News Forum - American man arrested in rape of massuese, attack of young girl

[Viggen840]

So, it's ok for a farang to commit a serious crime and get a (virtual) get out of jail free card? That means a Thai can go to Yankland, beat the crap out of someone, try and abduct a child (for whatever purpose) and then not face jail over there? Please show me the Memorandum of Understanding for this!

Do the crime, do the time... in the the relevant country and don't cry about getting caught because of your weakness for illegal drugs.

[Viggen840]

2 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

Any citizen of the US is subject to it's laws anywhere in the world. For Americans accused of statutory crimes, it is very common for the US to ask for the right to come to Thailand, collect the individual, and bring them back to the US for trial. 

Over and above those of the country they are in? So a scrotum from say California can happily puff away on marijuana in the streets of Bangkok or Phuket safe from Thai laws? I don't think so!

This village idiot has seriously assaulted a woman and tried who knows what with a young girl and you want to give him a free pass because of the arrogant supposition that local laws don't apply... because he is a Yank?

Pre-bloody-posterous!!!

[Bob20]

29 minutes ago, Viggen840 said:

So, it's ok for a farang to commit a serious crime and get a (virtual) get out of jail free card? That means a Thai can go to Yankland, beat the crap out of someone, try and abduct a child (for whatever purpose) and then not face jail over there? Please show me the Memorandum of Understanding for this!

Do the crime, do the time... in the the relevant country and don't cry about getting caught because of your weakness for illegal drugs.

It does happen. Recently a Dutchman, for no reason but "fun", kicked another guy (unknown to him) to death on the streets in Spain. He was extradicted and faces not only possible punishment, but even the trial in the Netherlands.

If anyone doesn't like the law and agreements as they stand, you need to lobby to change them before something happens.

[Viggen840]

1 hour ago, Lowseasonlover said:

Yes I know that, they have special teams working here in SEA looking for know peado's from America, but the guy above didnt say that or to me he made it look like they could just walk in  here and take him back to America, he has to do his time here first

Hope so!

[TukTuk]

37 looks like 50+.

Fat, out of shape, poorly dressed.

Looks like he doesn't have 10 baht to his name.

Was he living in Thailand? What was he doing for work?

Typical low class scumbag the Thai govt doesn't want.

He will get his penance as soon as the prison door slams.

Good riddance.

[gummy]

Apologies folks but isn't this thread about an American man who has been arrested for the rape of a Thai women rather then debating levels of perceived intelligence determination in parts of America ?  

This was a vile and disgusting act and and it would be a shame if any further relevant updates in this thread were not possible due it becoming locked due to opinionated "experts" on human intelligence levels expounding their own theories here.

[Viggen840]

On 10/2/2021 at 5:57 PM, Fluke said:

I do think that you misunderstand what the word "allegedly" means . 

Using the word "allegedly" is not giving an opinion on whether you think that he is guilty or not , its merely stating that he hasn't yet been convicted of those crime that he has been accused of 

You mean 'allegedly' committed, don't you? Allegedly is a word that bottom-feeding lawyers have managed to slime[sic] into legal proceedings over the years and is now gleefully used by media as well. 

If this assault and attempted abduction (no allegedly) had been conducted by a Thai, would we be seeing the farang coverage we have here? Now we have people seriously suggesting because he is a YANK he should be tried in the US because THEIR judicial laws apply to citizens worldwide? Sorry, that boat don't float!

Yes, he should get a fair trial - in Thailand - then be found guilty and do his time in a Thai jail. Let the message go forth... drugs aren't an excuse for violent behaviour and respect the people and the law of the land you are in.

[Viggen840]

20 hours ago, AussieBob said:

He aint going to like it much - which is a good thing.

Great pictures! They should be sent worldwide with the caption 'stuff up in Thailand and hotel accommodation is provided free!'

[Faz]

A number of off topic posts, replies and quoted posts have been removed.

The topic is about one man who happens to be a US national, not the educational levels in the USA.

[Fluke]

1 hour ago, Viggen840 said:

You mean 'allegedly' committed, don't you? Allegedly is a word that bottom-feeding lawyers have managed to slime[sic] into legal proceedings over the years and is now gleefully used by media as well. 

If this assault and attempted abduction (no allegedly) had been conducted by a Thai, would we be seeing the farang coverage we have here? Now we have people seriously suggesting because he is a YANK he should be tried in the US because THEIR judicial laws apply to citizens worldwide? Sorry, that boat don't float!

Yes, he should get a fair trial - in Thailand - then be found guilty and do his time in a Thai jail. Let the message go forth... drugs aren't an excuse for violent behaviour and respect the people and the law of the land you are in.

Yes, but you really need to use the correct terms . 

When a crime has been committed a person may be a suspect of comiting those crimes  and until he has been found guilty in Court , they remain as alleged crimes .

   Innocent until proven guilty by a Court , a journalist doesn't decide on whether he is guilty or not 

[dmacarelli]

19 hours ago, Viggen840 said:

Over and above those of the country they are in? So a scrotum from say California can happily puff away on marijuana in the streets of Bangkok or Phuket safe from Thai laws? I don't think so!

This village idiot has seriously assaulted a woman and tried who knows what with a young girl and you want to give him a free pass because of the arrogant supposition that local laws don't apply... because he is a Yank?

Pre-bloody-posterous!!!

NO. You do not have the right to do things that are illegal here, just because they are legal in the US. But, if they are illegal here, and also there, the US can ask for extradition, and can try you in the US, for crimes you committed here. It is typically applied to sex crimes, and often applied to statutory rape. I have heard this from several attorneys, both here and in the US. It is a fact. 

Sometimes, a country will extradite a citizen back home to face charges. For instance, the U.S. will do this for anyone who has committed or allegedly committed underage sex with a minor. It really depends on the severity of the crime. The big take-away here: do your research before you travel. We highlight some very serious crimes here, but it's also crucial to be aware of different cultural norms abroad, as those can often translate over to different laws than your home country.

https://www.seeker.com/can-americans-be-arrested-for-breaking-us-law-overseas-1792700202.html

Edited October 4, 2021 by dmacarelli

[Mamachigawa]

On 10/3/2021 at 9:42 PM, Viggen840 said:

Over and above those of the country they are in? So a scrotum from say California can happily puff away on marijuana in the streets of Bangkok or Phuket safe from Thai laws? I don't think so!

This village idiot has seriously assaulted a woman and tried who knows what with a young girl and you want to give him a free pass because of the arrogant supposition that local laws don't apply... because he is a Yank?

Pre-bloody-posterous!!!

US corporations/persons  go overseas to do things they cant get to do legally in the US such as polluting, exploiting low cost labor and unsafe working conditions, and income tax havens. A vile but common practice but honestly if I could legally avoid income tax by depositing in a foreign bank or shell corporation why not?

US laws do not apply overseas but, The US has specific laws that cover prosecution of US citizens for extraterritorial acts of human trafficking, sex with minors/peado and of course Terrorism. Local law applies. Then the US gets a crack at them hopefully a state prison. where the lifers kill them on sight. 

[dmacarelli]

On 10/3/2021 at 6:01 AM, Lowseasonlover said:

It says in the article they will be taking him back to KK to be charged a re enactment could be dangerous like the one the other week when over 200 locals turned up 

And so? Would he find compassion from any of us? Would anyone mourn his death, or beating? There is even a possibility his mother is relieved he has finally been nabbed. Imagine raising this monster?