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  On 1/28/2025 at 5:14 AM, Khunmark said:

Bob is a master

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Well you got that part right 😁

  On 1/28/2025 at 9:28 AM, Grumpish said:

"I am not racist, I know a black person" 🤣

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So everyone is a racist that does not agree with woke liberal views. So the majority of people in USA are racist because they did not vote for a 'black' person. Sexist too are they? 

Mate - your woke liberal delusions have been rejected and are continuing to be rejected. Being woke now is seen as a bad thing - as it should be.  DEI is being dropped more and more every day by companies and other organisations.  'Fact Checkers' are being removed and replaced with Community Guidelines. Because all those things are fake - like a Dehgree in "gender Studies' - they are all woke liberal BS. It was just a matter of time before the People woke up to the woke liberals, and now that they have, there is no turning back.  

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  On 1/28/2025 at 10:51 AM, AussieBob said:

Mate - your woke liberal delusions have been rejected and are continuing to be rejected.

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Liberal, as in the old-fashioned sense of open minded and tolerant - yes (I do have a low tolerance level for fools though). Woke liberal - no, I see the excesses of the "woke" culture as just as foolish as the labeling of everything that someone disagrees with as "woke".

  On 1/28/2025 at 5:25 AM, rattlesnake said:

100% of Thais (even the Muslim minority) speak Thai as a first language and are culturally Thai. No need to overinterpret or look for complications where there are none.

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So we agree that assimilation occurs across generations. The first wave of immigrants from the Middle East came to Australia in the mid 1980’s during the Lebanese civil war. That generation didn’t speak English or integrate into the mainstream culture. Fast forward 40 years and the 2nd generation of Lebanese families who were born here are as Aussie as any WASP who has a family history tracing back multiple generations.

  On 1/28/2025 at 11:34 PM, Khunmark said:

So we agree that assimilation occurs across generations. The first wave of immigrants from the Middle East came to Australia in the mid 1980’s during the Lebanese civil war. That generation didn’t speak English or integrate into the mainstream culture. Fast forward 40 years and the 2nd generation of Lebanese families who were born here are as Aussie as any WASP who has a family history tracing back multiple generations.

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Same in the UK - my school holiday jobs (in the 1970's ) were in airline catering. the racks were labeled in Urdu and Hindi, then English. Nowadays it is rare to come across anything other than a local accent for someone of Asian origin.

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  On 1/28/2025 at 11:32 AM, Grumpish said:

Liberal, as in the old-fashioned sense of open minded and tolerant - yes (I do have a low tolerance level for fools though). Woke liberal - no, I see the excesses of the "woke" culture as just as foolish as the labeling of everything that someone disagrees with as "woke".

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Hate to tell you this (not 😁) but you are woke mate.  I know you think you are liberal - but your posts and replies are very much woke liberal.  Perhaps you started out as liberal - but you moved to the far left with the crowd of fellow liberals.  

  On 1/29/2025 at 1:35 AM, Grumpish said:

Same in the UK - my school holiday jobs (in the 1970's ) were in airline catering. the racks were labeled in Urdu and Hindi, then English. Nowadays it is rare to come across anything other than a local accent for someone of Asian origin.

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  On 1/28/2025 at 11:34 PM, Khunmark said:

So we agree that assimilation occurs across generations. The first wave of immigrants from the Middle East came to Australia in the mid 1980’s during the Lebanese civil war. That generation didn’t speak English or integrate into the mainstream culture.

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Keep telling yourselves it is all good wokies - but it aint. Let me say these 3 words - Muslim Grooming Gangs.  

We aint talking about the immigrants that assimilate and adopt the local culture - and yes there are plenty of them. We are talking about those that refuse and will never assimilate - our tolerance and patience is at an end.  If you can provide a method to be able to sort out those from the immigrants arriving, then please feel free to provide it. Until then, we say 'close the gates' and for those who have behaved badly - we say 'throw them out'. 

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  On 1/29/2025 at 2:59 AM, AussieBob said:

Let me say these 3 words - Muslim Grooming Gangs.  

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I wish we would use the title they have earned -  pedophiles. predators. poison. etc. 

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  On 1/28/2025 at 11:34 PM, Khunmark said:

So we agree that assimilation occurs across generations. The first wave of immigrants from the Middle East came to Australia in the mid 1980’s during the Lebanese civil war. That generation didn’t speak English or integrate into the mainstream culture. Fast forward 40 years and the 2nd generation of Lebanese families who were born here are as Aussie as any WASP who has a family history tracing back multiple generations.

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This is a false equivalence fallacy, the hordes of immigrants pouring into – and defacing – Europe have nothing to do with what you describe.

It ties into high-level ideologies and policies which are decided without consulting the people, for instance this notion that aging populations and labour shortages are to be compensated through migration rather than natalist policies… the end result being "replacement migration" (as the UN puts it).

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  On 1/29/2025 at 6:47 AM, rattlesnake said:

This is a false equivalence fallacy

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You are absolutely correct Rattles, which is why positing blanket statements about migration is intellectually lazy. 

  On 1/29/2025 at 2:59 AM, AussieBob said:

  If you can provide a method to be able to sort out those from the immigrants arriving, then please feel free to provide it. Until then, we say 'close the gates' and for those who have behaved badly

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In which case you’d better pack your bags and get the next flight back to Australia Bob, because we regular read about the expat community mucking up in Thailand. And as you are unable to make the distinction between the behaviour of an individual opposed to the behave of the community to which that individual belongs you’d best leave before facing deportation. 

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  On 1/30/2025 at 12:07 AM, Khunmark said:

In which case you’d better pack your bags and get the next flight back to Australia Bob, because we regular read about the expat community mucking up in Thailand. And as you are unable to make the distinction between the behaviour of an individual opposed to the behave of the community to which that individual belongs you’d best leave before facing deportation. 

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I'm afraid this is another false equivalence fallacy, Mark. You are equating two unequatable things, as there is a clear difference between Thailand and European countries with regard to the concept of immigration, and everything it implies and entails. 

Expats in Thailand are required to be financially autonomous, whereas the "refugees" in Europe live at the expense of the taxpayers (though said taxpayers were never asked if they agreed to it). They are housed by the State, sometimes very comfortably, which creates a dubious and ethically questionable double standard to the detriment of the native population (there are plenty of examples in France, for example, of native French homeless people who are left to fend for themselves, no association or NGO is there to help you if you are not a migrant).

Crimes committed by foreigners in Thailand are systematically exposed in the media and their antics spark debates and outrage among Thais. On the other hand, the numerous crimes committed by immigrants in Europe are downplayed or ignored altogether most of the time, and the native population is strongly discouraged from complaining about it.

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  On 1/30/2025 at 8:32 AM, rattlesnake said:

I'm afraid this is another false equivalence fallacy, Mark. You are equating two unequatable things, as there is a clear difference between Thailand and European countries with regard to the concept of immigration, and everything it implies and entails. 

Expats in Thailand are required to be financially autonomous, whereas the "refugees" in Europe live at the expense of the taxpayers (though said taxpayers were never asked if they agreed to it). They are housed by the State, sometimes very comfortably, which creates a dubious and ethically questionable double standard to the detriment of the native population (there are plenty of examples in France, for example, of native French homeless people who are left to fend for themselves, no association or NGO is there to help you if you are not a migrant).

Crimes committed by foreigners in Thailand are systematically exposed in the media and their antics spark debates and outrage among Thais. On the other hand, the numerous crimes committed by immigrants in Europe are downplayed or ignored altogether most of the time, and the native population is strongly discouraged from complaining about it.

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Rattles if you’re going to identify false equivalency as your rebuttal, it would be useful to distinguish the specific characteristics that comprise an immigration program. Those elements are legal immigrants on various visas, undocumented immigrants (referred to some as illegal immigrants) and refugees. I cannot speak for France, but in Australia, legal I’m migrants are subject to stringent criteria around language competence, cultural awareness of Australian way of life, levels of education and financial bench marks.
 

Refugees are given support in the recognition that they have come to Australia with nothing and need this support to establish themselves and is no different to any other host country. Both groups immigrants and refugees are appreciative of the new start they have been given.
 

The skilled migrant class add value to the economy and the refugee class are a drain on the economy but their children will be assets to Australian society when the become part of the workforce. The Australian government are willing to pick up the tab for the refugees because it is views as an exercise of ‘soft power’. In Australia refugees it should be note make up a small percentage of new arrivals.

Undocumented immigrants (the third group) is not the issue in Australia that it is France and greater Europe. What I can tell you is they are not in any way, shape or form subsidised by the Australian government beyond food, medical supplies and maintenance of the facilities in which they are housed. Any support they receive beyond that comes from humanitarian organisations as I suspect is the case everywhere else.

I gather when you mention immigration it is the latter category you have in mind (illegals). And for mainland Europe it’s an issue that can’t be fixed by the EU alone. If we revisit the observation made of the French football team I would be highly doubtful that undocumented/illegal immigrants would be representing the French football team.
 

Furthermore, whilst France is subsidising its refugee population I would shocked if it was subsidising the other elements of its legal migration program. What I can guarantee is, those young men playing in French national team would be proud to running out for the red, white and blue. 

It is also worth pointing out that Thailand, a developing nation itself contributes indirectly through the UNHRC funds towards the undocumented Burmese who inhabit its border communities.
 

And finally, with regard to assimilation and loyalties, judging by the posting histories of the expat community on this forum, it’s pretty safe to say Thailand and it’s issues get very little interest when compared to the interest shown on threads pertaining to issues related to the ‘mother country’s. There’s plenty of expats living here who would know who the prime minister is. Anyway rattles I’ve enjoyed the chat.

  On 1/31/2025 at 9:33 AM, Khunmark said:

Rattles if you’re going to identify false equivalency as your rebuttal, it would be useful to distinguish the specific characteristics that comprise an immigration program. Those elements are legal immigrants on various visas, undocumented immigrants (referred to some as illegal immigrants) and refugees. I cannot speak for France, but in Australia, legal I’m migrants are subject to stringent criteria around language competence, cultural awareness of Australian way of life, levels of education and financial bench marks.
 

Refugees are given support in the recognition that they have come to Australia with nothing and need this support to establish themselves and is no different to any other host country. Both groups immigrants and refugees are appreciative of the new start they have been given.
 

The skilled migrant class add value to the economy and the refugee class are a drain on the economy but their children will be assets to Australian society when the become part of the workforce. The Australian government are willing to pick up the tab for the refugees because it is views as an exercise of ‘soft power’. In Australia refugees it should be note make up a small percentage of new arrivals.

Undocumented immigrants (the third group) is not the issue in Australia that it is France and greater Europe. What I can tell you is they are not in any way, shape or form subsidised by the Australian government beyond food, medical supplies and maintenance of the facilities in which they are housed. Any support they receive beyond that comes from humanitarian organisations as I suspect is the case everywhere else.

I gather when you mention immigration it is the latter category you have in mind (illegals). And for mainland Europe it’s an issue that can’t be fixed by the EU alone. If we revisit the observation made of the French football team I would be highly doubtful that undocumented/illegal immigrants would be representing the French football team.
 

Furthermore, whilst France is subsidising its refugee population I would shocked if it was subsidising the other elements of its legal migration program. What I can guarantee is, those young men playing in French national team would be proud to running out for the red, white and blue. 

It is also worth pointing out that Thailand, a developing nation itself contributes indirectly through the UNHRC funds towards the undocumented Burmese who inhabit its border communities.

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Yes, I know how stringent the requirements are to come to Australia, and in my opinion this is how it should be.

I recall that ten years ago, when Europe was invaded under the watchful eye of its politicians, including, but not limited to Merkel's unleashing of 1 million third-world Lumpenproletarians into her country, who were then free to roam all the territories of the Schengen area (a lot of them went through France and then tried to cross over to the UK), I saw videos of the Australian government's messages which were broadcast on TV in third world countries, saying basically "Don't bother trying to go to Australia, you will be turned away". This preemptive dissuasion policy is very coherent and effective, and I envied Australians for that.

Europe is de facto subjected to an organised invasion and this article is about the UK (not part of the EU but that doesn't change anything ultimately), so the comparison of the stark differences with Thailand is relevant (I appreciate this is not the case in Australia). I don't consider it hyperbolic to claim I am a cultural refugee in Thailand (though I love this country and do happen to speak the language at satisfactory level, and I know who the Prime Minister is 😉).

The reason the French team is composed of so many black players is multifactorial. Firstly, for these socially challenged populations, football and hip hop are still considered (and promoted, unfortunately) as means of succeeding in life.

Secondly, the way the selection of young football talents works nowadays is essentially based on physical power, and African body types mature and develop quicker than Caucasian ones. There are promising white players, but they don't cut it physically when they are in their teens.

In any case, the French football team is a reflection of the ideologies which have prevailed these past decades and even if the French are not racist people as a whole, this simply isn't normal.

  On 1/31/2025 at 9:33 AM, Khunmark said:

Furthermore, whilst France is subsidising its refugee population I would shocked if it was subsidising the other elements of its legal migration program. 

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Trust me, it is. And the government also practises social dumping by making them do menial tasks at a fraction of the cost a native would be willing to.

  On 1/31/2025 at 9:33 AM, Khunmark said:

What I can guarantee is, those young men playing in French national team would be proud to running out for the red, white and blue. 

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This is unfortunately untrue, because of the political endeavour to create ghettos over the decades. They resent France because of distant projections about slavery, the Algeria war etc., and are often not culturally French in the traditional sense (I blame the successive governments for this).

  On 1/31/2025 at 9:33 AM, Khunmark said:

And finally, with regard to assimilation and loyalties, judging by the posting histories of the expat community on this forum, it’s pretty safe to say Thailand and it’s issues get very little interest when compared to the interest shown on threads pertaining to issues related to the ‘mother country’s. There’s plenty of expats living here who would know who the prime minister is. 

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Good comment and I agree a lot of (especially younger) farangs living here should make more of an effort (I appreciate that the Thai language is difficult when one moves here at retirement age, when the brain often no longer has the plasticity to learn such a different dialect and its intricacies).

  On 1/31/2025 at 9:33 AM, Khunmark said:

Anyway rattles I’ve enjoyed the chat.

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Likewise.

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  On 1/30/2025 at 12:07 AM, Khunmark said:

In which case you’d better pack your bags and get the next flight back to Australia Bob, because we regular read about the expat community mucking up in Thailand. And as you are unable to make the distinction between the behaviour of an individual opposed to the behave of the community to which that individual belongs you’d best leave before facing deportation. 

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You are being obtuse and probably do not know that mate (look it up). The vast majority of 'Expat' screw-ups are Tourists. Likewise, the vast majority of the 'long stay' Expat screw-ups are single and/or criminals.  Us long term Expats married to a Thai are extremely well behaved - far more than the local population in fact. But the main answer to your ignorant slur is that we long-term Expats do not go around killing Thais because they do not accept our religious and other beliefs - unlike the Muslims down South. 

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  On 1/31/2025 at 9:33 AM, Khunmark said:

Undocumented immigrants (the third group) is not the issue in Australia that it is France and greater Europe. What I can tell you is they are not in any way, shape or form subsidised by the Australian government beyond food, medical supplies and maintenance of the facilities in which they are housed. Any support they receive beyond that comes from humanitarian organisations as I suspect is the case everywhere else.

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Total khrapp - just like everything else you say.  Illegal immigration was slowed a lot in Australia in the 90s because the Govt did what the majority of people wanted - they stopped the boats. They then shipped the 'illegals' off to another country and held them there while their 'refugee' applications were processed.  There was still several thousand a year who got through and arrived on Australian soil. They immediately claim 'refugee' status and under UN laws they must be accepted and supported while their claim is assessed.  This entitles them to free housing, medical care, welfare support and lots of other Govt benefits while their applications are processed.  It take 2-3 years minimum to process the applications, and then they can appeal - twice. The net result they are in country 5+ years and often they get married and have a kid - anchor baby.  Those who are caught and shipped off and processed overseas take 3-5 years to process, and the majority are rejected - by the UN and Australia.

What amazes me is that people like you think it is OK for a 'refugee' fleeing persecution and danger, to travel all the way from Syria etc. to Australia and bypass all those other safe countries.  The stupidity of people amazes me still - the vast majority are illegals entering the country for their own economic and social benefits - just like all those people who cross over from Mexico in USA.  The western world needs more Trumps and Javier Milei and Viktor Orban and Andrzej Duda - in order to protect and preserve our societies and way of life (non-Islamic).

  On 2/1/2025 at 5:56 AM, AussieBob said:

The western world needs more Trumps and Javier Milei and Viktor Orban and Andrzej Duda - in order to protect and preserve our societies and way of life (non-Islamic).

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Well said Bob Bud.

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