News Forum - Pfizer Vaccine protection after 6 months: Covid 47%, Hospitalisation 90%

[Thommo]

14 hours ago, Bob20 said:

Maybe you are confusing it with SinoPharm?

Sinovac is 51% effective against the original strain (manufacturer figure) and virtually zero against delta. Lately, China is flooding the internet with fake news to make it look better, but the research is clear, and so are the many hundreds of cases of delta-infection in sick healthcare workers who received only Sinovac. There is a reason why the people don't want it and why the government eventually started to mix and match...

I have 2 colleagues in the Phillipines  both double sinovaced both have recently had coivd. 

[billywillyjones]

Just now, Thommo said:

I have 2 colleagues in the Phillipines  both double sinovaced both have recently had coivd. 

Best advice is to get the diet and immune system under control as best as possible and get ahold of some good antiviral drugs.  There is no guarantee the virus will not continue to mutate which may lessen the effectiveness of the vaccines.

[Bob20]

16 minutes ago, Griff1315 said:

If you could get off your high horse and read my post I specifically mentioned children who have diabetes not type 2. In your world getting old and sick is a crime punishable by death. Why does society bother having hospitals and doctors, your way is surely best just let the sick die problem solved.

Sad world you live in do you not have parents or grandparents or are they just not included in your ideology.

From what I read from @billywillyjoneshe seems to advocate a survival of the fittest strategy. But when I asked, he denied that.

I suppose he doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs, doesn't have unsafe sex, eats responsibly and exercises regularly. Because if a virus takes advantage of any weaknesses like that, then according to him he is to blame himself.

He should count himself lucky to get away with Covid and, with a misunderstanding of the working of natural immunity, he may fare less well next time.

[Convert54]

1 hour ago, billywillyjones said:

Yeah a lot of panicked out of shape people who have not given a crap about their diet or their health or smoking or drinking now in panic mode pointing fingers and trying to get everyone vaccinated including even youth so they can feel safe.  Bad lifestyle choices is a principle driver of people getting hospitalized more so than taking a vaccine.  

I am not sure the inevitable deterioration of the immune system with increasing old age is so much a matter of bad lifestyle choices is it?

[billywillyjones]

1 minute ago, Bob20 said:

From what I read from @billywillyjoneshe seems to advocate a survival of the fittest strategy. But when I asked, he denied that.

I suppose he doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs, doesn't have unsafe sex, eats responsibly and exercises regularly. Because if a virus takes advantage of any weaknesses like that, than according to him he is to blame himself.

He should count himself lucky to get away with Covid and, with a misunderstanding of the working of natural immunity, he may fare less well next time.

Once again you are misconstruing facts  to fit your arguments.  I am saying we all have a personal responsibility to stay healthy and keep a strong immune system just as much as someone may have a personal responsibility to get vaccinated.  What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[Bob20]

5 minutes ago, Thommo said:

I have 2 colleagues in the Phillipines  both double sinovaced both have recently had coivd. 

I don't doubt you for one second.

But my post was in reply to @Remywho claimed that the effectiveness of Sinovac was in some way comparable to Pfizer which is of course utter nonsense.

[Griff1315]

10 minutes ago, billywillyjones said:

What are you smoking?  I never said anything remotely close that getting old and sick is a crime lol.  Please prevent rational responsble arguments or get off the beer.  You are inventing quotes in your mind.

Never smoked in my life, drink very little nowadays can see and read clearly thanks. Including the undertone message of I'm alright jack attitude sod the rest. 

[billywillyjones]

1 minute ago, Convert54 said:

I am not sure the inevitable deterioration of the immune system with increasing old age is so much a matter of bad lifestyle choices is it?

It certainlay can be in some cases.  So an alcoholic is not in any way resposbible for a weakend immune system?  However, these people should not be denied care and as I have  previously said on multiple occassions those who are elderly with weakend immune systems or have preconditions should be cautious and careful. What are you advocating?

[Andrew Reeve]

 

Several members are posting argumentative posts and if you cannot keep to the topic of the thread, do not post.

Pfizer Vaccine protection after 6 months: Covid 47%, Hospitalisation 90%

 

 

[vlad]

I don't post on these Topics because certain members will not believe Covid was developed in a Chinese lab in Wuhan and eventually it will be discovered as the Source. It is a virus that attacks the lungs. You don't need to be a Scientist or a specialist to understand what Covid does, its with us and will stay with us for the Foreseeable future. A Vaccine had to be formulated to combat the threat as soon as possible. If a fire is noticed you have to comtain it as fast as possible or you lose your building so you use an extinguisher or call out the fire brigade " Contain Prevention " Its not Rocket Science there is a vaccine to prevent you dying from getting infected. If you refuse the vaccine your house will burn down because you failed to respond. Its that simple.

[Rip255]

Question: How much does it wane 6 mths after a booster

[Bob20]

36 minutes ago, vlad said:

I don't post on these Topics because certain members will not believe Covid was developed in a Chinese lab in Wuhan and eventually it will be discovered as the Source. It is a virus that attacks the lungs. You don't need to be a Scientist or a specialist to understand what Covid does, its with us and will stay with us for the Foreseeable future. A Vaccine had to be formulated to combat the threat as soon as possible. If a fire is noticed you have to comtain it as fast as possible or you lose your building so you use an extinguisher or call out the fire brigade " Contain Prevention " Its not Rocket Science there is a vaccine to prevent you dying from getting infected. If you refuse the vaccine your house will burn down because you failed to respond. Its that simple.

Do Pfizer make fire extinguishers too?

[BlueSphinx]

23 minutes ago, Rip255 said:

Question: How much does it wane 6 mths after a booster

Question: How much does it wane 6 mths after a booster. 

Answer: Nobody knows yet.  But do keep an eye on the figures from Israel as they began offering third doses of the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine in July, to people aged 60 and over. 

The crazy twisted thing of course is that the quicker the effectiveness of these boosters wanes, the better it is for Pfizer's profitability as that would trigger the demand (I am refraining from using the word 'need') for new booster shots.  Immunity by subscription > the wet dream of vaccine manufacturers...

[JackIsAGoodBoy]

If you have risk factors like being overly obese or diabetes or hypertension or you are over 60 then take it. The Nordic countries just this week suspended Moderna vaccine for people or at least males under 30, because of heart inflammation issues, so there is a clear risk-benefit age limit with these vaccines.

[JohnofWoyWoy]

Has anyone been following the Project Veritas whistleblower and undercover interviews of Pfizer employees ?

[Stonker]

On 10/7/2021 at 3:37 PM, Rip255 said:

Question: How much does it wane 6 mths after a booster

What part of:

"Pfizer Vaccine protection after 6 months: Covid 47%, Hospitalisation 90%" isn't clear?

[Stonker]

On 10/7/2021 at 4:10 PM, BlueSphinx said:

The crazy twisted thing of course is that the quicker the effectiveness of these boosters wanes, the better it is for Pfizer's profitability as that would trigger the demand (I am refraining from using the word 'need') for new booster shots.  Immunity by subscription > the wet dream of vaccine manufacturers...

That's as rational as saying that making a car that breaks down quicker, or a roof that leaks more, or zips that break, or biros that run out of ink, or brake pads that don't last, or razors that only last one shave, are better for the manufacturers' profitability as that triggers demand .

[BlueSphinx]

26 minutes ago, Stonker said:

That's as rational as saying that making a car that breaks down quicker, or a roof that leaks more, or zips that break, or biros that run out of ink, or brake pads that don't last, or razors that only last one shave, are better for the manufacturers' profitability as that triggers demand .

Exactly correct, and that practice - which is illegal in some countries - is referred to as built-in or planned obsolescence. 

[Stonker]

3 hours ago, BlueSphinx said:

Exactly correct, and that practice - which is illegal in some countries - is referred to as built-in or planned obsolescence. 

Yes, but it doesn't work.

If someone else designs a better biro, roof tile, set of brakes, zip or vaccine then you're out of business unless you're the only producer - it's hardly rocket science.

[Faraday]

46 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Yes, but it doesn't work.

If someone else designs a better biro, roof tile, set of brakes, zip or vaccine then you're out of business unless you're the only producer - it's hardly rocket science.

It does work for a limited time & 'they' make a fast buck. Then, as you say, another producer makes a better product & they earn. It's an upward spiral.

How much have Pfizer made so far ...?

[Stonker]

1 hour ago, Faraday said:

How much have Pfizer made so far ...?

Actually comparatively very little - the big bucks come for those making the best product when the pandemic is over and they can put up their prices - that's why this whole argument falls apart so badly.

Share prices have gone up, but when "another producer makes a better product & they earn" instead then the share price will fall just as quickly.

@BS has a fair point if you take it in isolation or there's a global monopoly, but in the real world it would be suicide for any company, and large, successful corporations are that naive.

 

[Faraday]

 

 

1 minute ago, Stonker said:

Actually comparatively very little

Yea, $33.5billion ain't so much... 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aayushipratap/2021/07/28/pfizer-expects-335-billion-in-vaccine-revenue-in-2021/?sh=1bba75a2217d

[Stonker]

On 10/7/2021 at 2:33 PM, billywillyjones said:

What is so hard to understand about that?

Nothing, but your entire argument is based on a fallacy and a lack of understanding of basic biology, and explaining that would not only be both off topic and argumentative but should have been done early on in high school.

[BlueSphinx]

14 minutes ago, Stonker said:

Actually comparatively very little - the big bucks come for those making the best product when the pandemic is over and they can put up their prices - that's why this whole argument falls apart so badly.

Share prices have gone up, but when "another producer makes a better product & they earn" instead then the share price will fall just as quickly.

@BS has a fair point if you take it in isolation or there's a global monopoly, but in the real world the whole it would be suicide for any company.

2 hours ago, Faraday said:

... How much have Pfizer made so far ...?

 

Sales worth $11.3bn (£8bn) were made by Pfizer in the first half of this year from the Covid-19 jab that it developed with Germany’s BioNTech. In July it lifted its 2021 sales forecast to $33.5bn.

BioNTech expects to make revenues of nearly €16bn (£13.5bn) from the vaccine this year, as its first-half net profit jumped to almost €4bn from €142m a year earlier.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/11/covid-19-vaccines-the-contracts-prices-and-profits

 

[Faraday]

@BlueSphinx

Yea but, yea, it's not about pharmaceutical companies making disgustingly high profits at a time when - allegedly, there is a global crisis.

They're here to help....

*Faraday wakes up with a start*