News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES: Russia relents, Ukraine offers concessions at Turkey peace talks; Amnesty decries Russian war crimes

[Stardust]

19 minutes ago, butterfly said:

but there is a war and there is a front line, you can't deny that. So calling for military actions when your civilians are not on the front lines is quite easy to do.

Zelensky should be fighting for a peace solution instead of touring world leaders with his passionate Zoom calls.

But I guess acting is easier, and you get standing ovation for your performance while civilians are being attacked.

a real state man find solutions, don't alienate allies with sacrifice or try to act a part.

You live really in a paralell universe and have lost any sense of reality. Claiming loosing Russian civillians on the front line is really the proove for it and no doubt about it anymore. It is the most absurd and insane I ever read to invade a country and then complaining loosing the soldiers (btw they are not civillians) is really insane. You are definetly burnt.

[Fester]

16 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Ukraine supported by NATO won’t fail. If it does NATO certainly won’t.

Putin (like Xi or trump) a Symptom. 
Russians ( like CCP & US democrats) the Disease. 

Russia’s Lifelong Obsession with “ Strong Leaders” and resultant Communism / Gangsterism / WMD, in Russia & China , has lead us to this point, with Taiwan on the horizon this decade.  
 

Humanity extremely lucky not to have been obliterated in 1980’s or earlier by Soviet belligerence. Moscow & Beijing should have been nuked in 1940’s to snuff out Communism before it obtained nuclear weapons 
 

Of course, now we have other ELE now like Bioweapons, AI, Climate Change, Meteor, Overpopulation. 

Time for a Chang I think.

[butterfly]

13 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

You don't get it, and I suspect you never will get it.

what you keep missing in the alternate reality you guys are living is that there is a war, and this is not some Hollywood blockbuster with Bruce Willis saving the day

in reality, the bully always wins, Zelensky is not in a position to ask for anything but to make a deal to stop the war

[butterfly]

17 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Claiming loosing Russian civillians on the front line is really the proove for it

I think you misread what I wrote. I was claiming that Ukraine civilians were on the front line, and posters promoting resistance to death, are not the ones on the front lines.

Edited March 31, 2022 by butterfly

[butterfly]

18 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

nobody in Ukraine should be fighting,

nobody should, yet they are. That's the point you keep missing in this war. Civilians are caught in the middle of this. Someone will have to yield to stop this war, and it's not going to be Putin, the brutal bully.

[butterfly]

22 minutes ago, Fester said:

Wow! How has this simple solution not been adopted yet? 

because everyone wants to save face and be the winner 

the best solution is always the simple one,

Edited March 31, 2022 by butterfly

[oldschooler]

28 minutes ago, Fester said:

Wow! How has this simple solution not been adopted yet? 

Russians will never “ get it” . Russia no longer has ANY credibility in these or any matters ( eg Sport ).

 

[Stardust]

7 minutes ago, butterfly said:

what you keep missing in the alternate reality you guys are living is that there is a war, and this is not some Hollywood blockbuster with Bruce Willis saving the day

in reality, the bully always wins, Zelensky is not in a position to ask for anything but to make a deal to stop the war

You are the one who is living in a movie, never happened Europe would give anything about terrorists and criminals like Putin and let them blackmailed or extored. Putin is burnt! Show me in the history they let them blackmailed from low life terrorists,invaders , criminals like Putin.

Never happened! 

[Marble-eye]

15 minutes ago, butterfly said:

what you keep missing in the alternate reality you guys are living is that there is a war, and this is not some Hollywood blockbuster with Bruce Willis saving the day

in reality, the bully always wins, Zelensky is not in a position to ask for anything but to make a deal to stop the war

Everybody is out of step but you, we get it alright.

[oldschooler]

3 hours ago, butterfly said:

because everyone wants to save face and be the winner 

the best solution is always the simple one,

Listen well <deleted content> No Free Nations EVER Take Any Instructions from Russia.

Especially Not from a Beaten Weak Humiliated  Isolated Dying Russia. 
Russia now has Zero Credibility re. Agreements.
 

Ukraine & NATO will continue their Plan to Bleed Russia Dry ….so they NEVER return …..even after Reduced Russia Leaves Ukraine.

Edited March 31, 2022 by BigHewer
Provocative content removed

[Marble-eye]

13 minutes ago, butterfly said:

nobody should, yet they are. That's the point you keep missing in this war. Civilians are caught in the middle of this. Someone will have to yield to stop this war, and it's not going to be Putin, the brutal bully.

The Ukranians are not going to yield, they are fighting for their country. Why do you keep mentioning "civilians" it is the Russians that are killing them and you expect the Ukranians to yield, time to wake up and smell the coffee. You do not have an argument so why keep making one.

[butterfly]

2 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

you expect the Ukranians to yield, time to wake up and smell the coffee

easy for you to say, you are not on the front line, thanks for confirming my point exactly.

[Marble-eye]

Just now, butterfly said:

easy for you to say, you are not on the front line, thanks for confirming my point exactly.

Nobody confirms any of your points, who instigated this front line, it wouldn't be that bully boy Putin would it. 

[oldschooler]

18 minutes ago, butterfly said:

because everyone wants to save face and be the winner 

the best solution is always the simple one,

Criminal Putin & FSB Goons all Convicted & Exiled to Siberia or Shot. 

Initial Military Govt. Transition to Real Elections & Democracy.

Reparations to Ukraine for next 50 Years.  

Simple & Best Solution for Russia & Russian People before being led to Complete Catastrophe by Evil Criminal Clown Putin. 

[oldschooler]

11 minutes ago, Marble-eye said:

The Ukranians are not going to yield, they are fighting for their country. Why do you keep mentioning "civilians" it is the Russians that are killing them and you expect the Ukranians to yield, time to wake up and smell the coffee. You do not have an argument so why keep making one.

Paid Putin Collaborator. 

[EdwardV]

1 hour ago, butterfly said:

the solution is quite simple:

1. Change the Ukraine constitution, remove the NATO part, and pledge for a neutral Ukraine

2. NATO and Russia sign an agreement to exclude certain countries from joining

3. Give autonomous region status, not independence, to Russian assets to keep Ukraine whole

4. Zelensky resign and organize new elections, he is burn

1. Ok - 2. NATO can’t do that it’s against their charter - 3. Ok - 4. Zelensky would win in a landslide 

Couple of problem besides the fact there is no logical reason to require a democratically elected president to resign. First there is nothing in this for Russia they would never agree. Second there Ukraine needs compensation, you can’t just attack, crush cities and walk away like nothing happen. 

[oldschooler]

9 minutes ago, butterfly said:

easy for you to say, you are not on the front line, thanks for confirming my point exactly.

Only Confirmation for you is your terrible support for & collaboration with, Evil Gangster Thieving Terrorist Criminal Putin / FSB Regime.  

[butterfly]

4 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

2. NATO can’t do that it’s against their charter

then the US and EU member states should co-sign the agreement instead, you can't trust the US alone to abide to any bi-lateral agreement, they have a history of renegading whatever they signed in the past. Thank you Trump and GW Bush.

[butterfly]

6 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

4. Zelensky would win in a landslide 

possibly, but he failed to deliver in a lot of his promises. And his actions have created the whole situation with Moscow. He might not be re-elected. That said, it's going to take some time to organize a free and fair election in Ukraine, possibly years.

[Fanta]

16 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Ukraine & NATO will continue their Plan to Bleed Russia Dry ….so they NEVER return …..even after Reduced Russia Leaves Ukraine.

So Ukraine is the cannon fodder for NATO’s plan to bleed Russia dry? I’m sure news of that plan will go down well with the Ukrainians next election time. And how brave of many people to back this plan by saying that Ukraine should fight to the death especially when they’re 1000’s of kms away fondling their keyboards. Zelenskyy must sue for peace. All the best wishes and hero worship in the world won’t stop the shells falling. 

[butterfly]

2 minutes ago, Fanta said:

So Ukraine is the cannon fodder for NATO’s plan to bleed Russia dry? I’m sure news of that plan will go down well with the Ukrainians next election time. And how brave of many people to back this plan by saying that Ukraine should fight to the death especially when they’re 1000’s of kms away fondling their keyboards. Zelenskyy must sue for peace. All the best wishes and hero worship in the world won’t stop the shells falling. 

Amen to that,

[oldschooler]

16 minutes ago, butterfly said:

easy for you to say, you are not on the front line, thanks for confirming my point exactly.

Nothing to do with individuals here or “ front lines” . do try to say something sensible, realize that’s hard locked in there with Putin & his Alternate Fake “ Justified / Threatened” Reality ……

Defensive Free Nations are NOT any kind of material threat to a nuclear armed Tyranny…..unless Physically Attacked of course…..

[oldschooler]

9 minutes ago, butterfly said:

then the US and EU member states should co-sign the agreement instead, you can't trust the US alone to abide to any bi-lateral agreement, they have a history of renegading whatever they signed in the past. Thank you Trump and GW Bush.

US Treaty Compliance WAY Better than USSR / Russia….Trump simply Cancelled Treaties not in US Interest….Bush breached no treaties. 

[oldschooler]

8 minutes ago, Transam said:

I reckon you're a Russian ...........

Or Morning Star reader,  “useful idiot” collaborator traitor spy, with his three Commie mates  ! 

[Alavan]

10 minutes ago, butterfly said:

possibly, but he failed to deliver in a lot of his promises. And his actions have created the whole situation with Moscow. He might not be re-elected. That said, it's going to take some time to organize a free and fair election in Ukraine, possibly years.

He may have failed or not in a lot of his promises, but he is gaining eventual elections now. All that is past is forgotten, it is the situation atm that counts in politics. It is a simple and important rule. You can verifie with election results in every country. You handle an existing situation bad, like economics/Covid/... forget winning an election.
The memory of the public/voters is very short.