News Forum - ASEAN offers ‘thoughts and prayers’ to the people of Ukraine – OPINION

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[gopackers]

It is funny that we are pounding on ASEAN who is thousands of miles away and not condemning western allies not sending in cavalry to help their next door neighbor.

btw just watching the clip how polish soldiers stopping ukrainian refugees crossing border.  go figure.

[DWiener]

10 minutes ago, gopackers said:

It is funny that we are pounding on ASEAN who is thousands of miles away and not condemning western allies not sending in cavalry to help their next door neighbour

No-one in the West cares. Ukraine isn't that strategic and there is nothing in it for America, hence the inaction apart from a bit of sabre rattling (or dick waving) to just make everyone feel like "oooh this is bad and we're doing what we can" while doing nothing. Obviously **rolls eyes**

[Bifrost]

Surprised ? I am not-   when they can support the junta in Myanmar terror regime and a junta in TH ?

[francoa]

Most Asian countries are basically dictatorships. They wont openly criticize similar regimes

[Rick777]

Within the next decade, China will decide that some of these countries are China and just take them.

should the rest of the world claim they hope for a peaceful dialogue? 

[Billy]

12 hours ago, palooka said:

I wonder what Myanmar would say if it was China invading them to right the unjust wrongs there?

We will find out when it eventually happens.

[Ksmui]

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Nah this is not over with. I suspect this is the beginning of the end for Putin and his henchmen.

Putin needed a quick end to this war and its not happening. The Ukrainians are putting up a hell of a fight.

Sanctions are now imposed on the Russian elites.

People in Russia are protesting over the war.

Its all starting to backfire on him.

Hopefully Putin will be assassinated within a month - he’s clearly lost his mind

[pascal]

13 hours ago, palooka said:

I wonder what Myanmar would say if it was China invading them to right the unjust wrongs there?

get the point here, what occident countries would said if this really happening .......... hummmmmm i guess they will send a lot of payers as well.

[pascal]

whatever it is said, each country think as individual, none in this world is genuine enough to take position without expecting , soon or latter, something in return. this is the world we are living in. Like it or not it is what it is. Yes Russia take a bad  leap, hummmmm do we really know the whole story there? Is it we have a rogue Palpoutine? or a Darth Biden who want to expand the Nato empire. This said, is  Ukraine Mafia not one of the worse in this world? Ukraine being a part of Europe and the Nato might be not a real good idea....... from a certain point of view. Something does not sound right in this story. Decade ago Russian Gov said it won't accept Nato extension with the ex soviet union country whom became independent. Regardless Occident and US leading made everything to recruit them. From what i read Ukraine leaders want drag EU into a war ....... who in EU  want go to war  ?  I think we all know the response. So why Ukraine leaders in view of the situation did not try to diffuse the time bomb? why not trying to trade with both side instead to insist to be part of EU and Nato? By nature Ukraine is a part of Russia isn't it? so what push them or who push them more to the west than the east ? why they just did not stay in the midle? at the end of the day, when men want to fight nothing will stop them to fight and all this diplomatic bleh bleh bleh is just smoke and mirror.

[Freeduhdumb]

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[palooka]

14 hours ago, Tim_Melb said:

It would be welcomed by the regime, there are underwriten and supported by the CCP. 

Chinese would not tolerate their incompetence and they be real puppets, doing only as a chinese boss  permits. Big difference from ruling to being ruled.

[palooka]

2 hours ago, Billy said:

We will find out when it eventually happens.

Think it will come to pass, Chinese would benefit hugely with direct access to Bay of Bengal, plus the natrural resources Burma has in particular potential gas fields in the Bay of Bengal.

[vvdb.fr]

these countries are therefore satellites of China.

China has already weakened the world with COVID, debts have exploded, let's not forget...

[Bike]

I am ashamed partly living in a country that choose not to condem the Russian invasion. They probably forgot World War II where the Japanese invaded Thailand to built the River Kwai Railway. They let it happened. So every remembrance day will have a sour taste from now on.

[Pinetree]

26 minutes ago, Bike said:

I am ashamed partly living in a country that choose not to condem the Russian invasion. They probably forgot World War II where the Japanese invaded Thailand to built the River Kwai Railway. They let it happened. So every remembrance day will have a sour taste from now on.

Then you are being short sighted and not a little naïve if I may say so. Its a European fight , thousands of miles away. Its not an Asian problem. To equate it to WW2 is illogical , as that was a direct threat, albeit that Thailand effectively collaborated with the Japanese.

[Poolie]

7 hours ago, Rick777 said:

Within the next decade, China will decide that some of these countries are China and just take them.

should the rest of the world claim they hope for a peaceful dialogue? 

Based on what, may one be so forward as to enquire?

[Alavan]

15 hours ago, gopackers said:

It is funny that we are pounding on ASEAN who is thousands of miles away and not condemning western allies not sending in cavalry to help their next door neighbor.

btw just watching the clip how polish soldiers stopping ukrainian refugees crossing border.  go figure.

NATO interfering and entering Ukraine would start a world war which will become nuclear.

is it that what you want?

[Paulw]

Asian countries should hang their heads in shame over their complete lack of will to condemn Putins actions in Eastern Europe, also the junta in Myanmar who as we speak are killing their citizens. Its a disgrace that the so called leaders of nations like India abstained from voting to condemn Putin's actions, Xi Ping (CCP) also abstaining but to be expected much like the Burmese Junta's comments. Just remember next time you go shopping think twice before buying products made in PRC until such time that Chinas ruling CCP show appreciation for the rest of the worlds support and act responsibly in situations like we are currently facing. 

[BJoe]

Anybody with ANY common sense would have known that this would happen.  For all you European (NATO) jerks out there WHINING,   Russia had no choice.   All the western alliances had to do was acquiesce to Russia’s conditions of not allowing Ukraine into NATO, and halt further NATO expansion eastward.  But no…..they had to provoke the angry bear.   Putin was never going to allow NATO at its borders. The west has a far superior military force,,  but lack the “balls” to get into a shooting war with an ULTRA dangerous foe.     The US is the biggest wimp of all.  Dispute its’ military superiority, we blanch at the thought of losing American lives over Ukraine, a country not in NATO, and not acceptable to the EU.  Why the west’s reluctance?  Simple ……ECONOMICS  ( Russia is a significant contributor of natural gas and other fuel to Europe). and the  “BOMB” !   You may not like Vlad the Impaler ,  but you sure as heck better respect him. 

[Poolie]

3 minutes ago, BJoe said:

Anybody with ANY common sense would have known that this would happen.  For all you European (NATO) jerks out there WHINING,   Russia had no choice.   All the western alliances had to do was acquiesce to Russia’s conditions of not allowing Ukraine into NATO, and halt further NATO expansion eastward.  But no…..they had to provoke the angry bear.   Putin was never going to allow NATO at its borders. The west has a far superior military force,,  but lack the “balls” to get into a shooting war with an ULTRA dangerous foe.     The US is the biggest wimp of all.  Dispute its’ military superiority, we blanch at the thought of losing American lives over Ukraine, a country not in NATO, and not acceptable to the EU.  Why the west’s reluctance?  Simple ……ECONOMICS  ( Russia is a significant contributor of natural gas and other fuel to Europe). and the  “BOMB” !   You may not like Vlad the Impaler ,  but you sure as heck better respect him. 

Ooofff! Contentious!

[Rookiescot]

12 minutes ago, BJoe said:

Anybody with ANY common sense would have known that this would happen.  For all you European (NATO) jerks out there WHINING,   Russia had no choice.   All the western alliances had to do was acquiesce to Russia’s conditions of not allowing Ukraine into NATO, and halt further NATO expansion eastward.  But no…..they had to provoke the angry bear.   Putin was never going to allow NATO at its borders. The west has a far superior military force,,  but lack the “balls” to get into a shooting war with an ULTRA dangerous foe.     The US is the biggest wimp of all.  Dispute its’ military superiority, we blanch at the thought of losing American lives over Ukraine, a country not in NATO, and not acceptable to the EU.  Why the west’s reluctance?  Simple ……ECONOMICS  ( Russia is a significant contributor of natural gas and other fuel to Europe). and the  “BOMB” !   You may not like Vlad the Impaler ,  but you sure as heck better respect him. 

There are already NATO countries on Russias borders.

The Ukraine had no interest in joining NATO until Putin stole the Crimea. So all of this was caused by his own stupidity.

If you want to respect that then be my guest.

[Soidog]

16 hours ago, DWiener said:

No-one in the West cares. Ukraine isn't that strategic and there is nothing in it for America, hence the inaction apart from a bit of sabre rattling (or dick waving) to just make everyone feel like "oooh this is bad and we're doing what we can" while doing nothing. Obviously **rolls eyes**

I guess the question is, what would you have the West do? These economic sanctions and the collective condemnation of Putin will take time. Putin is only in power because he has the collective support of his cronies. Once they start to feel the pain and question his judgement his power base will start to crumble. 
 

The option here is that Putin withdraws back to the disputed territories to the East and an agreement is made whereby they could redraw national boundaries. That way Putin can claim this to be his objective. Ukraine can end a civil conflict in that region and everyone can go home. If Putin isn’t stopped he will grow more confident,  then the next move could be in Baltic.  

[Vigo]

19 hours ago, Pinetree said:

It's not their fight. 

But it is. Consider energy. China concluded a deal to purchase as much of Russia's oil and gas as Russia can supply. The EU, especially Germany is addicted to Russian energy. Russia just blew up some of Ukraine's gas pipeline. If energy shipments to  EU is curtailed, EU must seek excess from middle east. Even smug Americans and Canadians are clueless to the fact that their countries rely on  Russian energy. In 2021, Russia accounted for 21% of all U.S. gasoline imports, with Canada second at 17%

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2022/02/24/russia-is-united-states-top-source-of-imported-gasoline/?sh=6da3d9db1b18

The Canadians do not have much of a domestic  refinery business, let alone pipelines to develop their own oil resources, while the USA sabotaged the  proposed Canadian pipeline project. These countries will be chasing  Gulf and Middle eastern oil and gas. This will result in energy cost increases.

17 hours ago, DWiener said:

No-one in the West cares. Ukraine isn't that strategic and there is nothing in it for America, hence the inaction apart from a bit of sabre rattling (or dick waving) to just make everyone feel like "oooh this is bad and we're doing what we can" while doing nothing. Obviously **rolls eyes**

The loss of the Ukraine will disrupt the agricultural commodities market. Ukraine is not called  grain basket of Europe for nothing.It is the 5th largest exporter of grains and if a war destroys the    harvest and  invenotories, the cost of basic foods will soar. It is also one of the largest exporters of steel and iron. Its removal from the market will result in shortages and building costs will soar. It is also a diverse  supplier of important medications, and various types of heavy equipment.

Quite the contrary, Ukraine is an integral  part of the world economy.  

[vlad]

2 hours ago, Pinetree said:

Then you are being short sighted and not a little naïve if I may say so. Its a European fight , thousands of miles away. Its not an Asian problem. To equate it to WW2 is illogical , as that was a direct threat, albeit that Thailand effectively collaborated with the Japanese.

The Thai's Collabborted with the Khmer Rouge even allowing there leader to be given sanctuary in Thailand.