Now Afghanistan has been left behind where next will the US invade ?

[longwood50]

38 minutes ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

1st - America should have gotten outta there after they killed Bin Laden.

The USA should have never gone into Afghanistan in the first place.  The 9/11 hijackers were 15 Saudi, 2 UAE 1 Egyptian and 1 Lebanese. The fighters were not trained or financially supported by Afghanistan and using the pretense that it was a training ground for terrorists was about as legitimate as that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. 

No Bush wanted to pound his chest, land on an aircraft carrier and portray himself as someone showing U.S. force in retaliation for the World Trade Center attack. 

Rule number 1, don't pick a fight with an unrelated person

Rule number 2, If you start a war, there are no "measured" responses.  You level the enemy and the country that houses the enemy.

Rule number 3, don't start a war with an enemy you can't defeat.


However, I suspect the reason that the USA was in Afghanistan and Iraq had far more to do with those who make billions selling war munitions pressuring the USA to get itself involved in another protracted war with no intention of winning, and dragging on for as long as possible to keep the stream of money flowing. 


 

[Poolie]

31 minutes ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

Someone will always try to 'run the show' unfortunately.

Remember colonialism, WW2, Crimea, Hong Kong...always some country invading another to gain dominance.

China & Russia would not just mind their business and stay quiet like the world is some hippie commune.

America was pretty much isolationist until Pearl Harbor in 1941. Wish it coulda stayed that way.

Thin reasoning.

[Rain]

36 minutes ago, WaccineChinawatiiRaporn said:

Someone will always try to 'run the show' unfortunately.

Remember colonialism, WW2, Crimea, Hong Kong...always some country invading another to gain dominance.

China & Russia would not just mind their business and stay quiet like the world is some hippie commune.

America was pretty much isolationist until Pearl Harbor in 1941. Wish it coulda stayed that way.

It's obvious that you might've been corrupted or blind to history pre-1941.

[shanghailoz]

1 hour ago, longwood50 said:

However, I suspect the reason that the USA was in Afghanistan and Iraq had far more to do with those who make billions selling war munitions pressuring the USA to get itself involved in another protracted war with no intention of winning, and dragging on for as long as possible to keep the stream of money flowing. 

Stating the obvious, but yes.

[Rain]

1 hour ago, longwood50 said:

The USA should have never gone into Afghanistan in the first place.  The 9/11 hijackers were 15 Saudi, 2 UAE 1 Egyptian and 1 Lebanese. The fighters were not trained or financially supported by Afghanistan and using the pretense that it was a training ground for terrorists was about as legitimate as that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. 

No Bush wanted to pound his chest, land on an aircraft carrier and portray himself as someone showing U.S. force in retaliation for the World Trade Center attack. 

Rule number 1, don't pick a fight with an unrelated person

Rule number 2, If you start a war, there are no "measured" responses.  You level the enemy and the country that houses the enemy.

Rule number 3, don't start a war with an enemy you can't defeat.


However, I suspect the reason that the USA was in Afghanistan and Iraq had far more to do with those who make billions selling war munitions pressuring the USA to get itself involved in another protracted war with no intention of winning, and dragging on for as long as possible to keep the stream of money flowing. 


 

Imagine that. 

Extending the empire by default. 

It's what they do.

It's all they do.

[vlad]

4 hours ago, 23RD said:

On the last budget the Biden administration gave the Military 1.6% and that was further degraded because they stripped funds from it buy other means a bit off smoke and mirrors with their Military funding unlike my Hero Donald J Trump that rebuilt it after the disaster of the Obama administration.

I don't think they'll be in a position to invade anywhere anytime soon they would be better putting troops on their Southern Boarder to secure it.  

Were you in the British Army 23rd ?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, vlad said:

Were you in the British Army 23rd ?

I certainly was vlad

[vlad]

6 minutes ago, 23RD said:

I certainly was vlad

So why are you interested in what goes on at the White house or posting about Biden & Trump ? or indeed American Politics id be more interested in your mates who fought with you in Afgahn not the USMC.

Edited August 18, 2021 by vlad

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, vlad said:

So why are you interested in what goes on at the White house or posting about Biden & Trump ? or indeed American Politics id be more interested in your mates who fought in Afgahn not the USMC.

I've got a lot off time and respect for The US Military I've worked on OP's with them in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as exercises with them in the US and Germany last time I was in Afghanistan their medics in the Pedro's landed during a contact to save a couple off my Soldiers lives after an IED strike I'll never forget for that. Or the hospitality they showed me that's why I always keep an eye out for them also I know many US Veterans here in Pattaya really good folk.

 

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Guest

[9S_]

Fellow Patriots that disagree with democrats. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, 9S_ said:

Fellow Patriots that disagree with democrats. 

Well said brother a new low for the Democrats today when they said they couldn't prioritize US citizens for repatriation from Kabul.

[Benroon]

7 hours ago, gummy said:

You mean like this ?

Where's the crisps !!!! Where's the mother f***er god damn CRISPS !!!!!!!!!

[JamesE]

8 hours ago, shanghailoz said:

American's have never been very good at geography.

But somewhat better in our understanding of the apostrophe.

[JamesE]

7 hours ago, Benroon said:

Noooo your information is outdated my friend - when the taliban were last in power they banned the growing of poppies, however there was national outrage as no-one was making any money, or could get spaced out on a Saturday night so they reversed that decision. They are very unlikely to go down that route again! Too much money involved.

Poppy cultivation increased in areas under Taliban control so they could fund their activities. They are against the use of drugs, but not the sale of same into the west.

[JamesE]

8 hours ago, gummy said:

They have a fine record of invasion's so far in the last 50 years certainly, where next ?

TAT is discussing bringing them in to suppress the Phuket Insurgents. They want a slow ramp up of 1,100 troops per day.

[Rain]

6 hours ago, JamesE said:

Poppy cultivation increased in areas under Taliban control so they could fund their activities. They are against the use of drugs, but not the sale of same into the west.

Clever rascals.

[Faraday]

6 hours ago, JamesE said:

Poppy cultivation increased in areas under Taliban control so they could fund their activities. They are against the use of drugs, but not the sale of same into the west.

Bit like, but probably not as devastating as, the CIA/Contra nonsense.

[gummy]

34 minutes ago, Rain said:

Clever rascals.

Nah not really, just copied what others did before them, namely Great Britain in the 17th/18th centuries trading opium from India to China

[Rain]

2 minutes ago, gummy said:

Nah not really, just copied what others did before them, namely Great Britain in the 17th/18th centuries trading opium from India to China

Shouldn't rush to be so proudly Eurocentric.

Opium, and it's by products, was being traded throughout Asia by Asians long before the barbarians were on the scene. Also applied to most every endeavour.

[kerryd]

The Taliban controlled the poppy production in Afghanistan. The mujahedeen and various warlords controlled it before them. They'd been using poppies to finance their activities for generations, long before the Russians even.

(Note: Kabul used to be a favoured stop on the "hippy trail" that lead to Kathmandu back in the 60s/early 70s. Before the fundamentalists and communists started screwing things up. Back then, women wore Western fashions and went to school, sharing classes with boys and living much like they would have in Europe.)

When the Taliban took over, all they did was stop reporting how much poppy cultivation was happening, This was evidenced by the fact that the flow of opium and heroin into Europe didn't suddenly stop after the Taliban took power.

Keep in mind that even when ISAF was in Afghanistan, it was estimated that 80% of the heroin in Europe came from Afghanistan poppies.

In the lead up to the American invasion in 2001, the Taliban threatened to "throw open the warehouses and flood Europe with opium".
Why ? 
Because they'd been stockpiling warehouses full of opium to drive the prices up !!

And while we were there, the production continued. It cause a huge problem for ISAF because every time they'd burn some poppy fields, they'd create more support for the terrorists !

Why ?
Because the terrorists would tell farmers to grow poppies and they'd pay them (something like) $300 a bushel.
Meanwhile, ISAF was trying to convince the same farmers to grow wheat or soy or watermelons (or whatever) that would fetch $50 a bushel.
So every time ISAF or the Americans would burn some poppy fields, they'd cause resentment from the farmers and more support for the terrorists.

Not to mention that many poor Afghans would borrow money from loan sharks and then be forced to grow poppies to try and repay them (assuming they didn't have any eligible daughters of course).

Eventually they (ISAF) kind of-sort of (quietly) gave up on the poppy eradication plan.

The poppy situation in Afghanistan also exposed the Taliban for their true nature. Base criminals using religion to justify their actions.
Just like ISIS did in Syria/Iraq. Rob banks/jewellery stores, murder village elders, rape women and force them into brothels to service other terrorists, throw gay people from rooftops, burn prisoners alive, destroy ancient monuments and artifacts. 

Literally any and everything they did, they decided was justified by their religion. 

For the Taliban - drugs are haram (forbidden) but then again, they aren't using them. They are selling them to decadent infidels in Europe so that's OK !!

 

[NoshowJones]

On 8/18/2021 at 2:23 PM, gummy said:

As the title say where will American forces go next in the world. Afghanistan and its people have suddenly been deserted by the very people who supposedly were helping them, so what will be the next country they bomb, destroy the infrastructure, give false hopes to its people and then just leave ?  It is become  a common trend now with this and previously Iraq and other countries left by them in a perilous state. So the question is where next will America go to introduce their style of "democracy" or is it they just need conflict to trial their latest war weapons, hopefully in a country that can not fight back too much ?

They have a fine record of invasion's so far in the last 50 years certainly, where next ?

https://davidswanson.org/warlist/

What about the UK during the last hundred odd years? I have no time for any countries who invade other countries against the will of that countries people whether it's America, the UK, or anyone else.

[gummy]

2 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

What about the UK during the last hundred odd years? I have no time for any countries who invade other countries against the will of that countries people whether it's America, the UK, or anyone else.

What about the UK ? This thread is about the question I asked regarding the US. Instead of attempting a deflective post why not start a new thread of your own ion the subject matter that you questioned ?

[spanawaybob]

I'm an American and lost 3000 fellow citizens on 911, we did the job at hand but greedy hands and war profiteers kept us there 10 years too long...same with Iraq,  but it's very difficult to be a democracy in the free world and live by rules unlike china and Russia and Iran and NKorea who will gas their own people along with the enemy,  so I would think that the USA IS THE  LESSER OF THE MAIN WARMONGERS IN THIS WORLD!  Russia invaded Crimea and SOON CHINA WILL INVADE TAIWAN!

[Maxellus]

Love all the anti-American comments on here.  It's like the defund the police movement.  You hate them until you realize you need them.  How long do you think it would take for China to kick everyone out of the South China Sea permanently if it weren't for the US. Who else is providing support to countries on the level the United States have?  People in Myanmar have asked for US intervention specifically.  I have you ever heard a country in peril say "where are the (whatever applies to you) here?"  Yes we should have left Afghanistan a long time ago.  Maybe you guys should be the one's confronting China in the South China Sea more often.  The Philippines were going to do that.  They weren't going to reinstate the mutual defense treaty with the US until they realized that wasn't such a good idea.

[colinneil]

10 minutes ago, spanawaybob said:

so I would think that the USA IS THE  LESSER OF THE MAIN WARMONGERS IN THIS WORLD!  

Surely you jest !!!! Lesser warmongers, my backside, your lot are the BIGGEST warmongers on the planet.

Vietnam, got involved and got your a##ses kicked, Iraq, weapons of mass destrution ? Just more BS .

Afganistan, the taliban did not have involvement in 9/11, so why invade?

Invade cause many people to lose their lives, then walk away, bloody disgusting act, left many, many thousands of people who helped you, in peril of their lives.

Edited August 19, 2021 by colinneil