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[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, Marble-eye said:

If my father had breasts he'd have been my mother. 

This as nothing to do with anything but Putins megalomaniac ego and his desire to invade sovereign nations and he doesn't care how many people dies in the process. But hey Karl being Putins greatest apologist you must be so proud of the loss of life your leader is achieving including young still wet behind the conscripts of your own country.

You will never convince anyone on here about his murderous actions, what a great man you have chosen to defend, you must be so proud!

You didn't understand the meaning of my post. let's continue.

If Europe had not supported Ukraine's military operation in the Donbass, this operation would not have happened.

[EdwardV]

11 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

both sides use civilian infrastructure as cover. 

 

A claim with no proof what so ever. I get why Russia makes it, gives them an out for actually targeting hospitals which is a war crime. Repeating it as if it's a fact isn't intellectually honest. 

[oldschooler]

1 hour ago, KRLMRX said:

for this you need 300 years to carry slaves to unfree tyrannies.

Slavery then common worldwide and only challenged & ended in places under British control (including high seas) 200 years ago. Has never ended in Russia.  Russian Serfs little better than Slaves for 900 years ! Probably worse off as they were responsible to feed & clothe themselves …..then what was the position of Russians for last 100 years under Communism & Gangsterism …..?

[oldschooler]

56 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

You didn't understand the meaning of my post. let's continue.

If Europe had not supported Ukraine's military operation in the Donbass, this operation would not have happened.

As Russian Regime are Enemy of West of course West supported Ukraine against Russia military activities in Donbass part of Ukraine ! Once again this does NOT justify invading another country !

Ukraine quite wrong to pass those anti - Russian Laws though …Ukraine highly corrupt with somewhat flawed Democracy. No invasion justification though…

And if Ukraine was using military against ethnic Donbass Russian Civilians, West would be insisting that stop and would NOT be supporting that. 

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, AlexPTY said:

Since I don't remember, war lost its meaning. My Italian granddad fought for Soviets during WWII. There were no refugees... Everyone fought nazis. Imagine, Germans bomb London and all population escape to Mongolia. You fight for your land or surrender. Now you just flee and every social media will cry their eyes out creating a sensation. Time to respect sovereignty and let people solve their own problems. Without hypocritical influence... 

OH, beer time 

Italians did not fight Fascists as they had them in power for 20 years !

Italians & French world best at Surrender & Collaboration.

Italians fought for Hitler on Russian Front & were quite useless ….except at bombing Africans armed with Spears….until British destroyed their Military
British kids only evacuated from cities being terror- bombed by Nazis. Mongolia nothing to do with UK. There were tens of millions of WW2 Refugees.

 British did fight for their land which was never invaded & did not surrender unlike every other European country in WW2 (except Russia).

It’s Arab & African Men (not Europeans) who “bravely” run away as Fake “Refugees” ( Migrants)  to Europe leaving behind their Women & Kids & Old to be Killed. 

Europeans / British / Ukrainians send their vulnerable to safety while the Men Fight. UK Women Worked in War Factories & Served as Military Support during WW2. 

[KRLMRX]

1 hour ago, EdwardV said:

A claim with no proof what so ever. I get why Russia makes it, gives them an out for actually targeting hospitals which is a war crime. Repeating it as if it's a fact isn't intellectually honest. 

just as you have no proof of the claim that only Russia is destroying civilian infrastructure.

[KRLMRX]

46 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Slavery then common worldwide and only challenged & ended in places under British control (including high seas) 200 years ago. Has never ended in Russia.  Russian Serfs little better than Slaves for 900 years ! Probably worse off as they were responsible to feed & clothe themselves …..then what was the position of Russians for last 100 years under Communism & Gangsterism …..?

you would have made a very bad businessman in the 18th century. Obtaining a finished slave for nothing is noticeably more profitable than raising it.

[KRLMRX]

40 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

And if Ukraine was using military against ethnic Donbass Russian Civilians, West would be insisting that stop and would NOT be supporting that. 

this is exactly what happened in the Donbass these 8 years.  The war of Ukraine with the combatants was accompanied by the death of civilians.

we continue.  

If Putin had not come to power in Russia in 2000, Europe would not have supported Ukraine in its war in the Donbass in 2014-2022.  

We can continue this indefinitely.

[EdwardV]

19 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

just as you have no proof of the claim that only Russia is destroying civilian infrastructure.

 Mariupol hospital attack: Examining how Russian forces hit a Ukraine maternity and children’s hospital (cnn.com)

You can thank the Chinese for providing that proof. 

[Fanta]

10 hours ago, EdwardV said:

A claim with no proof what so ever. I get why Russia makes it, gives them an out for actually targeting hospitals which is a war crime. Repeating it as if it's a fact isn't intellectually honest. 

I watched a video of a Russian tank shelling an upper floor of a Ukrainian apartment building and thought “Why the heck would they do that?”. If they wanted to destroy the building they’d shoot the base out. Unless someone was firing at the tank or soldiers from inside the building? A soldier that wants to live is not going to stand in the street with a rocket launcher and go toe to toe with a tank. You’d get a vantage point and pick your target as would a sniper. The hospital bombings are just stupid and heads will roll over that idiocy. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by Fanta
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[Alotofshopping]

Would Ukraine consider arming itself with nuclear arms in the future if they manage to overcome this war ? IMHO , Ukraine would not be invaded if they had  (Budapest Memorandum) , deterrent perhaps  ?  

[Smithydog]

The sheer hypocrisy of the Russian Federation needs to be called out for what it is. The UN is preparing to vote on various humanitarian resolutions, one of which the Russian Federation has introduced to the Security Council. 

Now I don't usually quote the words of US representatives and politicians as simply there is often too much party political bias expressed at times. But in this case, I do feel the US Representative to the UN has highlighted the hypocrisy I refer to. She said, when speaking about the Russian Federation attempt to introduce such a resolution:

"And I, again, it would be, as I’ve said before, like the arsonist calling for the neighbors to help him put out the fire that he started in one neighbor’s house. Russia is the aggressor here, and it is absolutely unconscionable for Russia to think that they can put forward a humanitarian resolution. What Russia needs to do is stop fighting. It needs to stop killing Ukrainians. It needs to stop attacking civilians and forcing people from their homes and creating a humanitarian crisis that is only the result of their actions in Ukraine."

https://usun.usmission.gov/remarks-by-ambassador-linda-thomas-greenfield-at-the-un-security-council-stakeout-on-russian-disinformation-and-its-war-against-ukraine/

If the Russian federation is truly concerned about the humanitarian crisis, then stop the shelling, stop the illegal invasion of an independent country and return all of your forces to Russia. That way proper humanitarian relief can be delivered without the threat of what the Russian Federation is doing.

 

[Smithydog]

I am not military skilled. I did want to be when in my teens but things didn't pan out the way I wanted!

But even to a layman like myself, to me there is a distinct difference between supplying arms, conducting training exercises and invading another country with your own troops.

This rather lengthy white paper seems to indicate it was quite ok for the Ukraine defence forces to engage in exercises with NATO countries when a Russian supportive leader was in control in 2013. Did Putin get upset about this and tell his puppet to cease? Seems his foolish decisions about non-association with Europe sparked his demise. Probably smacked the ego of the Russian President that on of his own was dethroned.

https://www.mil.gov.ua/content/files/whitebook/WB_2013_eng.pdf

People keep blaming the war in Ukraine on NATO and seemingly support for an independent nation by Europe and the US. Even to falsely claiming the civil war in the Donbass region was instigated by Ukraine.

But the only references I keep finding refer to Russian troops being on Ukraine soil. Russian separatists illegally taking hold of government buildings. Nowhere does it say the Ukraine first attacked these people to start a war .

It seems the only country consistently being the aggressor and involved, whether it be Crimea, Donbass or the wider Ukraine is Russia. There may be other evidence, but everything so far, including statements from the Russian separatists themselves, indicate Russia is the country using actual troops and actual tanks of their own.

 

Russia denies it is invading, but the evidence is overwhelming: on August 15, Ukraine said its military engaged Russian tanks crossing the border; on August 16, the leader of the Russian-backed rebels announced he had received 1,200 troops from Russia; on August 21, satellite imagery spotted Russian artillery crossing the border to fire at Ukrainian forces; on August 26, someone in Ukraine took a video of Russian tanks crashing through town, and so on.

 

https://www.vox.com/2014/9/3/18088560/ukraine-everything-you-need-to-know

Time for this false narrative that blames any else than the aggressive moves by one country and its egotistical leader bent on expansion to end. Putin and Russia are the actual aggressors as usual.

 

[Poolie]

9 hours ago, EdwardV said:

 Mariupol hospital attack: Examining how Russian forces hit a Ukraine maternity and children’s hospital (cnn.com)

You can thank the Chinese for providing that proof. 

But nobody believes anything that the Chinese say - unless it suits them. Christ, they proved a Chinese guy made up a story of having his blood taken in Cambodia and when I posted that on here I was informed that even that was false!! You cant have it both ways.

[Marble-eye]

11 hours ago, KRLMRX said:

You didn't understand the meaning of my post. let's continue.

If Europe had not supported Ukraine's military operation in the Donbass, this operation would not have happened.

I totally understand the "meaning" of your post, it is total fabrication and does not follow what Putin said his reasons for this illegal invasion is.

Putin claimed that this was not a war, but a "special military operation"

Putin also told the Russian people "that It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force," he insisted.

lie after lie and what makes it worse is that Putins lies are being parroted on here by some of his followers/apologists. As I have said before you appear to be adding your own little take on this genocidal destruction of the Ukraine and its people just to justify Putins murderous actions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

[oldschooler]

5 hours ago, Poolie said:

But nobody believes anything that the Chinese say - unless it suits them. Christ, they proved a Chinese guy made up a story of having his blood taken in Cambodia and when I posted that on here I was informed that even that was false!! You cant have it both ways.

Unless it’s corroborated properly …. like night follows day or earth moves around sun…. wouldn’t believe any tyrant telling me that or anything…. without independent corroboration every time. 

[KRLMRX]

19 hours ago, EdwardV said:

 Mariupol hospital attack: Examining how Russian forces hit a Ukraine maternity and children’s hospital (cnn.com)

You can thank the Chinese for providing that proof. 

this is a text in one of the most deceitful resources, with one photo, which is posted by all Western media. on it is a girl without any traces of shrapnel wounds, which is impossible in the absence of all the windows in the building. and not a word about China.

[KRLMRX]

10 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

I totally understand the "meaning" of your post, it is total fabrication and does not follow what Putin said his reasons for this illegal invasion is.

Putin claimed that this was not a war, but a "special military operation"

Putin also told the Russian people "that It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force," he insisted.

lie after lie and what makes it worse is that Putins lies are being parroted on here by some of his followers/apologists. As I have said before you appear to be adding your own little take on this genocidal destruction of the Ukraine and its people just to justify Putins murderous actions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

Putin also said that he recognizes the independence of the DPR and LPR and begins to help them in their struggle with Ukraine. that's exactly what I was talking about

[EdwardV]

10 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

this is a text in one of the most deceitful resources, with one photo, which is posted by all Western media. on it is a girl without any traces of shrapnel wounds, which is impossible in the absence of all the windows in the building. and not a word about China.

Who said it was about China? The western media ... lets digress for a minute. Some use the term "western media" as a pejorative term. As if all western media can't be trusted. What is the alternative, Russian media? Talk about untrustworthy. We can debate which is more trustworthy (you would lose hands down), but there is no other resource when there is a need to provide back up to a claimed fact. Back to the rebuttal ... the western media you are dismissing didn't create the document, they just reprinted it. The documentation originated with the World Heath Organization. CNN just reprinted it. The WHO is hardly western media and could easily be considered an impartial third party (so says the Chinese). Now do you see the Chinese tie in?

[oldschooler]

On 3/24/2022 at 9:31 PM, KRLMRX said:

Putin also said that he recognizes the independence of the DPR and LPR and begins to help them in their struggle with Ukraine. that's exactly what I was talking about

In my opinion, Putin engineered their fake independence with spies, agitators & saboteurs to “ encourage” the process along with the small Minority of Separatist Ethnic Russians living there. they are IN Ukraine Lands. As is (was) Crimea.Now Putin has death squads killing hundreds of the less than committed “separatists” ..and blaming Ukraine for their deaths ! Stalinism Lives ! Economic Bill for Putins Murderous Stupidity in Ukraine already several hundred billion us $ ……. Crimea Sanctions cost Russia $600 billion already so Grand Total Will ultimate top the Trillion mark.

Russia doesn’t have it and can’t get it. Bankrupt by June. China won’t help or they’re the next sanctioned international pariah !

oh then there’s the NATO- estimated (so credible) 40,000 Russian troops killed wounded captured deserted after just 30 days….. whoops -a-daisy ! 
plus hundreds of tanks , armored vehicles, aircraft. plus REPARATIONS.

But Putin has certainly Wrecked Ukraine Physically & Economically (main war aim I suspect) albeit at unexpected cost of Russia Wrecked…… Permanently….

[vlad]

On 3/22/2022 at 7:46 PM, KRLMRX said:

The fake about the "Mariupol maternity hospital" has been alive for a week now, and I and the whole world are waiting for at least one photo with victims from this maternity hospital. I hope CNN can handle this. BBC, for example, could not.

Do you care how children are killed? I don't. Are children killed by napalm or by the partial destruction of a city less valuable to you?

Don't add hypocrisy to this world, it's already crowded.

Did you not see the pregnant woman being carried out on a stretcher from the bombed maternity hospital KRLMRX, or was that an Actress, or did you not see it? yes or no will do. She died a few days later and her unborn child from shrapnel wounds or will you say it's fake.

[oldschooler]

2 hours ago, EdwardV said:

Who said it was about China? The western media ... lets digress for a minute. Some use the term "western media" as a pejorative term. As if all western media can't be trusted. What is the alternative, Russian media? Talk about untrustworthy. We can debate which is more trustworthy (you would lose hands down), but there is no other resource when there is a need to provide back up to a claimed fact. Back to the rebuttal ... the western media you are dismissing didn't create the document, they just reprinted it. The documentation originated with the World Heath Organization. CNN just reprinted it. The WHO is hardly western media and could easily be considered an impartial third party (so says the Chinese). Now do you see the Chinese tie in?

Would separate “media staff talking heads” from “real experts talking or publishing using media as information distribution channel”.

Couldn’t care less what Media Correspondents or Presenters say but WILL listen to former NATO Commanders / Intelligence Chiefs or Defence Institute Analysts talking on News Channels. See that idiot Lemonhead has vanished from our screens ! Deep Joy !

[oldschooler]

10 minutes ago, vlad said:

Did you not see the pregnant woman being carried out on a stretcher from the bombed maternity hospital KRLMRX, or was that an Actress, or did you not see it? yes or no will do. She died a few days later and her unborn child from shrapnel wounds or will you say it's fake.

Not Fake but killed by Ukraine Azov squad ! like those hundreds of separatists purged recently by Putin were killed by Ukraine Army

[Stardust]

14 hours ago, Fanta said:

I watched a video of a Russian tank shelling an upper floor of a Ukrainian apartment building and thought “Why the heck would they do that?”. If they wanted to destroy the building they’d shoot the base out. Unless someone was firing at the tank or soldiers from inside the building? A soldier that wants to live is not going to stand in the street with a rocket launcher and go toe to toe with a tank. You’d get a vantage point and pick your target as would a sniper. The hospital bombings are just stupid and heads will roll over that idiocy. 

Aha there are filmed documents from survivirs and in this room the tank shote where a family and childrens. As you usual you put yor own propaganda inside with no source!

go on "who bring back our children" in youtube, because it is not for under 18 so no link can provided!

[Thaidup]

Why are people so unkind?