News Forum - Ukraine’s Zelensky defies Russia’s ultimatum to lay down weapons

[EdwardV]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

Over the past 2 months, the Russian Ministry of Defense has repeatedly reported that documents confirming the preparation of Ukraine's attack on the Donbass were found on the captured objects of the Ukrainian army. Apparently, therefore, in his address before the start of the operation, Putin said that "Russia was left no choice." Perhaps there was evidence of Ukraine's desire to try to resolve the issues of Donbass and Crimea by military means. Perhaps this is a lie. We'll see in the future. Or we won't see.

So Ukraine was planning to put down an uprising in it's own country? Doesn't Russia do that practically every day? And yet no one feels it's their right to invade Russia. Go figure. 

That is of course if we are to believe the Russian Ministry of Defense. You know the same guys who claim only 1,300 KIA, and that the Moskva wasn't hit by anti-ship missiles fired from Ukraine. 

[Fanta]

5 hours ago, EdwardV said:

You know what they say about hypersonic weapons: unless you put a nuke on top of it, it's nothing more than an expensive way to blow things up. 

Russia only needs to blow up one particular bunker complex in Kyiv with a few conventionally armed hypersonics and Chicken Kyiv is served.

[NorskTiger]

On 4/26/2022 at 4:09 AM, Transam said:

Tell me, did Russia invade Ukraine and trash civilian homesteads for no apparent reason. ?

Yes or No will do....

  What does this have to do with talking about specific allegations and burden of proof? Nothing. As always more emotional ranting and hyperbole. 

[NorskTiger]

4 hours ago, EdwardV said:

And yet Putin knew by NATO by-laws it wasn't possible because he occupied Crimea. Yet he still invaded Ukraine. It's part of the reason I've always said, this war is about way more than just Ukraine. 

     This was never about Ukraine. This is the pawn in the ploy of NATO, which again is the tool to preserve the petrodollar empire. 

 

[NorskTiger]

17 hours ago, Fanta said:

Where there is a will there is a way.

“Under the new payment system, the Kremlin has said importers would have to establish an account in dollars or euros at Russia’s third-largest bank, Gazprombank, then a second account in roubles. The importer would pay the gas bill in euros or dollars and direct the bank to exchange the money for rouble”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/27/russian-gas-crisis-5-things-to-know-about-europes-supply 

And Russia has implemented the first shutoffs of gas supplies. The EU is furious (LOL) and crying foul over Russia "breaking long term contracts", while USA has frozen billions of Rubles of Russian assets with a pretext they are the only one capable of conjuring.

         If The West can "freeze assets", so can Russia demand payment in rubles. And there goes another 5% market share of the dollar. 

      When the dollar hits 40% of world market share, it will be interesting to see how the 100% transactional "special relationship" between US and UK will evolve. 

   Interesting times to be alive. 

    Long gold, NATO dissolution and multipolarism. 

   And China hasn't even started their play yet. There is not a single strategic mind in the West. And Ursula Von Leyden is not a boneshaker.....

[EdwardV]

14 minutes ago, NorskTiger said:

     This was never about Ukraine. This is the pawn in the ploy of NATO, which again is the tool to preserve the petrodollar empire. 

I'm sure this makes sense somewhere, I just don't see it. NATO has a petrodollar empire? So NATO somehow convince Putin to attack Ukraine in order to protect NATO's petrodollar empire? How does that work and wouldn't it make Putin nothing but a pawn? 

[EdwardV]

54 minutes ago, NorskTiger said:

while USA has frozen billions of Rubles of Russian assets with a pretext they are the only one capable of conjuring.

US. officials may move to confiscate hundreds of billions of dollars from the Russian Central Bank’s frozen accounts overseas in order to deploy the Russian assets to rebuild Ukraine after the war.

Wouldn't that be ironic. 

US wants to confiscate frozen Russian Central Bank assets to rebuild Ukraine (msn.com)

55 minutes ago, NorskTiger said:

When the dollar hits 40% of world market share,

And yet America still wouldn't care. 

 

These are heady times for the US dollar. The de facto global reserve currency is currently trading at a two-decade high against the Japanese yen, a five-year high against the euro, and at its highest level against the pound since September 2020. On the broader measure, the dollar index - which measures how the greenback is trading against a basket of international currencies comprised of the euro, the yen, the pound, the Canadian dollar, the Swedish krona and the Swiss franc - punched to a fresh five-year high today and on the current trajectory may soon hit its highest level for 20 years. There are several reasons for the dollar's recent turbo-charged performance. The first and most obvious is that the outlook for US interest rates has changed considerably in recent days. Jay Powell, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, indicated very clearly last week that the US central bank is likely to raise its policy rate from the current 0.25%-0.5% range to 0.75%-1% at its rate-setting meeting next week. Then there are the circumstances of the individual currencies against which the dollar moves. The currency against which the dollar most frequently trades is the euro. The single currency is under pressure against the greenback because, following Russia's decision to cut gas supplies to Poland and Bulgaria, investors are beginning to get concerned about the prospect of Italy and Germany being next. A Russian gas ban on Germany, in particular, would tip the Eurozone's largest economy into a recession that would also drag down others in the bloc.

Why the turbo-charged US dollar is causing headaches around the world | Business News | Sky News

The Fed will continue to raise interest rate throughout the year. They have a target of 5%, and it will flood the US with foreign capital. On top of that, everything Russia does, just make the Greenback stronger. 

 

 

[Smithydog]

9 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

strange.

NATO does not participate, but supports one of the parties https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_194319.htm

Apparently, NATO has such a hobby, or art, they just see the world that way.

which textbook says that participation in a war is necessarily a ground operation?

Still trying to stretch your intent to defray from the real issue. i.e. Russia invading a sovereign nation in Ukraine. But I will play your silly game.

Your answer. None of course as wars can also be fought in the air on water. For example, the missiles from Russia hitting residential areas or the sinking of the Russian naval ship.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/14/russian-missiles-strike-residential-area-in-ukrainian-capital-kyiv

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61114843

But if you would insist on a definition, then here is one for you to just satisfy your apparent need:

"a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war

As NATO is neither a country or nation then this definition alone demonstrates it can't be involved in a "war". But then this is not a war. Or have you forgotten that it is only a "special military operation".

[Freeduhdumb]

3 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

And Russia has implemented the first shutoffs of gas supplies. The EU is furious (LOL) and crying foul over Russia "breaking long term contracts", while USA has frozen billions of Rubles of Russian assets with a pretext they are the only one capable of conjuring.

         If The West can "freeze assets", so can Russia demand payment in rubles. And there goes another 5% market share of the dollar. 

      When the dollar hits 40% of world market share, it will be interesting to see how the 100% transactional "special relationship" between US and UK will evolve. 

   Interesting times to be alive. 

    Long gold, NATO dissolution and multipolarism. 

   And China hasn't even started their play yet. There is not a single strategic mind in the West. And Ursula Von Leyden is not a boneshaker.....

And now reality has set in for the EU. 
 

 

[Smithydog]

9 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, NATO does not ask their opinion.  Otherwise, there would have been a referendum on joining the EU and NATO before Ukrainian officials decide that this is the goal.

Unneeded. They people have had their say in 2014. The people and their representatives voted when former Russian puppet President Yanukovych at the last  minute decided to reject the decision of the Ukrainian government and the clear will of the Ukrainian people.

“President Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. In February of that year, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the agreement with the EU. Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

You and the Russians seem so keen on holding referendums. So did President Putin hold one before invading another country resulting in deaths of his own people?

Ah...that's right, Russia, and its puppets only illegally hold them after they have taken over.

https://www.cfr.org/interview/why-crimean-referendum-illegitimate

No doubt we will see more of these "Referendums" in order to "justify" the criminal acts Russia has performed.

 

[Del_SoL]

Big Sister is back on Stage. So-called "west" in hysterical mode.

The are Trinity: Russians-Belorussians-Ukrainians. It's historically one nation.

And nobody care you like it or not.

[Smithydog]

4 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

     This was never about Ukraine. This is the pawn in the ploy of NATO, which again is the tool to preserve the petrodollar empire. 

One could easily argue that this is to preserve and build a new "Russian Empire" and nothing else. It holds far more water, as after all Russia invaded Ukrainian territory not the other way around.

The response from Countries outside NATO, including Finland, clearly indicates you are simply trying to pitch another false narrative.

https://yle.fi/news/3-12374793

In addition, it is interesting how many ex-Soviet countries are carrying the burden of support. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/14/slovakia-estonia-small-country-supply-weapons-russia-ukraine-germany/

But then, people locked in their conspiratorial delusions and can't see the falsehoods and unsupportable statements in the fake Russian narrative are at a disadvantage in believing the truth.

Russia invaded and is conducting war against Ukraine (not NATO) to restore the burnt ego of one man. President Putin.

 

[Del_SoL]

4 minutes ago, Smithydog said:

Russia invaded and is conducting war against Ukraine (not NATO) to restore the burnt ego of one man. President Putin.

So-called  pro-American "Ukraine" finished by suicide. It's just historical process.

Biden's criminal family lost their business  and bio-labs in Ukraine? But who cares?

[Smithydog]

5 minutes ago, Del_SoL said:

Big Sister is back on Stage. So-called "west" in hysterical mode.

The are Trinity: Russians-Belorussians-Ukrainians. It's historically one nation.

And nobody care you like it or not.

The west are not the ones threatening other countries with the spectre of nuclear war. Who is actually being hysterical?

And if we are to use your "historically one nation" as a guide, will Russia return all the lands that were not historically part of Russia. For Example, Karelia (Finland).

https://theworld.org/stories/2014-03-26/7-parts-russia-other-countries-could-call-theirs

[oldschooler]

4 hours ago, NorskTiger said:

     This was never about Ukraine. This is the pawn in the ploy of NATO, which again is the tool to preserve the petrodollar empire. 

and also to preserve western civilization, freedom & democracy, all lacking in Russia and upsetting for Putin ?

[Smithydog]

8 minutes ago, Del_SoL said:

So-called  pro-American "Ukraine" finished by suicide. It's just historical process.

Biden's criminal family lost their business  and bio-labs in Ukraine? But who cares?

I thought Putin didn't want to occupy Ukraine. So are you suggesting it will just be left as a wasteland?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/russia-does-not-want-to-occupy-ukraine-says-putin/articleshow/90273645.cms

And on the Bio-labs, perhaps you haven't read the statement from the Russian experts.

https://theintercept.com/2022/03/17/russia-ukraine-bioweapons-misinformation/

Just more Russian misinformation and false narratives being spread by their Defence people. Pity their own experts debunked them.

[oldschooler]

21 minutes ago, Del_SoL said:

Big Sister is back on Stage. So-called "west" in hysterical mode.

The are Trinity: Russians-Belorussians-Ukrainians. It's historically one nation.

And nobody care you like it or not.

Ukraine independent since 1991 though, mostly looking to West and rejecting any forcible change. Thanks for confirming one reason why Ukraine will never join NATO ( all Russian tribes).

[Del_SoL]

3 minutes ago, Smithydog said:

The west are not the ones threatening other countries with the spectre of nuclear war. Who is actually being hysterical?

And if we are to use your "historically one nation" as a guide, will Russia return all the lands that were not historically part of Russia. For Example, Karelia (Finland).

https://theworld.org/stories/2014-03-26/7-parts-russia-other-countries-could-call-theirs

Europe will get nuclear attack first as usual. It's look like they really want it. Uncle Sam will enjoy it for sure.

Nobody care Carelia. Finland with neutral status did a pretty good business with Soviet Union. (By the way Finland was a part of Russian Empire, if you forget something)

[Rookiescot]

31 minutes ago, Del_SoL said:

Big Sister is back on Stage. So-called "west" in hysterical mode.

The are Trinity: Russians-Belorussians-Ukrainians. It's historically one nation.

And nobody care you like it or not.

It would appear the Ukrainians don't want to be part of that one nation.

[EdwardV]

20 minutes ago, Del_SoL said:

So-called  pro-American "Ukraine" finished by suicide. It's just historical process.

Besides the fact it’s pro- European “Ukraine”, wouldn’t they have needed to attack Russian for “finished by suicide” to apply? Of course it would apply to just fine to Russia. They seem to be doing a bang up job of committing suicide. 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Del_SoL said:

Europe will get nuclear attack first as usual. It's look like they really want it. Uncle Sam will enjoy it for sure.

Nobody care Carelia. Finland with neutral status did a pretty good business with Soviet Union. (By the way Finland was a part of Russian Empire, if you forget something)

Large parts of Russia used to belong to Mongolia so whats your point?

[Smithydog]

33 minutes ago, Del_SoL said:

Europe will get nuclear attack first as usual. It's look like they really want it. Uncle Sam will enjoy it for sure.

Nobody care Carelia. Finland with neutral status did a pretty good business with Soviet Union. (By the way Finland was a part of Russian Empire, if you forget something)

Don't try to be an idiot. Nobody wants a nuclear war and no-one will enjoy it. What a silly thing to say.

No I didn't forget about Finland. Then perhaps Russia will give it back to Sweden in which the land of Finland used to be part of before the Russians even came along. How far do you want to go back with your claims? 

But how did Russia get it. After a war instigated by them.

How did they regain the Crimea. After a war instigated by them.

How are they now trying to get other parts of Ukraine. After a war instigated again by them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_battles_and_events_of_the_Finnish_War

Seems history does follows patterns and it's clear who it records as the aggressor. 

 

 

[vlad]

12 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

strange.

NATO does not participate, but supports one of the parties https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_194319.htm

Apparently, NATO has such a hobby, or art, they just see the world that way.

which textbook says that participation in a war is necessarily a ground operation?

KRLMRX stop all this crap about NATO Who walked into Ukraine and Invaded it, Russia not NATO troops so stop using that as a cheap deflection. NATO troops have not put boots on the ground or any other foreign forces yet only Russian.

[vlad]

12 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

the Taliban, who appeared in the 90s, a few years after the Soviets left Afghanistan, is probably why they kicked the Russian ass.  

But what is strange is that the US and not the Russian Army hurriedly fled from the Taliban last year for some reason.  

I get it, it's just Art, you see it that way too.

 I mentioned Russia's failure to defeat the Taliban in Afghan but Comrade Marx could only come out with the US Amy hurriedly fled too.

[Poolie]

3 hours ago, Transam said:

You can't answer it, can you, because you don't want to, as embarrassed to, as it's against your support of Hitler Mk.2, but thanks for replying comrade.........

I thought Hitler was off the table for conversation?