Thaiger Posted September 17, 2021 #61612 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 bills on torture and forced disappearances have now successfully passed the House of Representatives in a triumph for human rights in Thailand. One member of parliament abstained from voting while the rest voted unanimously in favour of the 4 bills in a vote of 368 to 0. The bills include 34 sections covering a wide range of facets of dealing with the corrupt practices of forced disappearances and torture in the country. The bill differentiates these crimes and calls for them to be handled separately, treated as special cases with jurisdiction being granted to the Department of Special Investigations. […] The post Torture and forced disappearances bills pass House vote 368-0 appeared first on Thaiger News. Read the full story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoUKnowWhoIAm Posted September 17, 2021 #61618 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Is this picture from a real torture& disappearance situation or a scene from a Thai B- movie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBS Posted September 17, 2021 #61629 Share Posted September 17, 2021 A long overdue step in the right direction with Thai agencies often accused of human right abuses, including murder. The question mark is there political will for DSI to act free of interference / corruption. A brief overview of DSI... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Special_Investigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob20 Posted September 17, 2021 #61633 Share Posted September 17, 2021 They should have a look around the residence of that one abstainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyCowCm Posted September 17, 2021 #61653 Share Posted September 17, 2021 So now what? They have to use recyclable plastic if they are going to use bags? And if they are going to in fact use cement, it has to be from an approved supplier? And can this also cover bad false governing which is abusing the majority of the people's lives and should be rights? And now this is totally after the fact as Joe Ferrari is grandfathered on the old laws. And don't the military run on their own guidelines? All good fine and dandy, but they probably will just go the full extra yard to make sure there is no evidence. Say like the black operatives Thaskin used under the dug campaign. Non traceable. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummy Posted September 17, 2021 #61655 Share Posted September 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bob20 said: They should have a look around the residence of that one abstainer Perhaps that member has a residence alongside the Mekong were many of the unfortunates ended up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob20 Posted September 17, 2021 #61658 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 minute ago, gummy said: Perhaps that member has a residence alongside the Mekong were many of the unfortunates ended up There might be a few interesting things floating around there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummy Posted September 17, 2021 #61666 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Bob20 said: There might be a few interesting things floating around there... Not really as the bodies previously discovered was when the Mekong had low water levels and bodies in barrels with concrete poured in do not float that well. Guess we will have to wait to the dry season again to see who else turns up. However this bill is just a smoke screen as since when do people who deliberately kill people, or order their killings follow the law ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob20 Posted September 17, 2021 #61689 Share Posted September 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, gummy said: Not really as the bodies previously discovered was when the Mekong had low water levels and bodies in barrels with concrete poured in do not float that well. Guess we will have to wait to the dry season again to see who else turns up. However this bill is just a smoke screen as since when do people who deliberately kill people, or order their killings follow the law ? Oh, absolutely. But it does give a weird vibe for the only person not voting in favour of the bill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummy Posted September 17, 2021 #61710 Share Posted September 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, Bob20 said: Oh, absolutely. But it does give a weird vibe for the only person not voting in favour of the bill... Maybe he will "disappear" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPhibes Posted September 17, 2021 #61798 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Six months from now, "Oh ya, Joe Ferrari, almost forgot as nothing in the news for the last 6 months, whatever happened to that guy?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrStretch Posted September 17, 2021 #61830 Share Posted September 17, 2021 It's one thing to write a bill and pass it into a law. It's another thing to keep the boys in uniform from using rubber hoses and disappearing someone. This only works if the Department of Special Investigations isn't influenced by "someone" above them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvocatusDiaboli Posted September 17, 2021 #61834 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 minute ago, MrStretch said: It's another thing to keep the boys in uniform from using rubber hoses and disappearing someone. A good example is why the road toll is so high! Boys (and Girls) in uniform have the tools, but tend to ignore them. Maybe same will happen with this law …. Ignored unless something in it for them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soidog Posted September 17, 2021 #61867 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I’m a bit busy today so haven’t read the full article. I’m assuming this is a bill passed which makes torture and disappearance mandatory for anyone who dares to speak their mind? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyCowCm Posted September 17, 2021 #61894 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Bob20 said: Oh, absolutely. But it does give a weird vibe for the only person not voting in favour of the bill... Maybe he is the Thai Godfather and has a huge ring everyone kisses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyCowCm Posted September 17, 2021 #61897 Share Posted September 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Soidog said: I’m a bit busy today so haven’t read the full article. I’m assuming this is a bill passed which makes torture and disappearance mandatory for anyone who dares to speak their mind? Oh boy. All of us are doomed on TT now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soidog Posted September 17, 2021 #61901 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 minute ago, HolyCowCm said: Oh boy. All of us are doomed on TT now. The good thing is, the xenophobia of the Thais mean they regard us with the same importance I do for the fly that’s just hit my windscreen. Consequently they don’t think we have anything important to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob20 Posted September 17, 2021 #61906 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, HolyCowCm said: Maybe he is the Thai Godfather and has a huge ring everyone kisses. Yes, or like someone said he may soon "disappear". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyCowCm Posted September 17, 2021 #61907 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Soidog said: The good thing is, the xenophobia of the Thais mean they regard us with the same importance I do for the fly that’s just hit my windscreen. Consequently they don’t think we have anything important to say. Ever hear the joke- What is the last thing a fly sees after it hits the windshield? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyCowCm Posted September 17, 2021 #61909 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bob20 said: Yes, or like someone said he may soon "disappear". That would almost be too funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacarelli Posted September 18, 2021 #62451 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Enforcement and arrests of current officials is not exactly a Thai strong suit. These bills are good, but mean nothing if there is no enforcement. No doubt the heinous leaders have made several critics disappear. So, does that make the PM a serial killer? Possibly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry1 Posted September 18, 2021 #62483 Share Posted September 18, 2021 another PR excise,after being dormant for a few years, coincidently after jo90 exposed torture by the media ? now seen to be stamping out this bad practice by our morally abiding peers.as we know law and justice isnt as in western society ?.when 9 judges vote unanimously,in a fit to serve ruling,and when a army regulation overrides the constitution law,or indeed international conviction are not recognized.Thai law is interpreted in many different ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummy Posted September 19, 2021 #63044 Share Posted September 19, 2021 18 hours ago, harry1 said: another PR excise,after being dormant for a few years, coincidently after jo90 exposed torture by the media ? now seen to be stamping out this bad practice by our morally abiding peers.as we know law and justice isnt as in western society ?.when 9 judges vote unanimously,in a fit to serve ruling,and when a army regulation overrides the constitution law,or indeed international conviction are not recognized.Thai law is interpreted in many different ways Yes it appears it is interpreted on the balance of justice weighed heavily in favour of the side of the scales containing the THB "donated" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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