News Forum - Jo Ferrari: his arrest, press conference and investigation details

[Stonker]

2 hours ago, Mike said:

I’m constantly amazed at the number of criminal defendants in Thailand who will talk to the police ON CAMERA with reporters standing around. Some even walk the police through the crime scene and explain exactly how they committed the crime….  

Your rights do you no good if you through them away so haphazardly. 

You only serve half your sentence in Thailand if you plead guilty, @Mike - that's the official system, and to have a guilty plea accepted you may have to re-enact the crime to prove that you're not just being paid to take the rap or being coerced.

It's one of the few things about the courts here that makes a lot of sense!

[Michaelbusnelli]

For rent in bangkok 2 acers land including fancy house.

For more details call

1-800-jo-ferrari

*( A minimum 25 years contract) 

 

 

[Stardust]

7 minutes ago, kerryd said:

What "rights" do you think he has ? This it THAILAND, not the (USA/UK/Australia or wherever).

In THAILAND, if a suspect confesses to the crime and cooperates with the police (i.e. by showing them what he/she did and how) they can expect to get half the sentence they would have if they'd pled not guilty and were found guilty during a trial.

For example. A robbery suspect decides to plead not guilty (because he's watched too many American TV shows and thinks he can get off on a technicality). He doesn't cooperate with the police, goes to trial, evidence is presented which, in America, may have been tossed, the judge (no jury trials in THAILAND) finds the defendant guilty and gives him 10 years in prison (or whatever the maximum is for that particular crime).

But, because this is Thailand, lets say the same suspect, knowing he's guilty as hell, pleads guilty right away and cooperates with the police.
No need for a long, drawn out trial, the judge merely has to pass sentence. In "gratitude" for saving the system the time and expense of a trial, the defendant is given a 5 year sentence (half of whatever the maximum sentence would have been).

(And that sentence can be knocked down by quite a few years due to annual Royal Pardons.)

A lot of foreigners here assume that people have the same "rights" here as they would "back home" which simply is not the case.
Which is also why a lot of foreigners end up in prison here, because they seem to think they should be able to get away with the same things they can "back home".

Then discover stuff like how possession of even a small quantity of a "recreational drug" can land them in prison for 20 years when "back home" the worst they'd face is having their stash confiscated.

And sometimes a plastic bag could be strong argument for confessing or not to have enough money to pay the bribe.

[AdamX]

8 hours ago, Thaiger said:

Details have now solidified on the arrest of Thitisan Utthanaphon, aka “Chief Joe”, aka “Jo Ferrari”, the police station superintendent accused with 6 other officers of suffocating a suspect in custody, allegedly in an attempt to extort him for 2 million baht. Despite previous reports originating in Thai media, the fleeing officer was not found just across the Burmese border but actually surrendered earlier this evening to police in Chon Buri. A major general from the Provincial Police Region 6 reported he called Jo Ferrari at 11 pm last night, asking him to surrender and arranging to pick him up […]

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Every country has its corrupt people in power, Thailand is no different.

At least here I have the choice to pay a cop to turn the other cheek

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Removed off-topic US politics input.

[MTa449]

Can you believe that B's ! This dude and his accomplices murdered an alleged drug dealer, attempted to cover it up through false medical assessment and now he's trying to cop a plea by saying he just wanted to protect the neighborhood from drug dealers. What a bunch of bs ! He and his cronies supported a lavish lifestyle by stealing drug money and shaking down dealers. How many people he's done this to we may never know but one things certain ...they were judge jury and executioners !

[gummy]

22 minutes ago, MTa449 said:

Can you believe that B's ! This dude and his accomplices murdered an alleged drug dealer, attempted to cover it up through false medical assessment and now he's trying to cop a plea by saying he just wanted to protect the neighborhood from drug dealers. What a bunch of bs ! He and his cronies supported a lavish lifestyle by stealing drug money and shaking down dealers. How many people he's done this to we may never know but one things certain ...they were judge jury and executioners !

When you share your ill-gotten gains with those high above you perhaps you think you become untouchable ? We will see if indeed he is or whether his concrete filled barrel is being readied for him now on orders from the "top" to ensure no uncomfortable exposures.

[Henryford]

1 hour ago, Michaelbusnelli said:

I advise "jo Ferrari " to go to "toys r us" and buy some cars replica  so he can play with them in the jail.

He won't go to jail. He will be "reassigned" for a few months until the fuss dies down then back to collecting cars.

[JackMeOff]

If Jo Ferrari had hundreds of millions of baht stashed away... why go through the trouble to torture and extort 2 million baht from a drug dealer?

 

Maybe he participates because he likes the adrenalin, thrill and buddy bonding with his police buddies and considers this as "sport". 

[Marble-eye]

It was a little satisfying to see Joe the coward crying his eyes out and saying to the press, "I want justice" on his way in for another questioning, he should get the same justice he gave to his defenceless victim, the brave police handcuffing a man whilst putting a plastic bag over his head and beating seven bells of sugar out of him.

Totally surreal, if it hadn't been seen on cctv nobody would have believed it, Joe was probably not crying for the victim but the lifestyle he has lost.

[AdamX]

Its still pretty corrupt if not outright illegal.

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by King Cotton
Removed off-topic US politics input and a quote from HappyExpat that had gone the same way..

[Stardust]

21 minutes ago, JackMeOff said:

If Jo Ferrari had hundreds of millions of baht stashed away... why go through the trouble to torture and extort 2 million baht from a drug dealer?

Maybe he participates because he likes the adrenalin, thrill and buddy bonding with his police buddies and considers this as "sport". 

Buy more cars, more girls, more parties, more drugs, etc, etc, greedy people never can get enough.

[Stardust]

2 hours ago, AdamX said:

Every country has its corrupt people in power, Thailand is no different.

At least here I have the choice to pay a cop to turn the other cheek

Good to know your mindset now this says all. Every country? Sure not! Or ask somebody from europe if this style would be possible. But as I said you showed your mindset already!

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Removed off-topic US politics input.

[Lowseasonlover]

2 hours ago, AdamX said:

Every country has its corrupt people in power, Thailand is no different.

At least here I have the choice to pay a cop to turn the other cheek

If you have the money you can get what you want in jail, maybe a nice apartment

Edited August 27, 2021 by King Cotton
Removed off-topic US politics input.

[Lowseasonlover]

1 hour ago, MTa449 said:

Can you believe that B's ! This dude and his accomplices murdered an alleged drug dealer, attempted to cover it up through false medical assessment and now he's trying to cop a plea by saying he just wanted to protect the neighborhood from drug dealers. What a bunch of bs ! He and his cronies supported a lavish lifestyle by stealing drug money and shaking down dealers. How many people he's done this to we may never know but one things certain ...they were judge jury and executioners !

There has been a few guys made a lot of money Taxing dealers back in the UK

[Marble-eye]

Apparantely the sleazeball (Joe) tried to marry his mistress and even laid on a lavish party to propose to her, but his wife and children gatecrashed the party and showed her marriage licence to all and sundry scuppering Joes attempt at bigomy.

 

[AdamX]

21 minutes ago, Lowseasonlover said:

If you have the money you can get what you want in jail, maybe a nice apartment

I'm assuming this is from personal experience?

[AussieBob]

For those unaware of how some police make lots of money in Thailand (way more than the tea money stuff), then you need to know about this from the report:   "... there is a program that rewards police officers and others that assist with recovering illegally smuggled luxury cars with between 30 and 45% of the value of the car, reportedly netting Thitisan 400 million baht. That policy is said to have been revised to 20% with a 5 million baht cap, per case, in 2017."

So if a Thai police officer recovers an illegally smuggled car that subsequently sells for 5 million Baht at auction, they used to get 2.25 million Baht 'bonus', and now they get a 1 million baht bonus.  But for a 20 million baht car they used to get 9 million baht, but now for the same car they only get 4 million baht. 

There you have it - how to make many millions as a policeman.  Then add to that the allegation that some Thai Police will extort money from drug dealers and others (anyone remember that recent mafia shootout with the police).  Plus dont forget that one of the alleged reasons many senior police are extremely rich is because they are alleged to get a partial payment of the funds received from those below them (those legally obtained and the illegal ones too - allegedly).   

 

[Lowseasonlover]

27 minutes ago, AdamX said:

I'm assuming this is from personal experience?

Nope, a friend told me

[King Cotton]

A number of posts that had veered off-topic (towards US politics) have been edited or removed.

Kindly keep to topic or risk having this thread locked that will spoil things for other members who may wish to debate the Jo Ferrari scandal.

Thanks in advance of your cooperation.

King Cotton, Moderator

[9S_]

27 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

So true.  Check out this guy who just got off for murder...mostly because he's an AG in the USA.

[South Dakota Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg will not be going to prison after he struck and killed a pedestrian, the Associated Press reported.]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/south-dakota-attorney-general-who-killed-pedestrian-won-t-serve-jail-time/ar-AANMDmI

You’re comparing an accident to a police officer who makes 40,000 a month AND tortured and murdered a suspect then had the hospital lie that he died of a drug overdose, threatened his girlfriend, bribed the suspects father and tried to flee the country. The same police officer was found to living in a mansion, dozens of luxury cars all on 40,000 a month. You’re comparing that to an accident?

[9S_]

2 hours ago, Marble-eye said:

It was a little satisfying to see Joe the coward crying his eyes out and saying to the press, "I want justice" on his way in for another questioning, he should get the same justice he gave to his defenceless victim, the brave police handcuffing a man whilst putting a plastic bag over his head and beating seven bells of sugar out of him.

Totally surreal, if it hadn't been seen on cctv nobody would have believed it, Joe was probably not crying for the victim but the lifestyle he has lost.

He knows how the game is played. 
 

He’s forking over the “bribe” to avoid the plastic bag

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, 9S_ said:

You’re comparing an accident to a police officer who makes 40,000 a month AND tortured and murdered a suspect then had the hospital lie that he died of a drug overdose, threatened his girlfriend, bribed the suspects father and tried to flee the country. The same police officer was found to living in a mansion, dozens of luxury cars all on 40,000 a month. You’re comparing that to an accident?

You're missing the point.  The South Dakota example demonstrates that people in positions of power (anywhere, including the USA) are not treated the same as regular folk.  I don't dispute the fact that corruption exists in Thailand.  This Jo Ferrari case in particular is rather egregious.  But those who suggests that corruption doesn't exist in the west--or that money and power doesn't afford advantages--are rather naive. 

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[9S_]

19 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

You're missing the point.  The South Dakota example demonstrates that people in positions of power (anywhere, including the USA) are not treated the same as regular folk.  I don't dispute the fact that corruption exists in Thailand.  This Jo Ferrari case in particular is rather egregious.  But those who suggests that corruption doesn't exist in the west--or that money and power doesn't afford advantages--are rather naive. 

Your example is not even remotely comparable to show corruption for people in power. And it’s not even comparable to this corrupt cop!

He pled no contest to the charges, he’s paying a fine to court, he’s facing a civil lawsuit and impeachment. How is that an example of corruption? It was an accident. Do better 

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[Tea]

The funniest bit is that he wore an Isuzu hat the the arraignment. He didn't, and likely wouldn't stoop so low as to own an Isuzu.

[MTa449]

The pitiful press conference revealed the extent of corruption in the system blatantly displayed for the public to see ! "Absolute power corrupts Absolutely " as they say! A system that rewards law enforcement with the " spoils of the catch" only promotes malfeasance and more corruption because police officers incentives are not to uphold the law and protect citizens but instead to gain prestige and power. Its designed to corrupt and eventually will collapse !