News Forum - North Korea launches 2 ballistic missiles off their coast

[Stardust]

6 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Let me say like that, Trump was a disaster for the Nato and all allies and I hope Biden is not the same disaster. But to tell Trump made a good job is really a joke and all Nato partners would spit there coffee over the table or did a good job about Iran or north Korea. Please ask sombody from the Nato or Europe what they think about. I assure you all will tell you he was the worst they ever had to work together and woth the greates damage they experienced. Allies, Nato , Eu is not a one man show and Trump had not the competence to do that job and everybody who is involved will tell you that. By the way they also called him the dumbest they ever experienced. Go out of your American box if you talk about Allies, Nato or military operations! Because in all of that were many countries involved not only America. If I read your comments then I guess you never served in the us army and were in a operation in middle east or somewhere otherwise you would know it better. 

To make it more clear, under Trump Iran and North Korea developped their nuclear program like never before. EU ,USA and Allies stopped it before and had it under control and Trump came and brought everything out of control. They had inspectors before who could control them, made inspections and contracts to keep it in balance. Under Trump this was done! 

[9S_]

9 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Trump was a disaster for the Nato and all allies

You guys made because Trump made you contribute 2% of your GDP to defense funds. How does that make NATO a disaster?
 

How does allowing Russia to built a pipeline with direct access to Western Europe strengthen Europe?

Did NATO call any of Trumps foreign policy decisions the “Biggest debacles since NATOs funding” or was that someone else?

Did NATO allies had to rush into Afghanistan to withdraw their own citizens happen under Trump or under some other guy?

Maybe you guys can protect yourselves from now on. Let other European nations save you guys from Germany committing mass genocide. We’ll sit the next one out i when Trump is in office. 

13 minutes ago, Stardust said:

If I read your comments then I guess you never served in the us army and were in a operation in middle east or somewhere otherwise you would know it better. 

You don’t have to serve to form an opinion. That’s plain ridiculous. That’s like saying Americans shouldn’t have gone into WW2 because no Germans had imprisoned American Jews. Please do better next time. 
 

14 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Please ask sombody from the Nato or Europe what they think about. I assure you all will tell you he was the worst they ever had to work together and woth the greates damage they experienced. Allies, Nato , Eu is not a one man show and Trump had not the competence to do that job and everybody who is involved will tell you that. By the way they also called him the dumbest they ever experienced. Go out of your American box if you talk about Allies, Nato or military operations! Because in all of that were many countries involved not only America

Okay how many wars did Trump drag NATO or European allies into?

Afghanistan? That was Bush

Iraq? That was Bush too

Syria? That was Biden

Libya? That was Biden too

 

[9S_]

1 hour ago, Stardust said:

You are right but if people who not served there are not Americans or germans, never been there, never lived there, never served Afghanistan,Irak middle east , Africa or east think they know it better is a kind of strange. Every American who served or been in war knows where the HQ is and knows also about Stuttgart or Ramstein and knows about when he go injured in a battle where will come . It is Ramstein! And everybody who was in drones also know where the HQ is. Everybody who served also knows about Mutlangen and the nuclear missiles and about the history. And sure it has reasons outsiders doesnt know a lot. I am wondering a little bit was about the Ssh from an Aussie who can't know anything about it and never served in a american or german unit, without the ssh I could discuss.

So was it OK for America to fight in WW2 even though it was Japan that attacked America first, but the Us chose the European theater as priority? Nazi Germany didn’t attack us so by your logic then it was wrong for the US to save Europe from Germany. 
 

So was it okay for Bush senior to push Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait? By your logic he shouldn’t have because the US had no relation to Kuwait. 
 

So was it okay to go into Korea to stop the North Korean advance into South Korea? Because by your logic it was not okay since the US had no relations with South Korea. 
 

Your argument doesn’t hold water. You don’t need to experience something to have an opinion on it. You don’t have to serve in was to have a position. I don’t buy that reasoning at all. It’s lazy and it’s only meant to deprive people of their right to speak out. 

[Andrew Reeve]

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North Korea launches 2 ballistic missiles off their coast

Please stay on topic

 

[ThailandRyan]

KIds will be learning to drop and cover under their desks again.  Looks like the second coming of the Cold War is soon to be upon us.  Former Missileers are glad they are not down in the silo bases in the US located in Wyoming, Montana, and South Dakota.  Military will definitely be going on alert, at least the USASMDC will be.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/other/china-is-the-strategic-problem-in-the-indo-pacific-region-says-defense-expert/vi-AAOuQe9

 

China is the 'strategic problem' in the Indo-Pacific region, says defense expert

 

[AussieBob]

16 hours ago, Stardust said:

What you mean woth HQ. But I guess only Americans who served in Germany know what I am talking about and people who are living in Baden Wusrtember Germany know Mutlangen and whats about. If you mean the nuclear arsenal and bases are in Germany because it was the border to the soviet block and there is no doubt about because I was living next to it and know a lot of people who ssrved there. Ypu ever been there or know sombody from there? I guess not otherwise you would know as everybody knows from that area.

You have missed the point about where the Head Quarters (HQ) is located and of what I am speaking about, and I dont think you actually know military matters very much.  HQ is a military term (an acronym like DMZ).  That is why Thailand is so full of acronyms - they are very much a 'military based/run society' - have you noticed all those teachers wearing uniforms? 

[longwood50]

On 9/15/2021 at 11:02 PM, HolyCowCm said:

Ya want to think, Trump is an egotistic whole.  But if the US Ego whole/Wholed every one in their range? Sorry I voted Trump but I do not want him back in anything

Trump is hardly a perfect person but then again, as chronicled the USA is littered with former presidents who are very flawed.  LBJ was a war monger, Richard Nixon neurotic, Bill Clinton a serial womanizer possibly a sexual predator, George W. Bush an outright liar, Obama a narcissistic, anti-American socialist idealist, and of course that now brings is the Quid Pro Quo Joe. He has for decades peddled his influence to enrich himself and his family.  Worst, he never was a particularly bright person and after 3 strokes he can't read two sentences correctly from a teleprompter.  Nope Trump was not perfect but the USA and its system of government gets the least rather than the most desirable people to run.  Putting it into perspective, Trump beat Hillary.  She was so bad that even Trump could defeat her.  He was in the eyes of the voter, the lesser of two really poor candidates and then we get a person who has all indications he will soon not recognize himself in the mirror based on his recent speeches. 

[longwood50]

On 9/15/2021 at 11:39 PM, Stardust said:

Please inform you first before writing!

Please show me one example where Europe has or is taking "the lead" in anything.  Having 20 soldiers parading around Africa is hardly a major outreach to rid the world of bad actors.  The conflicts around the world have been predominately the USA in both number of troops, weaponry, and financial backing.  The European nations if they think the USA is doing such a bad job should pony up, get a military force and demonstrate they can lead instead of follow the USA with a handful of soldiers strictly to show solidarity.  Hell if Europe was such a stalwart leader why does the USA have troops in Germany 75 years after WWII and the same is true of Japan.

Edited September 17, 2021 by longwood50

[Stardust]

39 minutes ago, longwood50 said:

Please show me one example where Europe has or is taking "the lead" in anything.  Having 20 soldiers parading around Africa is hardly a major outreach to rid the world of bad actors.  The conflicts around the world have been predominately the USA in both number of troops, weaponry, and financial backing.  The European nations if they think the USA is doing such a bad job should pony up, get a military force and demonstrate they can lead instead of follow the USA with a handful of soldiers strictly to show solidarity.  Hell if Europe was such a stalwart leader why does the USA have troops in Germany 75 years after WWII and the same is true of Japan.

Afghanistan, irak etc. In all this missions were european troops and not 20! The US bases in Germany are for the operations in middle east east and Africa. You never served in the us army otherwise you would know it. And ever heard of Kandahar german base in Afghanistan or uk troops in Afghanistan? And ever heard of a french army and where around the world have their troops. Ever heard of kfor troops? Ever heard of Nato? You surly never participated in any us army operations otherwise you would know about.

[longwood50]

15 hours ago, Stardust said:

s. Ever heard of kfor troops? Ever heard of Nato? You surly never participated in any us army operations otherwise you would know about.

Yes I have heard of NATO.    And do you know which country is the backbone behind it. Here again our European allies let the USA as one country spend more than all of them combined. And who benefits?  Not the USA, it also spends billions on itself and has a very capable military force without NATO.  The rest of the world throws in token amounts into NATO and then counts on the USA to pick up the bulk of the bill to safeguard them  

  Again, show me one, just one example of where a European Country or countries  or Japan took on as the primary force to take on dangerous countries around the world instead of being token support forces showing solidarity with the USA.  They don't.  They let the USA spend its blood and treasure and then just like you, carp, that the USA " doesn't understand"  Well I am the first to say the USA has stuck its nose in places it doesn't belong.  With that said, Japan and Europe need middle east oil far far far more than the USA.  If it was not for U.S. intervention to safeguard the supply of oil in the middle east I suggest Europe and Japan would be putting on extra clothing to keep warm and riding their bikes to get to work. 

Edited September 18, 2021 by longwood50

[GMoney2312]

Meanwhile in America.....