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Thailand called for restraint between China and the United States amid Nancy Pelosi’s brief visit to Taiwan on Tuesday. It is unclear why the US House of Representatives Speaker met with Taiwan’s president Tsai Ing-Wen in Taipei, other than yet another shit-stirring exercise by the US to provoke China into doing something rash. It almost had the desired effect. China’s response to Pelosi’s visit was to flex its military muscle and undertake a series of combat exercises near the Taiwan Strait. Pelosi’s bullish, “the world faces a choice between democracy and autocracy” did not help. It was not only unnecessary, […]

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Who is Bob Scott. This article should not be put forward as a news article, it is an opinion piece poorly written. The article embellishes the USA as the bad guys on all fronts, not just China but as the instigator of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

the article calls the NATO alliance a guerilla outfit, as if it has used these tactics on Russia before the invasion. Then questions if USA would not have invaded another country if they were so threatened with weapons lined at them, conveniently forgetting the Cuba Missile crises.

the article states China has never invaded another country since being under the control of CCP, has he not heard of Tibet, has he not heard of the Buddhist statues being demolished there and the persecution of monks.

the original articles he quotes are well written, this piece is a poorly ascribed piece of USA bashing and does no service to the Taiger whatsoever.

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I'm no fan of Pelosi or of the US government in general, but maybe we need to review the basic facts of the situation here: when the communists took over the mainland, the normal, much less insane people fled to Taiwan. Their decision to do that was immediately thoroughly and completely vindicated by the communists killing somewhere in the neighborhood of 50M Chinese people, many tens of millions of those by starvation, many tens of millions more by outright murder via every conceivable means. So, there is no "one China" .. there are the criminal murderers, and some of the murderers' intended victims who managed to get away.

The cowardly and insane media likes to try to think itself into a pretzel coming up with reasons that it's good to support the murderer instead of the fleeing victim, but normal people who still have consciences are able to think about it and come to a more correct interpretation.

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1 hour ago, Thaiger said:

It is unclear why the US House of Representatives Speaker met with Taiwan’s president Tsai Ing-Wen in Taipei, other than yet another shit-stirring exercise by the US to provoke China into doing something rash.

To be fair, the White House and State Department both disapprove of the trip and asked her not to make it at this time. However neither has the ability to stop her. Any US official can visit Taiwan without first getting permission from the state department. 

She is the leader of the House of Representative a separate and equal branch of the US government. It might have been a stupid thing for her to do, but she also has that right. Keep in mind she doesn’t answer to Biden. 

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Pelosi had the right to go, but it may have been a badly thought out (or badly timed) event.

Xi has been on the ropes recently due to Covid and China's economy.  With the CCP meeting soon where Xi will seek his 3rd term, Pelosi's visit to Taiwan gave him a way to shift his domestic problems to an external threat.  This allows the Chinese Communist Party upper echelons to rally behind Xi.

Pelosi also met with TSMC while in Taiwan to negotiate US chip fabs and the new CHIP act.  This may have been a strategic play.

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27 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

To be fair, the White House and State Department both disapprove of the trip and asked her not to make it at this time. However neither has the ability to stop her. Any US official can visit Taiwan without first getting permission from the state department. 

She is the leader of the House of Representative a separate and equal branch of the US government. It might have been a stupid thing for her to do, but she also has that right. Keep in mind she doesn’t answer to Biden. 

To be fair, Biden started that with his undiplomatic answer (no teleprompter? Avoid answering without, Joe) , that the US would defend Taiwan.

That is/was assumingly the trigger for the old woman with nothing to loose, to endanger millions of younger people, to loose everything.

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1 minute ago, Guest1 said:

To be fair, Biden started that with his undiplomatic answer (no teleprompter? Avoid answering without, Joe) , that the US would defend Taiwan.

That is/was assumingly the trigger for the old woman with nothing to loose, to endanger millions of younger people, to loose everything.

The first part doesn’t really have anything to do with why Pelosi went to Taiwan. Even so Biden really didn’t say anything China didn’t already know. Undiplomatic yes, untrue no. 
 

The second part you are in fact assuming what triggered her visit. Did She really endanger millions? China was the one who said quite some time ago they would in fact invade regardless in order to force an independent and democratic sovereign country to become part of China. Something Taiwan wants no part of and intends to fight to make sure it doesn’t happen. Could the visit have triggered a war? Maybe but it’s didnt. There is a reason for that too. It’s because China’s military is the biggest paper tiger in world history. They said they would stop her from visiting , it was always a bluff. Yes a stupid choice on her part, very stupid. However it was never going to start a war. Keep in mind it’s not the first time a US speaker of the house had visited Taiwan. 

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I can’t believe how people support the Chinese government and their polices.  Chinese government supports countries like North Korea and Russia. The so called economic support to other countries comes with lots string attached  china screwed Hong Kong and want to do the same with Taiwan.  Whoever wrote this article shouldn’t be writing for the Thaiger    Shame on you Thaiger!!!

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Presumably Bob Scott works for The Nation and/or Bangkok Post. Felt his piece on the Pelosi visit to Taipei was hugely biased. That style of writing is not for me. I have always sought out balanced, objective and fact based news reporting over opinion pieces. But it’s becoming increasingly difficult to find. It would be great if The Thaiger could exercise more editorial control over what it chooses to copy paste. 

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I agree with RetiredKiwi, Doublye and Chairman. Shame on The Thaiger!

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25 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

The first part doesn’t really have anything to do with why Pelosi went to Taiwan. Even so Biden really didn’t say anything China didn’t already know. Undiplomatic yes, untrue no. 
 

The second part you are in fact assuming what triggered her visit. Did She really endanger millions? China was the one who said quite some time ago they would in fact invade regardless in order to force an independent and democratic sovereign country to become part of China. Something Taiwan wants no part of and intends to fight to make sure it doesn’t happen. Could the visit have triggered a war? Maybe but it’s didnt. There is a reason for that too. It’s because China’s military is the biggest paper tiger in world history. They said they would stop her from visiting , it was always a bluff. Yes a stupid choice on her part, very stupid. However it was never going to start a war. Keep in mind it’s not the first time a US speaker of the house had visited Taiwan. 

Biden telling the world openly, that the US acknowledged  the "one china" policy only, as long as it is with unchanged status, that is a kick in Xi's face.

So ignoring , how important face is in Asia (and other parts of the world), as a politician in power,  after decades of appeasing Chinas politics in this,  has in your opinion nothing to do, that the old lady wanna have another big moment?

And yes, it might come anyway. But if China is pushing it now, b/c Pelosis visit gets 'em a great pretense, her doing cuts the timeline shorter. And time is, usually, the only thing in front of a conflict, that can be used to prevent the conflict. With diplomacy!

But right now, the democrats seem to need distraction more than ever, from the problems inside the US, or not? 

Alone the gas price is killing votes for the democrats. To keep a senate seat for Arizona's democrats, Biden even promises to finish the missing segments on "Trumps" wall there

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Well done Bob Scott. It’s about time someone cast the spotlight on American exceptionalism whereby their constant meddling in the affairs of others is cloaked in the guise of democracy vs authoritarianism. 
This rules based international order was largely determined at Breton Woods after WW2 and embedded in various UN agencies, which suit its own interests. And has long exceeded it’s used by date.

Fun fact; the US has never had a decade without a war. The US maintains 800 military bases or sites around the world (China has one in Djibouti). The US has tried to change other countries governments 72 times during the Cold War. The meddling is diverse, including Honduras, Guatemala, Iran, Haiti, Congo, Indonesia, Japan, Vietnam, Chile, Iraq and Afghanistan. Compare that to China.

And an ‘E’ in history is awarded to those who, somehow, are of the belief that Taiwan is a sovereign state.

I wish my country had the Kahunas to travel the middle path and not hitch its wagon to a dysfunctional warmonger. 

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4 hours ago, Thaiger said:

Thailand called for restraint between China and the United States amid Nancy Pelosi’s brief visit to Taiwan on Tuesday. It is unclear why the US House of Representatives Speaker met with Taiwan’s president Tsai Ing-Wen in Taipei, other than yet another shit-stirring exercise by the US to provoke China into doing something rash. It almost had the desired effect. China’s response to Pelosi’s visit was to flex its military muscle and undertake a series of combat exercises near the Taiwan Strait. Pelosi’s bullish, “the world faces a choice between democracy and autocracy” did not help. It was not only unnecessary, […]

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Irrespective of any personal view, or the quality of writing,  this vitriolic essay says more about the author than the subject matter.

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5 hours ago, RetiredKiwi said:

The article embellishes the USA as the bad guys on all fronts.

Sure. They are the bad guys - historically as well as present. 

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That’s right Bob, the US has never invaded a peaceful European Democratic nation that respects the rule of law  (unlike Russia on multiple occasions).  Also, when Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons the US gave a commitment to protect Ukraine, so it’s good to see them doing the right thing and keeping their word.  Just like it gave a commitment to protect Taiwan from their commie brutally authoritarian neighbours.  Thus helping it to become a democratic nation that respects the rule of law.  Now go kiss Xi’s a*se.

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2 hours ago, DesperateOldHand said:

They are the bad guys

It's silly. What makes them bad? Are they the only ones to have done those things? Now, are there any good guys? What makes them good? Do you regard inaction as the main thing that makes a country good? Do you reckon Bhutan is the best country?

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9 hours ago, Guest1 said:

Biden telling the world openly, that the US acknowledged  the "one china" policy only, as long as it is with unchanged status, that is a kick in Xi's face.

So ignoring , how important face is in Asia (and other parts of the world), as a politician in power,  after decades of appeasing Chinas politics in this,  has in your opinion nothing to do, that the old lady wanna have another big moment?

And yes, it might come anyway. But if China is pushing it now, b/c Pelosis visit gets 'em a great pretense, her doing cuts the timeline shorter. And time is, usually, the only thing in front of a conflict, that can be used to prevent the conflict. With diplomacy!

But right now, the democrats seem to need distraction more than ever, from the problems inside the US, or not? 

Alone the gas price is killing votes for the democrats. To keep a senate seat for Arizona's democrats, Biden even promises to finish the missing segments on "Trumps" wall there

If China changes the dynamics of the "one China" policy, why would the US need to agree with it? China has always known the US would fight for Taiwan, nothing has changed. Heck there are even US troops in Taiwan. Again, Biden didn't say anything that wasn't already known. The only thing the US has done wrong it pretend what China want's matters. 

See above. So you think Pelosi did it to make Xi lose face? Pelosi could care less about small potatoes Xi.  Pelosi is in the end days of her regime in Congress, she want's something to hang on the wall. Making a point to visit the biggest injustice in the democratic world made sense. 

The timeline won't change one bit because of Pelosi. An increase of a mistake yes, and for that she should be roundly vilified. However China isn't ready to invade yet. Believe it or not, their military isn't even close to ready yet. They also have to finish withdrawing from the global economy and de-industrialize to prepare for the crushing sanctions. Give it anther 4-6 years first. Of course China as it exists now might not make it that long, but that's for a different topic.

The Democrats think everything is just fine. Just ask them and you will see. 

Gas has been dropping the last 5-6 weeks, it's now below what it was in March. People forget Obama built more wall than Trump did, only back then it was a good thing. 

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11 hours ago, EdwardV said:

To be fair, the White House and State Department both disapprove of the trip and asked her not to make it at this time. However neither has the ability to stop her. Any US official can visit Taiwan without first getting permission from the state department. 

She is the leader of the House of Representative a separate and equal branch of the US government. It might have been a stupid thing for her to do, but she also has that right. Keep in mind she doesn’t answer to Biden. 

Speaker Pelosi has a long standing history of  standing up to China on the matter of human rights. She  did nothing wrong or unexpected. It was a peaceful visit and she has the support of the UK and Canada foreign ministers in her visit.  Taiwan isn't the country cyber attacking the west and it isn't Taiwan breaking the international sanctions in respect to the Ukraine invasion. Pelosi, is making her statement, as is her right, before she leaves the speaker's chair.

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2 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Pelosi is in the end days of her regime in Congress, she want's something to hang on the wall.

 So you think Pelosi did it to make Xi lose face?

That is perhaps more true, as we all think about: She may hope to still make it another time. In case she can/they (Biden, too) can motivate people to vote for the democrats.

And of course, Trump just tried  to finish, what was already there, but ended up, mostly, in reinforcing old structures.  But the democrat's made it their "war" pro migrants, to tell that it 's a bad right idea. Just now, finishing segments to maybe win a senate seat, that is really bigotry,  again, isn't it?

Oh, and to the face loss of Xi: 

He NEEDS something "to hang on his wall", too, as badly as Pelosi and the Democrat's, to win his third term, with the chance to stay till dead. 

And we all know, how quickly this people "loosing face", sometimes. In their own view at least.

 

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16 hours ago, brian60221 said:

I'm no fan of Pelosi or of the US government in general, but maybe we need to review the basic facts of the situation here: when the communists took over the mainland, the normal, much less insane people fled to Taiwan. Their decision to do that was immediately thoroughly and completely vindicated by the communists killing somewhere in the neighborhood of 50M Chinese people, many tens of millions of those by starvation, many tens of millions more by outright murder via every conceivable means. So, there is no "one China" .. there are the criminal murderers, and some of the murderers' intended victims who managed to get away.

The cowardly and insane media likes to try to think itself into a pretzel coming up with reasons that it's good to support the murderer instead of the fleeing victim, but normal people who still have consciences are able to think about it and come to a more correct interpretation.

..... and you regard that as "facts"???

USA supports "one China" - fact

 

 

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10 hours ago, brian60221 said:

It's silly. What makes them bad? Are they the only ones to have done those things? Now, are there any good guys? What makes them good? Do you regard inaction as the main thing that makes a country good? Do you reckon Bhutan is the best country?

Well Brian, a good place to start is on this subject is purpose. That is, is the interference in the governing of a foreign power based on altruism or self interest? Is there consistently in the application of the interference? That is a good place to start.
 

Secondly, is the country doing the meddling in a position to pontificate on matters of human rights? Are they vulnerable  to the same criticisms over abuses they have committed? Are they in a position to determine the most appropriate style of government for other countries despite the differences in culture, history and values? 

In answer to your question a good country is informed by humility rather than hubris. It recognises the weaknesses in its own systems as well as others, it seeks to improves the lives of its own citizens, including the communities most vulnerable to abuses and it listens all stakeholders in society without making assumptions.

All nations have a past to reconcile, each past is nuanced and unique. Failure to recognise this smacks of arrogance and ignorance.

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