News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES: Ultimatums ‘not feasible’; Russian offensive stalls; Putin’s ‘back is against the wall’

[bushav8r]

3 hours ago, palooka said:

The agressor is Putin here, he invaded another country.

Ok I respect your view.  Time will tell who interpreted the situation realistically.

I think you may be too close on a personal view to the situation.  

Why can't countries get over their power plays and egos and we all work together for the benefit of mankind, the world has enough problems already. There is a whole universe out there waiting.

Sounds like you are auditioning for a beauty pageant..

[EdwardV]

23 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

BP Gone Too…..

Yes but that's a different problem for Russia. Companies like BP, Shell and Exxon are oil companies. They invest billions into new or existing oil field development in exchange for part of the production. That's a problem that will manifest itself over decades of lower future production.  

Companies like Halliburton and Baker are oil field service companies. They are the ones who actually do the drilling, construct and run the production facilities. Siberian oil field production is arguably the toughest physically and technically in the world. It's why the Russian's are forced to hire that out to companies like Halliburton. With them leaving, oil production will slowly decline over just the next six to twelve months. They can easily lose between 20-40% of their capacity in that timeframe from this alone. 

[bushav8r]

3 hours ago, Freeduhdumb said:

That time has past... events are moving quickly. Try to wrap your head around this excellent assessment of the now situation... 

https://tomluongo.me/2022/03/18/putin-destined-to-hang-or-drown/

Refreshing to read things from a different perspective.  I didn't read most of the Other posts here.  Seems like a bunch of virtue signaling senseless babble.

[Politenessman]

11 hours ago, Freeduhdumb said:

"They" the West screwed the pooch... as I said, they had eight years to de-escalate, they didn't. Time to pay the Piper. Don't be appalled at me for speaking the obvious, for speaking the truth, be appalled at those that brought us to this point. Let us not forget, 2014 was the Ukrainian invasion, and the collective West has never backed off since. Putin has all but begged for the West to meet reasonable considerations... now it's consequences time. The door is still open to end this... but will they?

So it is the rest of the worlds responsibility to back down when a tyrant threatens? and that tyrant making territorial demands upon neighbouring sovereign countries is "reasonable"?

You do know that the west followed your policy in the 1930s don't you? it was called appeasement, it is generally accepted that it didn't end well aside from buying some time for the Allies to prepare to fight a world war. (though given the poor performance of the modern Russian army to date, the argument can be made that NATO doesn't need time to prepare).

[Politenessman]

6 hours ago, Guest1 said:

The hypersonic missiles are already shown. As a warning, I would say. No one needed that Kinzhal, to destroy the weapon depot. That was absolutely a "show off".

Think about, Putin deploys them in Kuba: Up to New York everything in 15-20 minutes reachable! And it can carry conventional and nuclear warheads!

Aside that all capitols in Europe, except Lisbon, are in reach, too!

Hypersonics are cute, but Russia has zero ability to stop standard ICBMs (which, BTW are hypersonic), stealth a/c or cruise - so what do they really gain you? (throw in the poor performance of the Russian military to date and even their theoretical capabilities would need to be questioned).

 

[Tim_Melb]

15 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Yes let’s ask the Afghans, Syrians and let’s throw in the Chechens and Georgians too while we are at it. I highly doubt any of them will be singing praise of the Russians. 

It's not that simple in any of these situation. There are Chechen fighting alongside the Russians as allies in Mariupol right now. There are always people that support both sides in these situations remember there are plenty of Ukrainian citizens i the Ukraine that support the Russians sure they are a member minority but they are there. There is no doubt that it's the Political leaders of Russia and NATO that are responsible for this situation but for the people on the ground it's not a simple thing and they are not all on one side. 

[palooka]

9 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Doubt these are organizations you can ever “resign” from ! 

Oh you can retire, you become an oligarch, not so sure Putins FSB is the same though.

[palooka]

6 hours ago, bushav8r said:

Sounds like you are auditioning for a beauty pageant..

Damn am I on the wrong thread again.

[Thaidup]

5 minutes ago, Tim_Melb said:

It's not that simple in any of these situation. There are Chechen fighting alongside the Russians as allies in Mariupol right now. There are always people that support both sides in these situations remember there are plenty of Ukrainian citizens i the Ukraine that support the Russians sure they are a member minority but they are there. There is no doubt that it's the Political leaders of Russia and NATO that are responsible for this situation but for the people on the ground it's not a simple thing and they are not all on one side. 

Be careful when posting common sense, haven't you heard yet that unless you unequivocally denounce Russia you are supporting baby killers?

[Tim_Melb]

8 hours ago, EdwardV said:

it will be natural gas. There isn't enough outside capacity to replace what comes from Russia.

There is capacity, Australia can supply 70% of Europe requirements from the Northwest shelf without cutting back exports to China and other existing clients its just a matter of the increased logistics cost for Europe that is the cause of reluctance from Europe. The other 30% can be sourced from other suppliers it's not a problem of availability it's just a reluctance to pay the higher logistics costs. If  China was to move closer to Russia in this then it would also be possible for Australia to cut supplies to China and that would allow for Australia to supply 100% of Europe's needs. 

[Thaidup]

5 minutes ago, Tim_Melb said:

There is capacity, Australia can supply 70% of Europe requirements from the Northwest shelf without cutting back exports to China and other existing clients its just a matter of the increased logistics cost for Europe that is the cause of reluctance from Europe. The other 30% can be sourced from other suppliers it's not a problem of availability it's just a reluctance to pay the higher logistics costs. If  China was to move closer to Russia in this then it would also be possible for Australia to cut supplies to China and that would allow for Australia to supply 100% of Europe's needs. 

An The USA has a vast supply to boot, The Europeans just want the cheap stuff.

The link shows just how much the USA can supply that is currently known, then add the rest.

In addition to the proved natural gas reserves, large volumes of natural gas are classified as undiscovered—or unproved—technically recoverable resources (TRR). Undiscovered TRR are expected to exist because the geologic settings are favorable despite the uncertainty of their specific locations. Undiscovered TRR are also assumed to be producible over a time period using existing recovery technology. EIA estimates in the Annual Energy Outlook 2021 that as of January 1, 2019, the United States had about 2,867 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of TRR of dry natural gas.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/natural-gas/how-much-gas-is-left.php

[Guest1]

3 hours ago, Politenessman said:

Hypersonics are cute, but Russia has zero ability to stop standard ICBMs (which, BTW are hypersonic), stealth a/c or cruise - so what do they really gain you? (throw in the poor performance of the Russian military to date and even their theoretical capabilities would need to be questioned).

Still, the ABMs of Russia are known to be placed around Moscow, the ABM of the USA may not even exist and NMD is still in development.

So aside that we, the people, probably don't wanna find out about it, you saying, in case Russia would place missiles near the US, the US would think the same way, like 1962, again? I agree.

Just, the other way,  Russia has to take it?

And no one had the idea, that once, a Psycho in Moscow may not be willing to do so?

And if or if not the Kinzhal are "that good" like Putin wanna make the west believe, is a serious question. If they are not, if it is a bluff, that could do the opposite if what Putin wants: The west to back off.

But if they are, and that is what the west is trying to find out, where was the plane it came from, how quick was it really, is the accuracy really that good, like it looks, we all should hope, that no western country is thinking about using ICBMs.

[Stardust]

3 hours ago, Politenessman said:

Hypersonics are cute, but Russia has zero ability to stop standard ICBMs (which, BTW are hypersonic), stealth a/c or cruise - so what do they really gain you? (throw in the poor performance of the Russian military to date and even their theoretical capabilities would need to be questioned).

Hypersonic missiles is a very old tech over 80 years old. The germans had that already before the V2 missiles in the 30s called the Silbervogel. It is really a joke from these Russian Clowns Army to sell something already developped over 80 years old as a new invention and shows really how far behind they are in any developpments from Europe and in tech, industrial power 80 years behind europe. Like a philosopher said under Putin Russia became a shadow and a gdp just of the small tiny countries like Belgium. They cannot produce anything anymore especially military tech or any tech when they got cut off from supplies from Europe. They have no capability to produce for example semi conductor and even they would start now it is expected Russia would need more than 35 years to do so to come to a point of nowaday. They are in the capabilities more than 50 years behind in tech productions general. Semi conductor you need a lot of money to developp but the most problem you the top people to do it and they a rare, even China couldn't do it and still need to send their people to Europes University because they are so far behind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel

Really laughable this Putin Clowns. Undevelopped and not civilized these thugs.

[EdwardV]

2 hours ago, Tim_Melb said:

There is no doubt that it's the Political leaders of Russia and NATO that are responsible for this situation but for the people on the ground it's not a simple thing and they are not all on one side. 

Besides the fact there are Chechens fighting on both sides. I sincerely doubt there are many Ukrainians outside of the two breakaway areas who support Russian. The only good thing that came out of the annexation of Crimea was it galvanized the population behind a sense of national identity in being Ukrainian. It was the single biggest mistake of Putin, to not attack and conquer all of Ukraine at that time. He gave them the time and need to become one, and the time and need to build a functional army. They knew at that point in time this attack was coming.

I get wanting to blame NATO, and there is probably some level. However it’s nothing in comparison to what is given to Putin. 

[Stardust]

10 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Some companies will take hits. No doubt about it.

Do you think the western governments care about individual companies? Other companies are available after all.

Of course they dont. This is an opportunity to put Czar Putins economy back into the stone age along with anyone else who helps him.

The west is going to take this chance.

Russia gdp is just of the smallest and tiny countries like Belgium. It is clearly that Russia has zero chance as small regional power. They are over 50 years behind Europe in industrial developments.

[Stardust]

11 hours ago, Guest1 said:

Not really of topic. Since the outcome of this war will hit the world almost everywhere, and since Sanctions and russian Oil/Gas/Petrol is big part of this war, there should be place for a view, while some thing will, but others most likely won't happen!

This war is total different to all other wars. Even with the military actions limited, at time, to the Ukraine, all the world is called to participate the one or the other way, already!

Take sides, chose the right one. Pay for your choice!

Yes Europe, USA and allied countries have over 60% of the gdp, the Russian federation before the invasion 1,3 % of the gdp together. So sure choose the side

[Stardust]

11 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Would rather form my opinions from western geopolitical experts and published western military intelligence reports than obvious lies & propaganda by Russia. Yeah can see Putin planned for his incompetent military shitshow and effect of western unified sanctions & aid to Ukraine.

As a Ukraine soldier said in an interview I watch and with European military experts

" we can be lucky that the Russian Army so stupid"

Capabilities and fighting like it was 80 years ago in the 2nd worldwar.

Even selling over 80 years old military tech and a copy as new inventions.

He was right we can be lucky they are on this level.

[Stardust]

10 hours ago, Guest1 said:

The hypersonic missiles are already shown. As a warning, I would say. No one needed that Kinzhal, to destroy the weapon depot. That was absolutely a "show off".

Think about, Putin deploys them in Kuba: Up to New York everything in 15-20 minutes reachable! And it can carry conventional and nuclear warheads!

Aside that all capitols in Europe, except Lisbon, are in reach, too!

This showed what kind of Clowns the Russian army is to sell a technology and a copyfrom before the ww2 from the 1930s as a new development, called the Silbervogel hypersonic missile and was before V2missiles from the ww2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel

This only shows how far behind they are. But sure people who not understand technology will buy all the Clowns Propaganda from Putin. There is a big gap between reality and propagand ma and big gap between the industrial and tech developments between Russia and Europe!

[Guest1]

18 minutes ago, Stardust said:

This showed what kind of Clowns the Russian army is to sell a technology and a copyfrom before the ww2 from the 1930s as a new development, called the Silbervogel hypersonic missile and was before V2missiles from the ww2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silbervogel

This only shows how far behind they are. But sure people who not understand technology will buy all the Clowns Propaganda from Putin. There is a big gap between reality and propagand ma and big gap between the industrial and tech developments between Russia and Europe!

The scary thing is: I think, you believe yourself!

[Smithydog]

 

The following article is a good timeline of events surrounding the events in Ukraine.

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-russia-falsely-blames-ukraine-for-starting-war/a-60999948

From this it seems the following is the most likely series of events.

Russian backed Ukraine President supports non-alignment with EU against the wishes and protests of the majority of the independent Ukraine people. He flees to Russia.

Russia illegally takes over Crimea in defiance of International Law

Russian backed separatists try and take control of an industrialised area of Ukraine (Donbass) sparking a Civil war.

Russia invades Ukraine in defiance of International Law

It is quite clear that the common theme in instigating this is Russia. Not the EU, not NATO, not the USA, not President Biden nor his son.

Just Russia.

Yes the USA is the only country to use a nuclear weapon in an actual war. Russia seems to prefer just to shell the hell out of a city, as evidenced by their efforts in Mariupol.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fleeing-mariupol-teenagers-tell-destruction-shattered-dreams-2022-03-18/

The continual lies and propaganda of the Russian state and its President do not hide the facts being seen everyday in the streets of Ukraine. One man’s lust for continued expansion of his empire is seen in the deaths of the innocent, and the ongoing sham hiding the real truth of what is happening, what did happen and being smoke screened by the attempted disinformation of Putin’s supporters.

 

[Stardust]

1 hour ago, Guest1 said:

The scary thing is: I think, you believe yourself!

You debunk yourself every day

https://observers.france24.com/en/europe/20220322-debunked-videos-hypersonic-missile-russia-ukraine

 

[Stardust]

2 hours ago, Guest1 said:

The scary thing is: I think, you believe yourself!

Sure I will not believe anything from this miss information campagnes

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-proposes-measures-to-punish-russias-information-war/a-61050956

All is noticed already 

https://observers.france24.com/en/europe/20220322-debunked-videos-hypersonic-missile-russia-ukraine

 

[Guest1]

13 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Sure I will not believe anything from this miss information campagnes

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-proposes-measures-to-punish-russias-information-war/a-61050956

All is noticed already 

https://observers.france24.com/en/europe/20220322-debunked-videos-hypersonic-missile-russia-ukraine

You are a very selectiv reader and understander, mate

[Poolie]

10 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

You are a very selectiv reader and understander, mate

Reader - mmm perhaps. Understander - never!!

[Stardust]

18 minutes ago, Guest1 said:

You are a very selectiv reader and understander, mate

sure I am selective and not give anything to fake informations and propaganda and sure I am selective about what is a reliable source.