News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES: Russia relents, Ukraine offers concessions at Turkey peace talks; Amnesty decries Russian war crimes

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, Stardust said:

You live really in a paralell universe and have lost any sense of reality. Claiming loosing Russian civillians on the front line is really the proove for it and no doubt about it anymore. It is the most absurd and insane I ever read to invade a country and then complaining loosing the soldiers (btw they are not civillians) is really insane. You are definetly burnt.

Well they aren’t soldiers either judging by performance ! Dumb cannon fodder murderers maybe …

[oldschooler]

23 minutes ago, Fanta said:

So Ukraine is the cannon fodder for NATO’s plan to bleed Russia dry? I’m sure news of that plan will go down well with the Ukrainians next election time. And how brave of many people to back this plan by saying that Ukraine should fight to the death especially when they’re 1000’s of kms away fondling their keyboards. Zelenskyy must sue for peace. All the best wishes and hero worship in the world won’t stop the shells falling. 

Invader created This. Must be Fought & Beaten Some Time, in Ukraine or Russia. Now is Good after eight years of Ukrainian Forces retrained & equipped by NATO.Ukraine WILL fight Russia to the death and have freely chosen to do that as there is NO PEACE to be had with an Unfree Liar Russia, only certainty Russia WILL be back if not Beaten Hard Now. Appeasement Tried  & Failed Before. 

[oldschooler]

11 minutes ago, Alavan said:

He may have failed or not in a lot of his promises, but he is gaining eventual elections now. All that is past is forgotten, it is the situation atm that counts in politics. It is a simple and important rule. You can verifie with election results in every country. You handle an existing situation bad, like economics/Covid/... forget winning an election.
The memory of the public/voters is very short.

weak response really. Uncritical agreement. all politicians fail & lie. 
zelensky has performed perfectly post - invasion. Politics don’t matter in war only unity. Zelensky won’t sell out his people by dumb compromise with Evil. 

[Fanta]

38 minutes ago, Transam said:

Strange how folk forget 1939 where many folk died fighting aggression, Seems surrender is your thing..Hmmmmm..

The help you refer to was “boots on the ground”. This is the same help that is not coming to Ukraine. Odd that I don’t hear the NATO lovers condemning NATO or even any close neighbors of Ukraine for not joining the war. IMO, this is a proxy war. Suing for peace is not a surrender and fighting to the death is only good in Hollywood movies because you can reshoot the scene if you don’t like the ending. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suing_for_peace 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Fanta

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, Fester said:

Time for a Chang I think.

Then why not stay on the Pub forum if out of your depth here …or create Lightweight sub forum perhaps….

[oldschooler]

2 minutes ago, Fanta said:

The help you refer to was “boots on the ground”. This is the same help that is not coming to Ukraine. Odd that I don’t hear the NATO lovers condemning NATO or even any close neighbors of Ukraine for not joining the war. IMO, this is a proxy war. Suing for peace is not a surrender and fighting to the death is only good in Hollywood movies because you can reshoot the scene. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suing_for_peace 

NATO doing all they can (except failing to provideRussian - made fighter planes to Ukraine). NATO will NOT risk WW3 over Ukraine by going boots on ground ! Ukraine has freely chosen to fight to the death, for now, especially as ten million Ukraine Civilians wisely getting out of the way. 4,000 dead civilians is not Surrender Time. Quite the Opposite in fact….

[oldschooler]

29 minutes ago, Transam said:

Strange how folk forget 1939 where many folk died fighting aggression, Bosnia is another where help stopped the executions...Seems surrender is your thing..Hmmmmm..

4,000 dead murdered civilians from 44 million is hardly Surrender Time …. Quite the Opposite in fact..ask WW2 British …….

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

I think you misread what I wrote. I was claiming that Ukraine civilians were on the front line, and posters promoting resistance to death, are not the ones on the front lines.

4,000 unfortunate ukraine civilians murdered by Russians who CREATED the “ front lines”. From 44 million total pop. many of which ( 10 million) have left front lines. Nobody is Surrendering to allow Russia to “ come back later” . Oh no, Russia has stepped into the Bear Trap laid by NATO and no escape…. Russia Will Continue to Bleed Dry in Ukraine until they LEAVE. 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

I think you misread what I wrote. I was claiming that Ukraine civilians were on the front line, and posters promoting resistance to death, are not the ones on the front lines.

99.99 % ukraine civilians are and will survive by fleeing battles , 10 million so far …those relatively few (4K) unfortunate murdered dead absolute no reason not to continue fighting.

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

what you keep missing in the alternate reality you guys are living is that there is a war, and this is not some Hollywood blockbuster with Bruce Willis saving the day

in reality, the bully always wins, Zelensky is not in a position to ask for anything but to make a deal to stop the war

Nobody  “bullies” NATO / Allies without getting getting dead or put in hospital ! 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

what you keep missing in the alternate reality you guys are living is that there is a war, and this is not some Hollywood blockbuster with Bruce Willis saving the day

in reality, the bully always wins, Zelensky is not in a position to ask for anything but to make a deal to stop the war

It’s Putin in his deadly computer poker game show, already down $ 1 Trillion ! and doesn’t know how to cut his losses ! 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Criminal Putin & FSB Goons all Convicted & Exiled to Siberia or Shot. 

Initial Military Govt. Transition to Real Elections & Democracy.

Reparations to Ukraine for next 50 Years.  

Simple & Best Solution for Russia & Russian People before being led to Complete Catastrophe by Evil Criminal Clown Putin. 

Send in the Clowns with their forced  “ Laughter” emojis

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

nobody should, yet they are. That's the point you keep missing in this war. Civilians are caught in the middle of this. Someone will have to yield to stop this war, and it's not going to be Putin, the brutal bully.

Nobody Yielding. Criminal Tyrant Putin has stepped in the Giant Bear Trap laid in Ukraine by NATO ….. No Escape due to Putins Ego. Russia Bled to Death….

[Smithydog]

3 hours ago, butterfly said:

I don't see an agreement coming any time soon, Zelensky is over his head with his demands, he needs to get back to earth and be reasonable, he is not acting as President in a TV series

what an actor, and he has international leaders as his main audience,

what possibly could go wrong? 

What? That he won't accept the demands of an invading force into his country who have killed his people and bombed his country.

Ronald Reagan was an actor. Look what happened to the Soviet Union after his Presidency. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna5145921

Perhaps Putin and Russia should learn from taking on a former actor.

[Rookiescot]

If I was Zelensky I would start shelling over the border into Russia. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.

Start putting Czar Putin and his minions on the defensive.

Start telling Russian conscripts "Look guys we know you dont want to be here so surrender and we will treat you well". Then do so. Make sure they are fed and looked after.

If I was Biden and the western leaders I would tell Russian conscripts "Lay down your weapons. Surrender. And you can come and live in the west".

Watch Czar Putins army dissolve. 

[Stardust]

41 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Nobody  “bullies” NATO / Allies without getting getting dead or put in hospital ! 

And Walli could be at every corner

 

[Alavan]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

weak response really. Uncritical agreement. all politicians fail & lie. 
zelensky has performed perfectly post - invasion. Politics don’t matter in war only unity. Zelensky won’t sell out his people by dumb compromise with Evil. 

The point is that war or no war, voters have a short memory. So saying Zelensky didn’t fulfill his election promises is besides the point. War or no war, he is doing ok now, and if there should come elections, he would have a big chance of being reelected. 

[oldschooler]

8 minutes ago, Alavan said:

The point is that war or no war, voters have a short memory. So saying Zelensky didn’t fulfill his election promises is besides the point. War or no war, he is doing ok now, and if there should come elections, he would have a big chance of being reelected. 

Let’s stay on topic. Ukraine War. Future Elections Quite Irrelevant. 

[oldschooler]

57 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

If I was Zelensky I would start shelling over the border into Russia. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.

Start putting Czar Putin and his minions on the defensive.

Start telling Russian conscripts "Look guys we know you dont want to be here so surrender and we will treat you well". Then do so. Make sure they are fed and looked after.

If I was Biden and the western leaders I would tell Russian conscripts "Lay down your weapons. Surrender. And you can come and live in the west".

Watch Czar Putins army dissolve. 

Two recent Missile Attacks on ammo dumps inside Russia . More Please !

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

If I was Zelensky I would start shelling over the border into Russia. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.

Start putting Czar Putin and his minions on the defensive.

Start telling Russian conscripts "Look guys we know you dont want to be here so surrender and we will treat you well". Then do so. Make sure they are fed and looked after.

If I was Biden and the western leaders I would tell Russian conscripts "Lay down your weapons. Surrender. And you can come and live in the west".

Watch Czar Putins army dissolve. 

To Do What Though ? All Thieves or Serious Criminals. Just be Creating New Massive crime Syndicates in West. So er, no.  Back to their Soviet gangster prison……

[Rookiescot]

16 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

To Do What Though ? All Thieves or Serious Criminals. Just be Creating New Massive crime Syndicates in West. So er, no.  Back to their Soviet gangster prison……

They are just kids who are conscripts.  

[oldschooler]

32 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

They are just kids who are conscripts.  

Adults though. and their culture with lack of education gives most of them no chance to become other than thieves & serious criminals. to fit in & survive.foxes in the henhouse in the west. Criminal holiday camp. if they could somehow be separated from their culture re-educated would be different but too late for that as adults. 

[Fester]

3 hours ago, butterfly said:

then the US and EU member states should co-sign the agreement instead, you can't trust the US alone to abide to any bi-lateral agreement, they have a history of renegading whatever they signed in the past. Thank you Trump and GW Bush.

Link time or take a prank.

[oldschooler]

On 3/30/2022 at 4:01 PM, CamPat said:

Buddhist teaching tell us that Nothing is forever. Hopefully we will see an end to the Ukraine Conflict soon. While i have my doubts we may see a completely different enviroment after the US Election in 2024. That will possibly put everything of this conflict upside down over night.

NATO would rethink U.S. relationship if Trump wins in 2024

https://www.yahoo.com/news/romney-nato-would-rethink-us-relationship-if-trump-wins-in-2024-204421714.html

While Biden was preaching a change from relentless wars to relentless diplomacy during his first speech at the UN Assembly what we now experience is a Proxy War with Europe in the Frontline and the US reaping in the Weapon Orders. That is what we've seen with Trump when he demonstrated his Saudi Orders for US Weapons next to murderous Mohammed bin Salman. The future will tell us what the "Future War with China - North Korea" might look like.

2024 ? US Elections Irrelevant in Geopolitcs. Let’s take it month by month shall we? 2024 might bring CCP Invasion of Taiwan. No Important country is Buddhist.

[Alavan]

1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Let’s stay on topic. Ukraine War. Future Elections Quite Irrelevant. 

Funny, I post a relevant post, you find it weak, and if I explain it’s irrelevant.