News Forum - Thailand backs ‘One China’ policy amid US Taiwan PR disaster

[Mudshark]

At the end of the day, a tempest in a tea cup. However Thailand's media responded with rhetoric befitting a good ally of China. This will be duly noted if they (seriously) ask the USA to sell them F-35's.   

[EdwardV]

37 minutes ago, Khunmark said:

That is, is the interference in the governing of a foreign power based on altruism or self interest? Is there consistently in the application of the interference? That is a good place to start.

That's an excellent question for China. After all they are the foreign power interfering with Taiwan. I'd say it's self interest wouldn't you? 

[oldschooler]

Non Issue. Blow for Freedom. That’s why CCP so upset. CCP have been humiliated & obliterated here.

CCP have never occupied Taiwan and Not Wanted by people of Taiwan which is ALL that matters. It’s that simple. Exactly like Falklands. 

Free Nations unite to defend against Tyranny. Just as Tyrants cooperate to reinforce Tyranny.

Free Nations take no directions from Tyrants. Tyrants don’t like that ? TOUGH …..they can go to Hell.

[oldschooler]

22 hours ago, RetiredKiwi said:

Who is Bob Scott. This article should not be put forward as a news article, it is an opinion piece poorly written. The article embellishes the USA as the bad guys on all fronts, not just China but as the instigator of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

the article calls the NATO alliance a guerilla outfit, as if it has used these tactics on Russia before the invasion. Then questions if USA would not have invaded another country if they were so threatened with weapons lined at them, conveniently forgetting the Cuba Missile crises.

the article states China has never invaded another country since being under the control of CCP, has he not heard of Tibet, has he not heard of the Buddhist statues being demolished there and the persecution of monks.

the original articles he quotes are well written, this piece is a poorly ascribed piece of USA bashing and does no service to the Taiger whatsoever.

Yes. Dreadful and Silly Article. Pro- Tyranny nonsense. Free Nations take no directions from Tyrants. Of course job of Free Nations to combat tyranny in any way. Of course US provoked China here politically (and Russia). That’s their JOB as Free World Leader

[Tim_Melb]

22 hours ago, RetiredKiwi said:

Who is Bob Scott. This article should not be put forward as a news article, it is an opinion piece poorly written. The article embellishes the USA as the bad guys on all fronts, not just China but as the instigator of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

the article calls the NATO alliance a guerilla outfit, as if it has used these tactics on Russia before the invasion. Then questions if USA would not have invaded another country if they were so threatened with weapons lined at them, conveniently forgetting the Cuba Missile crises.

the article states China has never invaded another country since being under the control of CCP, has he not heard of Tibet, has he not heard of the Buddhist statues being demolished there and the persecution of monks.

the original articles he quotes are well written, this piece is a poorly ascribed piece of USA bashing and does no service to the Taiger whatsoever.

Yes I suspect that Bob Scott is a pseudonym for a CCP propaganda writer. His misinterpretation of the historical and geographical facts and general portraying of the United States as the villain in every diplomatic situation is typical of CCP rhetoric. His complete ignorance of the fact if it was not for the US choosing to recognise the CCP government as the government of China, right now Taiwan could still be the recognised government of China and have China's seat on the UN security council and China's UN membership. The CCP might still be unrecognised by the UN instead of Taiwan. The US agreed to protect Taiwan from Chinese aggression during the process of recognising the mainland government and agreed to the "one China" policy to appease the CCP at the same time. As much as the CCP might not like it they have the US to thank for their position on the world stage in so many ways it is difficult to count. If the US had not opened up trade relations with China when they did China would not be in the economic position they are now and would probably still be the developing nation that they claim to be so that they can continue to receive international aid to spend on their military today. What a different world it might be if the US financial investment in trade with China had been spent in India instead... Imagine a much more technologically and industrially advanced India and a China that is still largely a third world country....

[Tim_Melb]

22 hours ago, EdwardV said:

To be fair, the White House and State Department both disapprove of the trip and asked her not to make it at this time. However neither has the ability to stop her. Any US official can visit Taiwan without first getting permission from the state department. 

She is the leader of the House of Representative a separate and equal branch of the US government. It might have been a stupid thing for her to do, but she also has that right. Keep in mind she doesn’t answer to Biden. 

Yes it's sad that Pelosi made this desperate display to try and appear relevant since falling from the public eye after Joe Bidens inauguration. 

[Tim_Melb]

22 hours ago, Haole.TH said:

Pelosi had the right to go, but it may have been a badly thought out (or badly timed) event.

Xi has been on the ropes recently due to Covid and China's economy.  With the CCP meeting soon where Xi will seek his 3rd term, Pelosi's visit to Taiwan gave him a way to shift his domestic problems to an external threat.  This allows the Chinese Communist Party upper echelons to rally behind Xi.

Pelosi also met with TSMC while in Taiwan to negotiate US chip fabs and the new CHIP act.  This may have been a strategic play.

They are not meeting to decide Xi's future. You seem to have missed that he previously had himself appointed as President for life and had the rules changed to allow it. He has also run a very effective campaign to make all of the effective faction leaders in the party that did not support him, disappear... 

Right now the major part meetings and events in China are just formalities to celebrate Xi and his achievements (real or not) and to posture and celebrate the success of the CCP. Any moves to depose Xi now would have to be arranged in total secrecy and would effectively be a coup. 

Edited August 5, 2022 by Tim_Melb
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[Tim_Melb]

21 hours ago, Guest1 said:

Biden telling the world openly, that the US acknowledged  the "one china" policy only, as long as it is with unchanged status, that is a kick in Xi's face.

No this was just an acknowledgement of the status quo agreed by the US in its negotiations with both China and Taiwan during the recognition of the mainland government and its replacement of the Taiwanese government in the UN. Prior to this the government in Taipei was the recognised government of China in absentia. All previous US administrations have both recognised the "one China" policy whilst maintaining a defence pact to ensure that the Taiwanese  remain an independent nation as long as they wish to do so. 

[Tim_Melb]

20 hours ago, Khunmark said:

Well done Bob Scott. It’s about time someone cast the spotlight on American exceptionalism whereby their constant meddling in the affairs of others is cloaked in the guise of democracy vs authoritarianism. 
This rules based international order was largely determined at Breton Woods after WW2 and embedded in various UN agencies, which suit its own interests. And has long exceeded it’s used by date.

Fun fact; the US has never had a decade without a war. The US maintains 800 military bases or sites around the world (China has one in Djibouti). The US has tried to change other countries governments 72 times during the Cold War. The meddling is diverse, including Honduras, Guatemala, Iran, Haiti, Congo, Indonesia, Japan, Vietnam, Chile, Iraq and Afghanistan. Compare that to China.

And an ‘E’ in history is awarded to those who, somehow, are of the belief that Taiwan is a sovereign state.

I wish my country had the Kahunas to travel the middle path and not hitch its wagon to a dysfunctional warmonger. 

Yeah whatever you say wumao. 

[Tim_Melb]

7 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

USA supports "one China" - fact

The USA also supports Taiwanese independence for as long as they want it. - fact

Edited August 5, 2022 by Tim_Melb
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[Tim_Melb]

4 hours ago, EdwardV said:

That's an excellent question for China. After all they are the foreign power interfering with Taiwan. I'd say it's self interest wouldn't you? 

It's always self interest. The US recognising the mainland Chinese government and opening up trade relations with China was about self interest. It was all about exploiting a potentially huge market and sourcing cheap Labor for US manufacturing and that's what built the China we have today. If the US had invested that money and effort in India or had not messed up in the Philippines the world would be a different place today. 

[HiuMak]

10 hours ago, Thaidup said:

Winners pick winners, LOL.

These kind are the worst.

[Khunmark]

7 hours ago, EdwardV said:

That's an excellent question for China. After all they are the foreign power interfering with Taiwan. I'd say it's self interest wouldn't you? 

A foreign power in same manner as The English were a foreign power invading North America or Australia. Truth is Chinese occupation of Taiwan predates 1949 and can be traced back to the Ching dynasty. So if you want to play that card feel free. And as an aside the aboriginal population of Taiwan were just as delighted  as the aboriginal populations of America and Australia  when the Chinese came marching in, Ching dynasty and ROC inclusive.

[Khunmark]

3 hours ago, Tim_Melb said:

Yeah whatever you say wumao. 

No worries Joe.

[cowslip]

4 hours ago, Tim_Melb said:

The USA also supports Taiwanese independence for as long as they want it. - fact

no, they support autonomy - get your facts straight.

Edited August 5, 2022 by Khunwilko

[garyknrd]

With de-globalization coming fast. All the US has to do is wait and stop being stupid. In 5-10 years the China factories from the US will be relocated. The US will not loose any sleep over China in the next decade. Pelosi needs to be put out to pasture..

[cowslip]

do you think the US would accept a similar situation if Chinese built bases like this around the States?

[HolyCowCm]

China and the people and countries who support China need to go suck a rotten egg> Including this regime if that is how they think. No One China BS policy. Free Tibet and leave Taiwan the Country alone. I don't like Pelosi but hsi time she did something good.

[Giltee]

On 8/4/2022 at 1:14 PM, Guest1 said:

Biden telling the world openly, that the US acknowledged  the "one china" policy only, as long as it is with unchanged status, that is a kick in Xi's face.

So ignoring , how important face is in Asia (and other parts of the world), as a politician in power,  after decades of appeasing Chinas politics in this,  has in your opinion nothing to do, that the old lady wanna have another big moment?

And yes, it might come anyway. But if China is pushing it now, b/c Pelosis visit gets 'em a great pretense, her doing cuts the timeline shorter. And time is, usually, the only thing in front of a conflict, that can be used to prevent the conflict. With diplomacy!

But right now, the democrats seem to need distraction more than ever, from the problems inside the US, or not? 

Alone the gas price is killing votes for the democrats. To keep a senate seat for Arizona's democrats, Biden even promises to finish the missing segments on "Trumps" wall there

It’s time countries stopped acknowledging the one China policy and stood up to the CCP bullies. China has an appalling record with the treatment of its own people and neighbouring counties, ie Tibet, Uyghur people and South China Sea countries. 

[cowslip]

1 minute ago, Giltee said:

It’s time countries stopped acknowledging the one China policy and stood up to the CCP bullies. China has an appalling record with the treatment of its own people and neighbouring counties, ie Tibet, Uyghur people and South China Sea countries. 

so e rule for China and another for the US? how are you proposing to "stand up"?

[Giltee]

On 8/4/2022 at 10:16 AM, Thaiger said:

Thailand called for restraint between China and the United States amid Nancy Pelosi’s brief visit to Taiwan on Tuesday. It is unclear why the US House of Representatives Speaker met with Taiwan’s president Tsai Ing-Wen in Taipei, other than yet another shit-stirring exercise by the US to provoke China into doing something rash. It almost had the desired effect. China’s response to Pelosi’s visit was to flex its military muscle and undertake a series of combat exercises near the Taiwan Strait. Pelosi’s bullish, “the world faces a choice between democracy and autocracy” did not help. It was not only unnecessary, […]

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I see Chinas statement to Thailand as coercion where Thailand had to respond to the CCP in a way that the bullies approved. Thailand would’ve been better to say little to nothing stating that Chinas problem is between USA and China and that Thailand remains neutral. Sucking up to the CCP only emboldens them. 

[EdwardV]

3 hours ago, Khunmark said:

Truth is Chinese occupation of Taiwan predates 1949 and can be traced back to the Ching dynasty. So if you want to play that card feel free.

Wrong card. I wasn’t making the point out the fact communist China has never owned Taiwan. My point was the fact Taiwan is an independent country and completely separate from mainland China. That it’s mainland China who is in fact the foreign power intent on interfering with Taiwan. 

[EdwardV]

3 hours ago, Khunwilko said:

do you think the US would accept a similar situation if Chinese built bases like this around the States?

Besides that being a wantaboutism, the point is meaningless. Never mind most of those are not actual US bases, but nothing more than places where the US is allowed to visit. For example the US has no bases on the Philippines. It’s a very misleading map. Second the dots that are actually bases either are US territories or locations were the country in question has invited the US like japan or South Korea. Last and most important, the US can’t stop China from asking a country for basing rights anywhere it desires. The Solomon Islands and Cambodia come to mind. It doesn’t matter what the US wants just is it doesn’t matter what China cares about. Wolf warriors aside of course. 

[cowslip]

39 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Besides that being a wantaboutism, the point is meaningless. Never mind most of those are not actual US bases, but nothing more than places where the US is allowed to visit. For example the US has no bases on the Philippines. It’s a very misleading map. Second the dots that are actually bases either are US territories or locations were the country in question has invited the US like japan or South Korea. Last and most important, the US can’t stop China from asking a country for basing rights anywhere it desires. The Solomon Islands and Cambodia come to mind. It doesn’t matter what the US wants just is it doesn’t matter what China cares about. Wolf warriors aside of course. 

Ah! denial! 

There are over 20 US bases and military facilities operating on Philippine territory, occupying 90000 hectares of land.

 

unfortunately public ignorance in the US is one of the greatest threats to understanding China and of course any foreign policy which has been a national disaster for the US for over a century.

Edited August 5, 2022 by Khunwilko

[cowslip]

43 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Besides that being a wantaboutism, the point is meaningless. Never mind most of those are not actual US bases, but nothing more than places where the US is allowed to visit. For example the US has no bases on the Philippines. It’s a very misleading map. Second the dots that are actually bases either are US territories or locations were the country in question has invited the US like japan or South Korea. Last and most important, the US can’t stop China from asking a country for basing rights anywhere it desires. The Solomon Islands and Cambodia come to mind. It doesn’t matter what the US wants just is it doesn’t matter what China cares about. Wolf warriors aside of course. 

The kind of thinking that believes Sandy Hook was a hoax.