Thursday Covid Update: High of 20,920 new cases and 160 deaths

[Stonker]

7 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Again, you are not the judge of my humanity or anyone else's. The fact that you think you do is a perfect example of your arrogance. 

You think you have that right based on your opinions. You don't. 

Actually I do - it's called having an opinion and expressing it!

 

If I think you're an inconsiderate a*sehole based on what you say, and I back it up based on what you've said  then I've got every right to say so.

 

That may not suit you, but ... well ... fortunately inconsiderate a*seholes aren't running everything.

13 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

No one said a word about who is or is not helping others. Just because I disagree with you does not have anything to do with helping others.

Well actually they did ... unless you think saying that leaving people to "fight for themselves" is "helping others".

 

I'm starting to wonder if you actually read other people's comments .....

19 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

It's the ridiculous arrogant notion of leftists that their views on society are somehow more humane or caring than those who disagree with their ideology. 

You have got a thing about "leftists" - did someone with a red shirt do something naughty to you?

 

FWIW, which is very little, my politics are actually slightly right of Genghis Khan and I think the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

24 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

You have no idea about me or anyone else's actions to help others. 

Actually I do, based on what you or anyone else has written here - if they're Jimmy Savile and they're pretending to be Mother Theresa, or vice-versa, well ... all I can go on is what they've written.

 

29 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Yoy don't get to decide what "obligation" anyone else has to help society or by what means. 

No, but I do get to state my opinion here - at least until I'm banned, just as you do!

 

32 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Leftists think they get to decide what others have to "give" to satisfy their ideology.  They have no right to determine that for anyone but themselves. 

Seriously?

 

So do "rightists"!!!

 

That's how politics works everywhere, regardless of left or right ... apart from maybe in mcambland

 

 

[Soidog]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

Well presented sir... 

Leftists don't like reality and data in proper context. 

It really damages the titanium bubble they exist in, protected and reinforced by corrupt media narratives. 

Bravo.

I totally disagree with the sentiment that lockdowns, properly managed, don’t work. They do work. They work everywhere they have been used. Im also NOT saying that other factors can also reduce the spread and help reduce lockdown time. 
 

I’m more amused by the fact that you think anyone who supports lockdown is a “Leftist”. I don’t think I could be more right-wing if I tried. I’m somewhere right of Genghis Khan

[JackIsAGoodBoy]

Just now, billybob said:

Florida update - hospitals on the brink.

Hospitals in Florida are struggling with more Covid-19 patients than at any point in the pandemic, as the fast spreading Delta variant strains US states with low vaccination rates and few Covid restrictions.

Florida is at the heart of the virus’s latest surge in the US, with its hospitals now holding 12,408 Covid patients, the highest level since the pandemic began, according to a Financial Times analysis of US Department of Health and Human Services data.

Occupancy in the south-eastern US state’s intensive care units is on course to hit an all-time high by this weekend.

Except Floridians themselves are saying this is all bullshit. One lady even drove around to take photos of these "overflowing" hospitals. Empty parking places. Nothing out of ordinary. Nurses and doctors are saying everything normal, no problems.

Just like with India, all bullshit about "country on the brink". Did you notice India dropped out of media coverage last month because no more juicy stories fitting the doomsday narrative.

Then those CDC morons actually came out and outright lied that 99 percent of new patients are supposedly unvaccinated. Yeah, except in England, Delta cases since Feb 1st: 229218 cases, 460 deaths (0,2 %). 1416 vaccinated inpatients, 2152 unvaccinated inpatients. 289 vaccinated died, 165 unvaccinated, 6 unknown. Does that look like 99 percent?! Hell no. Must be another "delta delta" variant then!

Narrative driven MSM bullshit once again.

[Stonker]

31 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Of course it's been draconian. The entire Thai economy and the majority of the population are on the brink of total and complete financial ruin. 

I don't want to criticise your education as you seem to be rather sensitive about it, but the lockdown here hasn't actually been "draconian".

 

Irrational, badly thought out, badly implemented, counter-productive, etc  -  undoubtedly.

 

But "draconian"?

 

Sorry, but quantifiably and compared to many world-wide it hasn't been.

 

 

[billybob]

5 minutes ago, JackIsAGoodBoy said:

Except Floridians themselves are saying this is all bullshit. One lady even drove around to take photos of these "overflowing" hospitals. Empty parking places. Nothing out of ordinary. Nurses and doctors are saying everything normal, no problems.

Just like with India, all bullshit about "country on the brink". Did you notice India dropped out of media coverage last month because no more juicy stories fitting the doomsday narrative.

Then those CDC morons actually came out and outright lied that 99 percent of new patients are supposedly unvaccinated. Yeah, except in England, Delta cases since Feb 1st: 229218 cases, 460 deaths (0,2 %). 1416 vaccinated inpatients, 2152 unvaccinated inpatients. 289 vaccinated died, 165 unvaccinated, 6 unknown. Does that look like 99 percent?! Hell no. Must be another "delta delta" variant then!

Narrative driven MSM bullshit once again.

One lady driving around or the Financial Times a difficult one that....

 

[mcambl61]

15 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Actually I do - it's called having an opinion and expressing it!

If I think you're an inconsiderate a*sehole based on what you say, and I back it up based on what you've said  then I've got every right to say so.

That may not suit you, but ... well ... fortunately inconsiderate a*seholes aren't running everything.

Well actually they did ... unless you think saying that leaving people to "fight for themselves" is "helping others".

I'm starting to wonder if you actually read other people's comments .....

You have got a thing about "leftists" - did someone with a red shirt do something naughty to you?

FWIW, which is very little, my politics are actually slightly right of Genghis Khan and I think the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Actually I do, based on what you or anyone else has written here - if they're Jimmy Savile and they're pretending to be Mother Theresa, or vice-versa, well ... all I can go on is what they've written.

No, but I do get to state my opinion here - at least until I'm banned, just as you do!

Seriously?

So do "rightists"!!!

That's how politics works everywhere, regardless of left or right ... apart from maybe in mcambland

Again, you don't get to decide who is deemed more humane than anyone else. That is the most common trait of leftists. 

Nice try to deflect though. 

 

 

[mcambl61]

3 minutes ago, Stonker said:

I don't want to criticise your education as you seem to be rather sensitive about it, but the lockdown here hasn't actually been "draconian".

Irrational, badly thought out, badly implemented, counter-productive, etc  -  undoubtedly.

But "draconian"?

Sorry, but quantifiably and compared to many world-wide it hasn't been.

You certainly are not qualified to question my "education" but then you already have. 

 

That we can agree on. 

[mcambl61]

21 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I totally disagree with the sentiment that lockdowns, properly managed, don’t work. They do work. They work everywhere they have been used. Im also NOT saying that other factors can also reduce the spread and help reduce lockdown time. 
 

I’m more amused by the fact that you think anyone who supports lockdown is a “Leftist”. I don’t think I could be more right-wing if I tried. I’m somewhere right of Genghis Khan

OK, your genghis Khan that supports the crushing of entire economies and industries as well as the economic welfare of hundreds of thousands millions of people's jobs and businesses. 

[Stonker]

2 hours ago, JackIsAGoodBoy said:

OK, here it goes.

Michigan: very strict: 21K died. Population 10M.

California: very strict: 64K died. Pop: 39,5M

New York: very strict: 53K died, Pop: 19,4M

Texas: medium strict: 52K died, Pop: 29M

Florida: relaxed since fall 2020: 39K died. Pop: 21,5M. Florida has also a lot older population than most other states. Florida won this one.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/

Sorry, I completely missed this before but noticed it as I was looking for a different post.

 

Your link has nothing to do with lockdowns at all, nor is it taken after lockdowns but a couple of days ago regardless of whether the lockdowns finished the week before or a year before, and regardless of what's happened since.

 

Even if it was made after a lockdown, you can't in any case measure effectiveness of any system based just on a comparison of raw final results while ignoring what the start point was - that's about as basic as it gets!

 

You're completely ignoring improvement, which is the key issue of whether any system works or not.  It's like looking at two classes of swimmers and deciding which has the better coach based on a swim-off, even though one class has been swimming for years and the other were all non-swimmers a month before.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Stonker
posted before completion

[mcambl61]

45 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I never said the Delta variant was more fatal. I said that the virus will mutate the more we allow it to spread and that a mutation could become more fatal. I’m spreading no fear. 

Covid is going to spread no matter what you do. Trying to stop it is futile. 

Vaccinating the vulnerable is the only measure that is needed. 

 

Period. 

[Stardust]

39 minutes ago, Soidog said:

Yes I agree with all of that. But it’s about how the government support lockdown. People shouldn’t be saying lockdown is not the right thing to do. What they should be saying is supported lockdown is what’s needed. People should be given money (and the government can certainly get it) to support people properly. It’s not lockdown that’s wrong, it’s unsupported lockdown that’s wrong 

Sure but they not paid out the compensations they anounced a month ago. Til now it is rumour like the millions of millions of doses they anounced. They are broke. Thats the article was " how to save a country that is broke".

They messed up all. And I understand what you mean but the fact is it us too late and messed up and 84% of the Thai population has no money on the bank accounts anymore to survive a lockdown. Thats the sad fact 

[mcambl61]

45 minutes ago, Soidog said:

Yes I agree with all of that. But it’s about how the government support lockdown. People shouldn’t be saying lockdown is not the right thing to do. What they should be saying is supported lockdown is what’s needed. People should be given money (and the government can certainly get it) to support people properly. It’s not lockdown that’s wrong, it’s unsupported lockdown that’s wrong 

Some countries have that capacity while plunging themselves under a mountain of unsustainable debt. 

 

Some don't. 

 

It's not a one size fits all approach, but it is certainly being used way too much. 

[mcambl61]

36 minutes ago, billybob said:

Florida update - hospitals on the brink.

Hospitals in Florida are struggling with more Covid-19 patients than at any point in the pandemic, as the fast spreading Delta variant strains US states with low vaccination rates and few Covid restrictions.

Florida is at the heart of the virus’s latest surge in the US, with its hospitals now holding 12,408 Covid patients, the highest level since the pandemic began, according to a Financial Times analysis of US Department of Health and Human Services data.

Occupancy in the south-eastern US state’s intensive care units is on course to hit an all-time high by this weekend.

“We’re all exhausted, the emergency rooms are overrun, we’re at 100 per cent bed capacity,” said Frederick Southwick, an infectious diseases specialist in Gainesville, Florida, adding that some hospitals have stopped taking elective surgeries.

Other US states are also struggling, with facilities in Louisiana holding more Covid patients in its intensive care units than at the state’s winter peak, and Arkansas and Missouri rapidly approaching the same record.
 

https://www.ft.com/content/21ed4e9c-2b20-4a9d-bf38-6b76212beef8

More media driven fear mongering. 

 

About 38 percent of the filled ICU beds were occupied by patients with Covid-19. 

 

Totally fake news being pushed by the mainstream media. 

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, Guevara said:

Not at all, it's called studying, education and hands on. Try it, it might open your blinkered eyes.

But it failed in Thailand thats the sad fact

[Paco]

today a lot higher infection where i live... just because they only doing bangkok and around chonburi, other provinces now will get high infections because nothing of vaccination have been done in these places

[Stonker]

19 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Again, you don't get to decide who is deemed more humane than anyone else. That is the most common trait of leftists. 

Nice try to deflect though. 

Sorry, but I do!

 

You may not agree, but that's your right too.

17 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

You certainly are not qualified to question my "education" but then you already have. 

That we can agree on. 

Well, I'm certainly qualified to say that you don't know what draconian means - all that takes is a dictionary!

[King Cotton]

38 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I’m somewhere right of Genghis Khan

I thought he was the new Spurs manager.

Just trying to lighten the mood a tad . . . before the gloves come off.

[BraveNewFahrenheit]

6 hours ago, stuhan said:

 and get back to life are completely uncalled for sad & offensive to say the least. You have failed to understand the basics of this serious situation (People are scared).

You got one thing right, people are scared. Fear is the strongest human emotion, you scare people and you can get them to do very irrational things, witness the last 18 months. Really helps you understand how all those things happened in the past.

Saying people should improve their health is now offensive? Not surprising given the times we are living in were "healthy at any weight" is the narrative pushed by the mainstream media.

The fact is the gov't does not care about your health, covid is not even in the top 10 cause of deaths in Thailand, lots of stuff ahead of it, heart disease, cancer, all sorts of metabolic disorders most of which are all due to lifestyle choices.

Nearly all of the people in the U.S. who had severe reactions to a covid infection were vitamin D deficient and obese. These are facts. You should read Fauci's emails, you might want to copy his daily vitamin D supplement dose.

[Soidog]

18 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

OK, your genghis Khan that supports the crushing of entire economies and industries as well as the economic welfare of hundreds of thousands millions of people's jobs and businesses. 

Ok, you are Just being argumentative now. It was a joke about Genghis Khan but I’m far from being a “Leftie”. 
I trust scientific experts over a guy on a Thai news forum. 
Lets hope this doesn’t happen to too many who won’t trust the science 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-vaccine-hesitant-john-eyers-dies-b1896650.html

[Stonker]

6 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

More media driven fear mongering. 

About 38 percent of the filled ICU beds were occupied by patients with Covid-19. 

Totally fake news being pushed by the mainstream media. 

and you clearly don't understand what "fake news" means either!

 

That 38% of filled ICU beds were occupied by patients with Covid-19 has nothing to do with the article  @billybob posted, apart from to confirm his point - were it not for the Covid-19 cases they'd be at only 68% occupancy!

[Soidog]

16 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Some countries have that capacity while plunging themselves under a mountain of unsustainable debt. 

Some don't. 

It's not a one size fits all approach, but it is certainly being used way too much. 

Yes I totally agree. Many countries can afford the debt while other struggle. I see Thailand as a middle income country with strong financial reserves. They could and should be doing more to help. Not to mention the many Thai Billionaires who have made an enormous profit off the backs of low paid workers 

[King Cotton]

45 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Vaccinating the vulnerable is the only measure that is needed. 

 . . . Plus all those who agree to be vaccinated, surely . . . or do you turn a blind eye to those, due to the dire unavailability of vaccines?

Let's keep the leftist vs rightist politics out of it, when the overriding fact bearing heavily on the lockdown argument is that, if a couple of 'big guys' put their minds to it, Thailand could suddenly find itself capable of buying all the damned vaccines it needs to vaccinate all willing recipients, at which point a lockdown might appear no more than a stupid, fear-mongering idea.

[cacadordemim]

9 hours ago, Guevara said:

No way they should simply open up. It as you rightly point out become another India. But equally there has been a half baked, half hearted attempt at a lockdown. Tim Newton (tongue in cheek) avoids using the 'L' word. A seriously robust lockdown is the realistic solution (along with a radical roll out of vaccinations) in an attempt to get these figures reduced.

Malaysia has had very restrictive and robust MCO's (movement control orders) in place for months. These are a very restrictive and are strictly enforced. Last year's Thailand lockdown was a Glastonbury Festival in comparison to what Malaysia has done. Fines for violating the rules were upped from 7,800 baht (equivalent) to 78,000 baht last March.  They also have a vaccine rollout plan that, after a similar poor start and questions about procurement, has since outpaced Thailand's effort.

Today Malaysia recorded 20,596 new infections. That's only 324 cases behind Thailand.

[cacadordemim]

13 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I see Thailand as a middle income country with strong financial reserves.

About 16 hours ago, there was an op-ed in today's Bangkok Post by respected freelance economist Chartchai Parasuk called "How to save country when it's broke." Among other things, it broadly countered the notion of Thailand having a fat wallet.

I hope some members managed to read it earlier as it has now been '404'd.

[BraveNewFahrenheit]

1 hour ago, mcambl61 said:

Of course it's been draconian. The entire Thai economy and the majority of the population are on the brink of total and complete financial ruin. 

For the first time in a long while I just watched the local Thai news with this chick the other day helping to translate a bunch I could not catch...holy f*(k....family living under an overpass trying to slit their throats, suicides, at least two robberies from young men who lost their jobs.

We have another month of lockdown in front of us and who knows what after that. Household debt was already 100% of GDP before covid (correct me if I am wrong) things are going to get worse. A lot worse.