News Forum - UKRAINE UPDATES

[KRLMRX]

17 hours ago, PBS said:

Wagner is supported by the Russian State. It has been reported Wagner has committed war crimes in its area of operations. e.g.

https://euobserver.com/world/153643

Azov has a known background with some of its people aligned to neo Nazism Watching a Ukarnian MP this morning she claimed Azov were useful during the original Dombas conflict fighting Russian supported seperatists as at the time Ukraian government forces were not effective. Ukraine has a number of far right political parties, the MP stated not one of whom have gained political; representation in Ukraine government which puts the reality of far right acceptance in Ukraine society into the realm of pragmatic reality, thereby undermining Putin's false claims for justification of war.

I'm not talking about the past and not about support 

Right now, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine has a battalion, the official emblem of which is the Wolf Hook, the sign of the Waffen SS units, which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, including Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Poles and others.

Until you realize this, you will not understand the reason for the bitterness of the parties in this conflict.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 

[KRLMRX]

17 hours ago, PBS said:

Just to confirm, you oppose the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

yes, as well as against all other invasions.  

it is a pity that you and I will not be able to see this beautiful world without regular invasions of someone anywhere.

[KRLMRX]

8 hours ago, Stardust said:

Nobody else than Russia/Putin bombed civilians, cities and towns in the history after the WW2 thats a fact (Aleppo, Grosny, etc etc). You are spreading misinformation and no facts and just left out the chemical weapons and massmurdering civillians like Putin did in Syria. Misinformation campagnes like we see from Russia!

it would be funny if not for the millions of civilians killed in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq and so on ...

[KRLMRX]

8 hours ago, Stardust said:

On which drugs are you to compare it with Iraq or Afghanistan? There was nothing like Aleppo or Grosny! That are facts! Maybe you took too much of something to compare it. By the way Russia made 10 years war against Afghanistan.

The USSR was at war with the Western-backed Mujahideens.  After himself, he left a secular state, with schools, hospitals, built factories.

https://www.rferl.org/a/What_The_Soviets_Got_Right_In_Afghanistan/1958521.html

Remind me what Afghanistan looks like after many years of NATO invasion?  

[Alavan]

25 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I'm not talking about the past and not about support 

Right now, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine has a battalion, the official emblem of which is the Wolf Hook, the sign of the Waffen SS units, which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, including Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Poles and others.

Until you realize this, you will not understand the reason for the bitterness of the parties in this conflict.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

In elections the extreme right (neo nazis) in Ukraine get less than 3% of the votes, and are not represented in the parliament, as below the electoral treshold. So don't come with those few marginals every time.
In Western Europe those extremists are more numerous and are good friends with Putin, Like Le Pen and Salvini. He even supports them financially.
A 96 year old Ukrainian who survived Hitler was killed yesterday during a bombardment of Kharkov. He survived the camps of Buchenwald, Peenemunde, Mittelbau and Bergen Belsen.As you can see from the red triangle on his camp clothes, he was a political prisonner, not a jew.
So please change your tune that all Ukrainians are nazi's and that Russia is defending agains them.

[EdwardV]

30 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

it would be funny if not for the millions of civilians killed in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq and so on ...

You don't really see the difference between those examples and what Putin is doing in Ukraine?

The only one I would even consider agreeing is similar would be Iraq (that was pretty bad). Nothing like purposely crushing entire cities, bombing the inhabitants to drive them out (those still alive), in order to leave nothing but combatants. Makes what comes next much easier. You saw the same in Grozny and Aleppo. Only this time Putin is going to do the entire country. Putin war making 101. 

[KRLMRX]

7 hours ago, oldschooler said:

Complete nonsense. Russia already LOST all those claimed items and tyrannies care nothing for those  anyway ! your opinions all discredited here already by 99 to 1 ratio

I am aware that my opinion is in the absolute minority here.  

I don’t compare myself, but once the vast majority of his compatriots considered Cromwell a crazy barbarian who dared to say a word against the sacred right of the feudal lord to own the peasants-slaves, and today (surprise) his views are an undeniable reality for the absolute majority.

Edited March 22, 2022 by KRLMRX

[KRLMRX]

26 minutes ago, Alavan said:

In elections the extreme right (neo nazis) in Ukraine get less than 3% of the votes, and are not represented in the parliament, as below the electoral treshold. So don't come with those few marginals every time.
In Western Europe those extremists are more numerous and are good friends with Putin, Like Le Pen and Salvini. He even supports them financially.
A 96 year old Ukrainian who survived Hitler was killed yesterday during a bombardment of Kharkov. He survived the camps of Buchenwald, Peenemunde, Mittelbau and Bergen Belsen.As you can see from the red triangle on his camp clothes, he was a political prisonner, not a jew.
So please change your tune that all Ukrainians are nazi's and that Russia is defending agains them.

your blindness makes your thoughts.  

in Ukraine, all left-wing parties that remain in opposition to the course of "European integration" or simply speak of corruption are banned (OPPL, Nashi, Shariy's Party and others were simply banned the other day).  

No need to vote for neo-Nazis, because the state of Ukraine encourages an annual march in honor of Stepan Bandera in the center of the capital with calls to kill Russians.  

How many units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the emblems of the Waffen SS in Western Europe?  

I feel very sorry for this man, if this is true, this is a tragedy of two peoples who are forced to kill each other in the name of the greed of their elites.

[KRLMRX]

26 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

You don't really see the difference between those examples and what Putin is doing in Ukraine?

The only one I would even consider agreeing is similar would be Iraq (that was pretty bad). Nothing like purposely crushing entire cities, bombing the inhabitants to drive them out (those still alive), in order to leave nothing but combatants. Makes what comes next much easier. You saw the same in Grozny and Aleppo. Only this time Putin is going to do the entire country. Putin war making 101. 

yes, I don’t see the difference between the Vietnamese girls burned with napalm, between the Belgrade boys who died under the rubble of the building destroyed by NATO bombs and the children shot in Mariupol.

Explain to me please.

[oldschooler]

15 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

yes, I don’t see the difference between the Vietnamese girls burned with napalm, between the Belgrade boys who died under the rubble of the building destroyed by NATO bombs and the children shot in Mariupol.

Explain to me please.

Vietnam a filthy war. Want to know what Viets did to their own people ?  

Belgrade buildings were Genocidal  Govt. Centres & enemy Chinese embassy used for anti NATO Intel / comms. Fair Targets for Surgical Single Strike. No civilians should have been anywhere near those. Serbian Govt. committing Genocide & defied NATO Warnings to cease.What’s the problem?

Mariuopol 90% Destruction an absolute war crime stain on Russia for generations, like Grozny & Aleppo. 
No Scale Comparison with Belgrade. None. What is the matter with these lunatic butchers ? Ukraine is NOT Nazi Germany.

[KRLMRX]

I know that most Ukrainians are Humans, I don’t want to believe that they agree with this Ukrainian “doctor”, who said on national TV that he ordered to castrate captured Russian soldiers.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2022 by KRLMRX

[KRLMRX]

15 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Vietnam a filthy war. Want to know what Viets did to their own people ?  

Belgrade buildings were Genocidal  Govt. Centres & enemy Chinese embassy used for anti NATO Intel / comms. Fair Targets for Surgical Single Strike. No civilians should have been anywhere near those. Serbian Govt. committing Genocide & defied NATO Warnings to cease.What’s the problem?

Mariuopol 90% Destruction an absolute war crime stain on Russia for generations, like Grozny & Aleppo. 
No Scale Comparison with Belgrade. None. What is the matter with these lunatic butchers ? Ukraine is NOT Nazi Germany.

do you have a credible justification for killing Vietnamese and Yugoslav children?

very "free, democratic and peaceful"

Edited March 22, 2022 by KRLMRX

[oldschooler]

37 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

your blindness makes your thoughts.  

in Ukraine, all left-wing parties that remain in opposition to the course of "European integration" or simply speak of corruption are banned (OPPL, Nashi, Shariy's Party and others were simply banned the other day).  

No need to vote for neo-Nazis, because the state of Ukraine encourages an annual march in honor of Stepan Bandera in the center of the capital with calls to kill Russians.  

How many units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the emblems of the Waffen SS in Western Europe?  

I feel very sorry for this man, if this is true, this is a tragedy of two peoples who are forced to kill each other in the name of the greed of their elites.

Stamping out a few thousand marginal Ukraine Nazis inc. Azov Regiment is NOTHING to do with Putin.

Russians who want to leave Ukraine can Leave for the delights of Putins Russia. Ukraine Quite Corrupt & Anti - Russian. CANT BE BLAMED for that when millions Ukrainians killed by Stalin!!! It is what it is. 

Understand that nothing is being done about these Fascists and anti- Russian language bans & ethnic Russian political parties banned, etc.

So LEAVE for Russia next door , as Imvited.Again, not Putins Business or any proper Pretext to Invade to “ Fix” any of that. 

Russia failed to Partition Ukraine before Independence. THEY created the basis for Russia later being “ provoked” and acting like Hitler!!!

[Thaidup]

18 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I know that most Ukrainians are Humans, I don’t want to believe that they agree with this Ukrainian “doctor”, who said on national TV that he ordered to castrate captured Russian soldiers.

Edited 17 minutes ago by KRLMRX

That doctor has apologized for that statement now.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukrainian-medic-apologizes-after-saying-russian-pows-should-castrated-1690301

[oldschooler]

3 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

do you have a credible justification for killing Vietnamese and Yugoslav children?

very "free, democratic and peaceful"

It happens every time EVIL triggers War and Victims forced to fight back.

UK evacuated all kids to countryside in WW2. Russia, Germany, Vietnam & Serbia, didn’t do that…

Put your idiotic question to PUTIN leveling entire cities, deliberately & indiscriminately targeting civilians ! 

[EdwardV]

38 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

Explain to me please.

Bombing a hospital once is probably an accident. twice might be an accident. Doing so 43 times is a pattern. 

 Mariupol hospital attack: Examining how Russian forces hit a Ukraine maternity and children’s hospital (cnn.com)

I'm talking about specifically targeting citizens and the infrastructure for those citizens. There is a reason doing that is considered a war crime.

Give me an example of the West grinding a city to dust and deliberately targeting it's citizens since WWII. We are talking about wholesale destruction on a level not seen since WWII (well except Grozny and Aleppo of course). Putin has and is doing so to just about every city in front of his army. He plans to win this war by attrition and the Russian army only knows one way to do that. Citizens be damned.  

[KRLMRX]

11 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Stamping out a few thousand marginal Ukraine Nazis inc. Azov Regiment is NOTHING to do with Putin.

Russians who want to leave Ukraine can Leave for the delights of Putins Russia. Ukraine Quite Corrupt & Anti - Russian. CANT BE BLAMED for that when millions Ukrainians killed by Stalin!!! It is what it is. 

Understand that nothing is being done about these Fascists and anti- Russian language bans & ethnic Russian political parties banned, etc.

So LEAVE for Russia next door , as Imvited.Again, not Putins Business or any proper Pretext to Invade to “ Fix” any of that. 

Russia failed to Partition Ukraine before Independence. THEY created the basis for Russia later being “ provoked” and acting like Hitler!!!

that is, Russia needed to start it in 1991?

Sorry, friend, but then President Yeltsin danced at a pop concert in Siberia, conducted an orchestra in Dresden, and slept hungover on a plane in Reykjavik. He was busy.

In addition, in Ukraine at that time the first two presidents were not so crazy and did not engage in ethno-cultural genocide of the initial level.

[oldschooler]

21 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

I know that most Ukrainians are Humans, I don’t want to believe that they agree with this Ukrainian “doctor”, who said on national TV that he ordered to castrate captured Russian soldiers.

Try ceasing your petty distraction tactic of talking about anti- Russian individuals or tiny groups. 

[KRLMRX]

6 minutes ago, Thaidup said:

That doctor has apologized for that statement now.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukrainian-medic-apologizes-after-saying-russian-pows-should-castrated-1690301

yes, I know he said it was just emotions.

Did he say how many doctors managed to carry out his order?  

Do you see the bewilderment on the face of the hosts from his words?  

Did the TV channel or its owner, Mr. Akhmetov, apologize?

[oldschooler]

3 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

that is, Russia needed to start it in 1991?

Sorry, friend, but then President Yeltsin danced at a pop concert in Siberia, conducted an orchestra in Dresden, and slept hungover on a plane in Reykjavik. He was busy.

In addition, in Ukraine at that time the first two presidents were not so crazy and did not engage in ethno-cultural genocide of the initial level.

Ukraine always a badly divided “ nation” along ethnic / language regional lines. It’s really two nations (like Belgium or Old Czechoslovakia) and should have been split like that for independence.Russias Sole Fault.

[oldschooler]

1 minute ago, KRLMRX said:

yes, I know he said it was just emotions.

Did he say how many doctors managed to carry out his order?  

Do you see the bewilderment on the face of the hosts from his words?  

Did the TV channel or its owner, Mr. Akhmetov, apologize?

He apologized, didn’t mean it, heat of the moment. Perfectly Understandable in fact when these “ soldiers” are invading his country and murdering civilians, mining countryside etc. Just let it go & stop this deflecting !  

[KRLMRX]

30 minutes ago, EdwardV said:

Bombing a hospital once is probably an accident. twice might be an accident. Doing so 43 times is a pattern. 

 Mariupol hospital attack: Examining how Russian forces hit a Ukraine maternity and children’s hospital (cnn.com)

I'm talking about specifically targeting citizens and the infrastructure for those citizens. There is a reason doing that is considered a war crime.

Give me an example of the West grinding a city to dust and deliberately targeting it's citizens since WWII. We are talking about wholesale destruction on a level not seen since WWII (well except Grozny and Aleppo of course). Putin has and is doing so to just about every city in front of his army. He plans to win this war by attrition and the Russian army only knows one way to do that. Citizens be damned.  

The fake about the "Mariupol maternity hospital" has been alive for a week now, and I and the whole world are waiting for at least one photo with victims from this maternity hospital. I hope CNN can handle this. BBC, for example, could not.

Do you care how children are killed? I don't. Are children killed by napalm or by the partial destruction of a city less valuable to you?

Don't add hypocrisy to this world, it's already crowded.

Edited March 22, 2022 by KRLMRX

[Thaidup]

Democracy at work in Ukraine?, Wow, if I was Zelensky I would ban all my opposition by declaring them has having links to Russia, he should really milk this one.

 

Zelensky announces ban on 11 Ukrainian political parties with ties to Russia

https://www.axios.com/ukraine-ban-political-parties-russian-ties-af264ecd-9ad4-4e98-9f87-76f32300fd5f.html

 

[KRLMRX]

24 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

Try ceasing your petty distraction tactic of talking about anti- Russian individuals or tiny groups. 

there is such a thing as "atmosphere in society", which leads to certain consequences.

the world is ruled by contradictions, not patterns and slogans about "free democracies". If you don't believe me, ask old Hegel.

[EdwardV]

6 minutes ago, KRLMRX said:

The fake about the "Mariupol maternity hospital" has been alive for a week now, and I and the whole world are waiting for at least one photo with victims from this maternity hospital. I hope SNN can handle this. BBC, for example, could not.

Well I guess that's an answer, not to my question but it's still an answer. Honestly there is no discussion if you choose to ignore reality. That damn CNN made up the entire thing, all 43 hospitals. Oh wait, it was actually the WHO, CNN just verified it. I guess you can't even trust Chinese run international organizations anymore.