the country open.  But surprise, surprise > the Swedish figures are no worse than those of countries (like the UK) that went for a hard lock-down, and in the process destroyed much of their small-business economy.  

I can easily post the data/stats to prove the above, but as you seldom back-up your contrarian responses with any data/figures/sources except the 'Stonker Seal of Approval', I don't see why I should do that effort as anybody can find the evidence for themselves doing some research and not on 'obscure websites' but in the officially published government figures.

[Stardust]

12 hours ago, Soidog said:

Thanks for the link and all very interesting data. The key comment is right at the end where he suggests they need 2 Trillion Baht. That’s around £GB44 billion  or $US61 billion dollars. That is not such a large amount of borrowing for a normal Thai economy to service. It’s biggest problem is that it can’t get the economy working to service the debt until the Covid wave is over. I fear Thailand’s only option will be to borrow from China, and that will come with more than financial strings attached !!

Nobody wants a loan in Chinese money and the Chinese have a usd and euro problem (not enough) to give loans. By the way the creditors are western country same like with Thai airways ( USA, Germany, Swiss and Japan) and not China. 

[Stardust]

11 hours ago, dimitri said:

If that is your definition of being broke...   Google "how many people in the us live paycheck to paycheck ?"

"The Majority of U.S. Consumers Live Paycheck-to-Paycheck

According to the research, 54 percent of consumers in the U.S. (125 million U.S. adults) are living paycheck-to-paycheck, with 21 percent of this population struggling to pay their bills, meaning they have little or no money left over after spending their income."

Having no money in the bank is common for most people in the US. A country some people consider to be a rich country. And I am sure that in Europe it is not much better.

You really doesn't know anything about economy. Just compare Thailands gdp in usd to these countries and their productivity or to Germany with a almost the same size of the population then maybe You understand why , USA, Japan or Germany can make more debts. To make it easy for sombody who has zero knowledge of a economy I give you an example. You earn 200 usd (gdp)  per month,  you have debts already and want another million usd from your bank. What do you think your bank will tell you? If you have no knowledge about economies and their difference and want to compare it is better not write about it! 

[stuhan]

16 minutes ago, BlueSphinx said:

Yes exactly, Sweden never had a 'proper' lock-down.  So it was expected by the lock-down adepts, that infections/deaths would sky-rocket due to this 'dangerous policy' of keeping most of the country open.  But surprise, surprise > the Swedish figures are no worse than those of countries (like the UK) that went for a hard lock-down, and in the process destroyed much of their small-business economy.  

I can easily post the data/stats to prove the above, but as you seldom back-up your contrarian responses with any data/figures/sources except the 'Stonker Seal of Approval', I don't see why I should do that effort as anybody can find the evidence for themselves doing some research and not on 'obscure websites' but in the officially published government figures.

 

[Chaimai]

15 minutes ago, Stardust said:

You really doesn't know anything about economy. Just compare Thailands gdp in usd to these countries and their productivity or to Germany with a almost the same size of the population then maybe You understand why , USA, Japan or Germany can make more debts. To make it easy for sombody who has zero knowledge of a economy I give you an example. You earn 200 usd (gdp)  per month,  you have debts already and want another million usd from your bank. What do you think your bank will tell you? If you have no knowledge about economies and their difference and want to compare it is better not write about it! 

 

You might be flattering yourself by talking in depth about GDP in Thailand.......the black economy is huge and banks are only the thin end of any debt wedge.

 

Loans from within the villages are usurious despite there being an official maximum borrowing rate 15%.

 

5/6% per month is not unusual. A friend lends at 3% per annum, charged on a daily basis until repaid - no penalty for early payment, and he has a constant supply of customers.

 

Borrowing 100,000 Baht on the security of a chanote of 3 rai of farmland does not involve much due diligence - or credit assessment. In fact there are many 'agents' going round pushing the availability of loans....... a rich source of business is the illegal gambling dens.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Chaimai

[Stardust]

25 minutes ago, Stardust said:

You really doesn't know anything about economy. Just compare Thailands gdp in usd to these countries and their productivity or to Germany with a almost the same size of the population then maybe You understand why , USA, Japan or Germany can make more debts. To make it easy for sombody who has zero knowledge of a economy I give you an example. You earn 200 usd (gdp)  per month,  you have debts already and want another million usd from your bank. What do you think your bank will tell you? If you have no knowledge about economies and their difference and want to compare it is better not write about it! 

And by the way it is not my definition, it is called economy, gdp and numbers and i don't have to google a lot or research it is very simple I look at the gdps in usd or euro and the productivity and get all the answers it is just simple as that and don't need my definitions because there are numbers !

[Stardust]

39 minutes ago, Chaimai said:

You might be flattering yourself by talking in depth about GDP in Thailand.......the black economy is huge and banks are only the thin end of any debt wedge.

Loans from within the villages are usurious despite there being an official maximum borrowing rate 15%.

5/6% per month is not unusual. A friend lends at 3% per annum, charged on a daily basis until repaid - no penalty for early payment, and he has a constant supply of customers.

Borrowing 100,000 Baht on the security of a chanote of 3 rai of farmland does not involve much due diligence - or credit assessment. In fact there are many 'agents' going round pushing the availability of loans....... a rich source of business is the illegal gambling dens.

Flattering? This is not by me thats by every bank, central bank or economy like that! And even when there is black money from the Mafias in billions of usd or euro this will end up in the official economy datas because they spent the money or if they lend money private as you mention he will go with that money to a market or shopping mall to buy something or a gas station for petrol. You are another one who has no clue about economy, gdp and numbers. To understand you not need any definitions only thing you have to understand is that 10$ are less than 100$ and thats the definition and this is not because of me it is by numbers. OMG