News Forum - PM orders action against activists seeking Muslim Pattani State referendum

[Thaiger]

The National Security Council (NSC) of Thailand has been instructed by outgoing Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha to investigate a group of activists who called for a public referendum on the establishment of an independent Muslim ‘Pattani State‘ separate from Thailand. The demand for a referendum was made during a seminar titled “Self-determination”, which introduced the … …

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[Smiler]

What is it about ‘the religion of peace’ that causes problems wherever they are? 

[kalyan]

somewhere the smoke started, sure there is a fire. this certainly not a good situation.

[HolyCowCm]

And where I am in CM they are almost finished sneaking in a new mosque about 7 minutes near me. Thai so t have a clue but they will come that BS loud speaker morning and night. Religion of bs of you ask me. Keep it to yourselves and then no problem. As for Pattani, for once I am on P-Nuts side 

[palooka]

42 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

BS loud speaker morning and night.

Nothing like the sound of a cat getting its tail chopped piecemeal just before sunrise and again in the evening just when you sit for that refreshing first ale after a hot day. 

[HolyCowCm]

1 hour ago, palooka said:

Nothing like the sound of a cat getting its tail chopped piecemeal just before sunrise and again in the evening just when you sit for that refreshing first ale after a hot day. 

Well you won’t hear a pig squeezing because it is getting butchered for a luau. 

[Wackamole]

usual staggering ignorance and hate speech. well done friends.

[TWS60]

Appreciate the overture for more dialog between parties, but let's face it - Thailand will never agree, and the opposition/insurgency knows it.  The territorial dispute, and long-running special military operation, will continue. 

As we've seen before, political uncertainty in Bangkok will be exploited.  Reckon the General is (rightly) concerned about how the new kids on the block will handle it.

Edited June 11, 2023 by TWS60

[PBS]

18 hours ago, HolyCowCm said:

And where I am in CM they are almost finished sneaking in a new mosque about 7 minutes near me. Thai so t have a clue but they will come that BS loud speaker morning and night. Religion of bs of you ask me. Keep it to yourselves and then no problem. As for Pattani, for once I am on P-Nuts side 

Appears you have no knowledge of Thai government. Mosques in Thailand are part funded by the Thai government, mosques are not 'sneaked in'. You and others may wish to educate themselves; refer URLs below.

https://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Thailand/sub5_8b/entry-3227.html

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/441219-THAILAND-2022-INTERNATIONAL-RELIGIOUS-FREEDOM-REPORT.pdf

[palooka]

15 hours ago, Wackamole said:

usual staggering ignorance and hate speech. well done friends.

No hate there, just a comment on sound. 

I respect anyone's right to their religious beliefs, but also have the right in return to comment on their audio intrusion into my life.  If that is the ignorant part, then so be it. 

Church bells used to ring out every Sunday in many Christian countries but much less so now, as it was deemed an audio intrusion to life.  The bells rang to wake everyone and a call to services.

Being the 21st Century most people have access to many forms of time reminders etc (clocks) and the need for the bells reduced massively and are mostly rung on special occasions only.

Maybe it is time for other religious bodies to follow suit and join the rest of us in the 21st Century. 

 

 

 

[palooka]

8 hours ago, TWS60 said:

Appreciate the overture for more dialog between parties, but let's face it - Thailand will never agree, and the opposition/insurgency knows it.  The territorial dispute, and long-running special military operation, will continue. 

As we've seen before, political uncertainty in Bangkok will be exploited.  Reckon the General is (rightly) concerned about how the new kids on the block will handle it.

My understanding of the initial dispute was that many Malay came illegally to Thailand to work and settled down to marry etc. They formed their own communities and then, after a few decades, wanted these basically illegal communities to become part of Malaysia. (Squatters rights????)

So why should Thailand give up part of their country?

Maybe a bit like Mex illegals demanding their USA communities be part of Mexico. 

 

[Wackamole]

7 hours ago, palooka said:

No hate there, just a comment on sound. 

I respect anyone's right to their religious beliefs, but also have the right in return to comment on their audio intrusion into my life.  If that is the ignorant part, then so be it. 

Church bells used to ring out every Sunday in many Christian countries but much less so now, as it was deemed an audio intrusion to life.  The bells rang to wake everyone and a call to services.

Being the 21st Century most people have access to many forms of time reminders etc (clocks) and the need for the bells reduced massively and are mostly rung on special occasions only.

Maybe it is time for other religious bodies to follow suit and join the rest of us in the 21st Century. 

Wasn't referring to your comment specifically, although it did flow very nicely with the rest.

I've had extended stays in Malaysia, I've never been annoyed by the morning calls, quite the opposite I find them soothing. But I can totally see how someone nastily prejudiced against Muslims would be horrified and lose sleep over it.

[Wackamole]

7 hours ago, palooka said:

My understanding of the initial dispute was that many Malay came illegally to Thailand to work and settled down to marry etc. They formed their own communities and then, after a few decades, wanted these basically illegal communities to become part of Malaysia. (Squatters rights????)

So why should Thailand give up part of their country?

Maybe a bit like Mex illegals demanding their USA communities be part of Mexico. 

You do know Pattani used to be an independent Muslim state right? These kinds of separatist groups are found everywhere there's this sort of history, it has nothing to do with what religion is prevalent.

[HolyCowCm]

9 hours ago, Wackamole said:

Wasn't referring to your comment specifically, although it did flow very nicely with the rest.

I've had extended stays in Malaysia, I've never been annoyed by the morning calls, quite the opposite I find them soothing. But I can totally see how someone nastily prejudiced against Muslims would be horrified and lose sleep over it.

If you are referring to me then sorry Charlie. I used to live near a mosque in CM area and it became too much as they got bigger. I have also stayed at hotels in Malaysia near or slightly near mosques and it is ridiculous. I have family in Bangkok that have a home past  Bangkapi area, and you can hear the mosque that is miles away if the wind is slightly going the right direction which is the wrong direction spitting out noise pollution. But that mosque is quite large. I am now on Phi Phi island and ate at a Muslim owned restaurant and I tipped the gal in the headdress. Stayed at a Muslim owned hotel last night too and left a tip for the Muslim maid. I don’t like noise and it is noise pollution. Now music to my ears are monks Chanting, but they don’t use loud speakers. So sort of exactly how Pattani is as can be similar in comparison. Pattani they want full control of and this is supposedly also helped funded by a radical Muslims from Malaysia. Nothing nice about the lies and these radicals there. 

Everywhere I have seen here in Thailand over my decades here is when they set up a mosque, as the trend goes they then move in and take over that certain area. Me and my family are indifferent about muslim population here especially in CM as long as they remain sensible, and for in CM since the fighting got bad they have come to CM in larger numbers. But now they are spreading out again in an area they should not be in. We have bought certain meat from a Muslim woman for the last 15 years and from a (gay) brother and sister family who make roti for the last way over 10-12 years. We are friends to a point. 

So for me, I personally wouldn’t even want to see a Church with bunches of missionaries moving in, but at least they are quiet for the most part. Radical Muslims never ending trying to take over Pattani I don’t agree with,  but Muslims are the majority there so I would have zero room to complain if was there. I also disagree with Iron fisted regimes as well.

Fir Pattani I agree with the Thai government. Fir me I have my likes and dislikes but this is my prerogative. 

[Viggen840]

On 6/10/2023 at 4:30 PM, Smiler said:

What is it about ‘the religion of peace’ that causes problems wherever they are? 

Because their facade is nothing but a sham.

[Viggen840]

On 6/10/2023 at 6:47 PM, kalyan said:

somewhere the smoke started, sure there is a fire. this certainly not a good situation.

The start of the cancer, but there IS a solution: they want a moslem presence, then pack up and move to Malaysia. There are literally MILLIONS of them there. Do the same in Malaysia as you do now in southern Thailand and see how long you last. 

[Viggen840]

On 6/10/2023 at 9:58 PM, HolyCowCm said:

Well you won’t hear a pig squeezing because it is getting butchered for a luau. 

That might just be the thing! Start butchering pigs in the street right outside their BS castles.

[Viggen840]

19 hours ago, palooka said:

My understanding of the initial dispute was that many Malay came illegally to Thailand to work and settled down to marry etc. They formed their own communities and then, after a few decades, wanted these basically illegal communities to become part of Malaysia. (Squatters rights????)

So why should Thailand give up part of their country?

Maybe a bit like Mex illegals demanding their USA communities be part of Mexico. 

Maybe it is time for politicians and authorities to get serious with illegal aliens of this type. Grab them all and bus them to their wonderfully friendly neighbourhood islamic country to live the life they yearn for.

How often do you hear these illegals and welfare shoppers bleating of the horrors they have run away from, but they want to change the country that allows them entry to change to what they have left behind.

[Grumpish]

13 hours ago, Wackamole said:

Wasn't referring to your comment specifically, although it did flow very nicely with the rest.

I've had extended stays in Malaysia, I've never been annoyed by the morning calls, quite the opposite I find them soothing. But I can totally see how someone nastily prejudiced against Muslims would be horrified and lose sleep over it.

To equate a dislike of being woken at the crack of dawn by the amplified caterwauling of the early morning call to prayer to Islamophobia is a very very long stretch.

13 hours ago, Wackamole said:

You do know Pattani used to be an independent Muslim state right? These kinds of separatist groups are found everywhere there's this sort of history, it has nothing to do with what religion is prevalent.

You are correct up to a point, the current borders did not come into existence until the start of the 20th century - but it is a little more complicated than that, the region has changed hands several times over the last few hundred years.

[Wackamole]

39 minutes ago, Grumpish said:

To equate a dislike of being woken at the crack of dawn by the amplified caterwauling of the early morning call to prayer to Islamophobia is a very very long stretch.

I didn't do that. Actual highlights of the thread include "religion of love", mentions of pigs, "cancer", generally talking about Muslims spreading like some cockroach infestation... and the hilarious "I tipped a Muslim so AH!"

Educate yourselves please. Or don't, you're probably too old for it to matter at this point. I guess it's fine if you die ignorant.

[TWS60]

21 hours ago, palooka said:

My understanding of the initial dispute was that many Malay came illegally to Thailand to work and settled down to marry etc. They formed their own communities and then, after a few decades, wanted these basically illegal communities to become part of Malaysia. (Squatters rights????)

So why should Thailand give up part of their country?

Maybe a bit like Mex illegals demanding their USA communities be part of Mexico. 

It goes back a long, long way with Old Siam asserting itself. 

More current reading on Thailand and Japan during WWII, and Great Britain following that.   All sorts of swapping and flopping around, it'll do your head in. 

My takeaway quite some time ago was the opposition has a strong case, but end of the day, don't expect Thailand will ever cede one inch of land or power down there. 

[Guest1]

3 hours ago, Viggen840 said:

The start of the cancer, but there IS a solution: they want a moslem presence, then pack up and move to Malaysia. There are literally MILLIONS of them there. Do the same in Malaysia as you do now in southern Thailand and see how long you last. 

Malaysia don't wanna have them

[Guest1]

Oh, also the Brits are one of the reasons, for splitting the Sultanate Patani , some time ago.

It was a deal, to keep Malay under  their control.

And, rumors are out, it was the way, to stop a "Panama canal" to happen.

The easiest, mostly the only way, to make a canal and get Singapore out of the picture, would be from Kedah to Sonkhla . Thats why the Brits kept Kedah

[palooka]

2 hours ago, TWS60 said:

It goes back a long, long way with Old Siam asserting itself. 

But how far do we go back?

Every part of this world has history associated and giving meaning to some minority group demanding rights perceived by vocal and written history etc, that the current media will give voice to.

Does China have a right to eastern Russia for an example?

Mexico to part of the USA?

Thailand and Cambodia -- Cambodians think Issan areas are their rightful lands.

Even with such a short history, Australian records show the Negritos (documented) were the first inhabitants but the current indigenous crowd claim first nation rights. Go figure.

(Maybe inconvenient to the cause that knowledge)

 

[TWS60]

20 minutes ago, palooka said:

But how far do we go back?

Every part of this world has history associated and giving meaning to some minority group demanding rights perceived by vocal and written history etc, that the current media will give voice to.

Does China have a right to eastern Russia for an example?

Mexico to part of the USA?

Thailand and Cambodia -- Cambodians think Issan areas are their rightful lands.

Even with such a short history, Australian records show the Negritos (documented) were the first inhabitants but the current indigenous crowd claim first nation rights. Go figure.

(Maybe inconvenient to the cause that knowledge)

As the Chinese Zen master says, "We'll see".