News Forum - Torture and forced disappearances bills pass House vote 368-0

[Thaiger]

4 bills on torture and forced disappearances have now successfully passed the House of Representatives in a triumph for human rights in Thailand. One member of parliament abstained from voting while the rest voted unanimously in favour of the 4 bills in a vote of 368 to 0. The bills include 34 sections covering a wide range of facets of dealing with the corrupt practices of forced disappearances and torture in the country. The bill differentiates these crimes and calls for them to be handled separately, treated as special cases with jurisdiction being granted to the Department of Special Investigations. […]

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[DoUKnowWhoIAm]

Is this picture from a real torture& disappearance situation or a scene from a Thai B- movie?

[PBS]

A long overdue step in the right direction with Thai agencies often accused of human right abuses, including murder. The question mark is there political will for DSI to act free of interference / corruption. A brief overview of DSI...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Special_Investigation

 

[Bob20]

They should have a look around the residence of that one abstainer

[HolyCowCm]

So now what? They have to use recyclable plastic if they are going to use bags? And if they are going to in fact use cement, it has to be from an approved supplier? And can this also cover bad false governing which is abusing the majority of the people's lives and should be rights?

And now this is totally after the fact as Joe Ferrari is grandfathered on the old laws. And don't the military run on their own guidelines?

All good fine and dandy, but they probably will just go the full extra yard to make sure there is no evidence. Say like the black operatives Thaskin used under the dug campaign. Non traceable.

[gummy]

17 minutes ago, Bob20 said:

They should have a look around the residence of that one abstainer

Perhaps that member has a residence alongside the Mekong were many of the unfortunates ended up

[Bob20]

1 minute ago, gummy said:

Perhaps that member has a residence alongside the Mekong were many of the unfortunates ended up

There might be a few interesting things floating around there...

[gummy]

1 minute ago, Bob20 said:

There might be a few interesting things floating around there...

Not really as the bodies previously discovered was when the Mekong had low water levels and bodies in barrels with concrete poured in do not float that well. Guess we will have to wait to the dry season again to see who else turns up. However this bill is just a smoke screen as since when do people who deliberately kill people, or order their killings follow the law ?  

[Bob20]

21 minutes ago, gummy said:

Not really as the bodies previously discovered was when the Mekong had low water levels and bodies in barrels with concrete poured in do not float that well. Guess we will have to wait to the dry season again to see who else turns up. However this bill is just a smoke screen as since when do people who deliberately kill people, or order their killings follow the law ?  

Oh, absolutely. But it does give a weird vibe for the only person not voting in favour of the bill...

[gummy]

37 minutes ago, Bob20 said:

Oh, absolutely. But it does give a weird vibe for the only person not voting in favour of the bill...

Maybe he will "disappear" 

[DrPhibes]

Six months from now, "Oh ya, Joe Ferrari, almost forgot as nothing in the news for the last 6 months, whatever happened to that guy?"

[MrStretch]

It's one thing to write a bill and pass it into a law.

It's another thing to keep the boys in uniform from using rubber hoses and disappearing someone.

This only works if the Department of Special Investigations isn't influenced by "someone" above them.

[AdvocatusDiaboli]

1 minute ago, MrStretch said:

It's another thing to keep the boys in uniform from using rubber hoses and disappearing someone.

A good example is why the road toll is so high! Boys (and Girls) in uniform have the tools, but tend to ignore them. Maybe same will happen with this law …. Ignored unless something in it for them!

[Soidog]

I’m a bit busy today so haven’t read the full article. I’m assuming this is a bill passed which makes torture and disappearance mandatory for anyone who dares to speak their mind?

[HolyCowCm]

4 hours ago, Bob20 said:

Oh, absolutely. But it does give a weird vibe for the only person not voting in favour of the bill...

Maybe he is the Thai Godfather and has a huge ring everyone kisses.

[HolyCowCm]

19 minutes ago, Soidog said:

I’m a bit busy today so haven’t read the full article. I’m assuming this is a bill passed which makes torture and disappearance mandatory for anyone who dares to speak their mind?

Oh boy. All of us are doomed on TT now.

[Soidog]

1 minute ago, HolyCowCm said:

Oh boy. All of us are doomed on TT now.

The good thing is, the xenophobia of the Thais mean they regard us with the same importance I do for the fly that’s just hit my windscreen. Consequently they don’t think we have anything important to say. 

[Bob20]

4 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said:

Maybe he is the Thai Godfather and has a huge ring everyone kisses.

Yes, or like someone said he may soon "disappear".

[HolyCowCm]

2 minutes ago, Soidog said:

The good thing is, the xenophobia of the Thais mean they regard us with the same importance I do for the fly that’s just hit my windscreen. Consequently they don’t think we have anything important to say. 

Ever hear the joke-  What is the last thing a fly sees after it hits the windshield?

[HolyCowCm]

3 minutes ago, Bob20 said:

Yes, or like someone said he may soon "disappear".

That would almost be too funny. 

[dmacarelli]

Enforcement and arrests of current officials is not exactly a Thai strong suit. These bills are good, but mean nothing if there is no enforcement. No doubt the heinous leaders have made several critics disappear. So, does that make the PM a serial killer? Possibly. 

[harry1]

another PR excise,after being dormant for a few years, coincidently after jo90 exposed torture by the media ? now  seen to be stamping out this bad practice by our morally abiding peers.as we know law and justice isnt as in western society ?.when 9 judges vote unanimously,in a fit to serve ruling,and when a army regulation overrides the constitution law,or indeed international conviction are not recognized.Thai law is interpreted in many different ways

[gummy]

18 hours ago, harry1 said:

another PR excise,after being dormant for a few years, coincidently after jo90 exposed torture by the media ? now  seen to be stamping out this bad practice by our morally abiding peers.as we know law and justice isnt as in western society ?.when 9 judges vote unanimously,in a fit to serve ruling,and when a army regulation overrides the constitution law,or indeed international conviction are not recognized.Thai law is interpreted in many different ways

Yes it appears it is interpreted on the balance of justice weighed heavily in favour of the side of the scales containing the THB "donated"