The Pentagon gave Biden severe warnings, about the possibility of the Taliban overrunning the Afghan army

[9S_]

3 minutes ago, vlad said:

Why are these threads even allowed on here its already gone the same as other sites just blaming others and yanks spoiling it for others who wants to open up TT  and see this yank Rhetoric.

So censorship? It’s pretty easy to ignore these threads. Just go to another one. 

[mcambl61]

25 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

Actually closer to 250 million white people in the US as of 2019. And as a white man, that is a very scary thing.

Yes, democrats have always hated the white man, it is the foundation of their white guilt propaganda. 

Mommy must be proud. 

[vlad]

See what i mean no interest debating just crap which im getting fed up with having to see. page after page now.

[dmacarelli]

1 hour ago, Fluke said:

Why does that scare you ?

If you have to ask, no need for an answer. As a white man, I am able to admit to many of our shortcomings. People tend to label me a race hater, but how can a white man be labeled that? More like a responsible adult, that can admit to many of the shortcomings of my race. Some of the scariest people in America are white men. 

[Fluke]

Just now, dmacarelli said:

If you have to ask, no need for an answer. As a white man, I am able to admit to many of our shortcomings. People tend to label me a race hater, but how can a white man be labeled that? More like a responsible adult, that can admit to many of the shortcomings of my race. Some of the scariest people in America are white men. 

You treat people differently according to their race , that is the definition of a racist .

Even you stating that you are a White man so are different to non White man , is the definition of a racist statement .

  Some people do indeed have short comings , but its a personal thing, rather than a racial thing .

   Some people are bad , individual people , its not a racial thing . 

You are no different to the people who suggest that all Muslims are terrorist , its just that you are focusing on a different group of people 

[mcambl61]

24 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

If you have to ask, no need for an answer. As a white man, I am able to admit to many of our shortcomings. People tend to label me a race hater, but how can a white man be labeled that? More like a responsible adult, that can admit to many of the shortcomings of my race. Some of the scariest people in America are white men. 

Wow, the liberal progressive white guilt propaganda has really been absorbed by you. 

 

Why do leftists always resort to race and skin color? 

 

But then you are a "centrist"

[9S_]

32 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

More like a responsible adult, that can admit to many of the shortcomings of my race

Will you, as a responsible white man, give up all of your possessions, wealth, salary, money etc to a poor minority? 

[vlad]

What has this to do with the Topic headline 9s ???

[Rain]

6 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

Actually closer to 250 million white people in the US as of 2019. And as a white man, that is a very scary thing.

As is the cultural mindset and traditions to match. 

[longwood50]

On 8/31/2021 at 1:46 PM, dmacarelli said:

Actually closer to 250 million white people in the US as of 2019. And as a white man, that is a very scary thing.

One way or another, it is a ludicrous politically correct posture that all ethnic groups and religions have the same propensity for terrorism.  There has never been a terrorist attack whose perpetrator was Black, Hispanic, or Asian.  

To deny the unmistakable truth that followers of "Islam" have a greater propensity and therefore likelihood to be terrorists is akin to denying that there is no disparity in rates of abortion, between races, or that all ethnic groups have proportionately the same number of children born out of wedlock.  

I also no of no instance in those terrorist attacks that were not conducted by Muslims where the perpetrator extolls their religion by shouting praise to it while committing the violence. 

[dmacarelli]

17 minutes ago, longwood50 said:

One way or another, it is a ludicrous politically correct posture that all ethnic groups and religions have the same propensity for terrorism.  There has never been a terrorist attack whose perpetrator was Black, Hispanic, or Asian.  

To deny the unmistakable truth that followers of "Islam" have a greater propensity and therefore likelihood to be terrorists is akin to denying that there is no disparity in rates of abortion, between races, or that all ethnic groups have proportionately the same number of children born out of wedlock.  

I also no of no instance in those terrorist attacks that were not conducted by Muslims where the perpetrator extolls their religion by shouting praise to it while committing the violence. 

I agree with the percentage thing. But, you must admit plenty of mass shootings (terror attacks), serial killings (terror attacks), mass rapes (terror attacks), genodice (terrorism) and other atrocities have been committed by white men. Plenty. 

[Fluke]

29 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

I agree with the percentage thing. But, you must admit plenty of mass shootings (terror attacks), serial killings (terror attacks), mass rapes (terror attacks), genodice (terrorism) and other atrocities have been committed by white men. Plenty. 

You do not seem to know what the words "Terror attack" means .

You first need to study and understand what words mean, before you begin using those words .

   The definition of a terror attack is :

 

 

"the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives."

 

  Serial killers /rapists do not fit into the category of terrorists 

[dmacarelli]

17 hours ago, Fluke said:

You do not seem to know what the words "Terror attack" means .

You first need to study and understand what words mean, before you begin using those words .

   The definition of a terror attack is :

"the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives."

  Serial killers /rapists do not fit into the category of terrorists 

I was not being scholarly in my application of the word or description. And I am not even attempting to defend Muslims. They do have a major issue with their extremists, and a huge PR problem.

Perhaps inflicting terror on people, is more accurate. And my point being that white people may have a different agenda, but are capable of equal degrees of cruelty and mayhem. Does Timothy McVeigh come to mind? The unabomber? I could go on, and on and on, with regard to insane white extremists. 

Edited September 4, 2021 by dmacarelli

[mcambl61]

47 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

I was not being scholarly in my application of the word or description. And I am not even attempting to defend Muslims. They do have a major issue with their extremists, and a huge PR problem.

Perhaps inflicting terror on people, is more accurate. And my point being that white people may have a different agenda, but are capable of equal degrees of cruelty and mayhem. Does Timothy McVeigh come to mind? The unabomber? I could go on, and on and on, with regard to insane white extremists. 

The continued white guilt syndrome. 

[longwood50]

19 hours ago, dmacarelli said:

I agree with the percentage thing. But, you must admit plenty of mass shootings (terror attacks), serial killings (terror attacks), mass rapes (terror attacks), genodice (terrorism) and other atrocities have been committed by white men. Plenty. 

Two points.  Yes there have been a lot of mass killings by white men.  Since 2000 the FBI recorded a total of 90 attacks 34 or a full 38% of the attacks were Muslims.  Now when you have 250 million Caucasians with a total of 56 attacks that is a rate of 56/250 or 22/100 attacks per million people.  There are 3.4 million Muslims living in the USA.  So 34/3.4 is a rate is 10 attacks per million.  The rate is not just higher.  It is 45 times higher.  To deny they correlation between the number of Muslims who are allowed to enter the country and the expected rate of increased terrorism is foolish.  By contrast, you can let millions in who are from S.E. Asia and you have Zero terrorism attacks.  

Point 2.  Many of the attacks listed as terrorism by the FBI such as the Sandy Hook shootings or the targeting of police are in my mind totally different than true terrorism.  They are heinous crimes but not born out of radical teaching intended to create fear and terror in the public. 

If you allow thousands to enter from El Salvador your odds of having a percentage of them be MS-13 gang members is substantially higher than if you let the same number of people in from Cambodia.  If you let thousands in from Sicily, your odds of having a percentage of them be mafia is exponentially higher than the same number of people coming from Sweden.  The same is true with letting Muslims into the USA.  You can not identify which ones are truly "immigrants" and which ones are mercenaries who either come to do terrorism during their stay or implant their children with ideologies of hatred against those who do not follow their beliefs. 

[dmacarelli]

Good quote from an excellent Canadian drama Hyena Road. about the wasteland known as Afghanistan. Possibly the best film ever made about that war. 

These people here. They have no use for what we have on offer. They don't want Justin Bieber or Tom Jefferson or our fricking pornography. They just want our money and a little bit of stability. So how do we win? There is no winning. Just an end state laid down by our state department. 

And in this case, no end game. Just alot of American hubris. Will they ever learn? I doubt this war was ever winnable. 

[Fluke]

3 minutes ago, dmacarelli said:

Good quote from an excellent Canadian drama Hyena Road. about the wasteland known as Afghanistan. Possibly the best film ever made about that war. 

These people here. They have no use for what we have on offer. They don't want Justin Bieber or Tom Jefferson or our fricking pornography. They just want our money and a little bit of stability. So how do we win? There is no winning. Just an end state laid down by our state department. 

And in this case, no end game. Just alot of American hubris. Will they ever learn? I doubt this war was ever winnable. 

Best off asking the Afghanis what they want, rather than asking a Canadian about what he thinks the Afghanis want .

[Fester]

On 8/16/2021 at 5:24 PM, MrStretch said:

It wouldn't have mattered what contingency planning they put in place.  Without actual military presence and control, Afghanistan was already doomed to fall to the Taliban.

That's what they want...that's what they get.  Leave them to it.

It's time the US let countries like Afghanistan implode.  We should do our best to contain them inside their own borders, but if they want to be fundamentalist asses, let them be.

It would have mattered to those poor souls who got blown up in the crowd near the airport.

[Fester]

On 8/22/2021 at 1:44 PM, vlad said:

In the UK we have a problem with Refugees ? crossing the English Channel in Inflatables we know some are Isis or Taliban or other fighters for Islam. They simply shave there Beards off and look like most of the refugees. Our home secretary and the do gooders screamed at us to allow only Children be allowed in but we now know because some were over 25 and in certain Anti -Terrorist circles were " Of fighting age ". Most attacks in the UK were committed by Islamist's allowed into the country who like  Longwood 50 said they did not sneak in to the UK Stonker. One of the worst being the Manchester Bomber Salman and his Brother Hashem Abedi, brought to the Country as kids from Syria by brought up in Manchester. There parents allowed in because they fled libya as there father was an Islamist group opposed to Gadaffi so it was obvious who radicalized there Son's, and years down the line this jihadist killed kids at an Ariane Grande Concert. 

It was Libya bit he was UK born.

[Fester]

On 8/27/2021 at 10:43 PM, Stonker said:

Not much more I can add - so every "government official" is a liar. Oh well ...

Not all of them. 

[Fester]

On 8/30/2021 at 7:05 PM, Stonker said:

I've no idea why you're telling me this when I've already not only told you about the Doha agreement but quoted it for you and given you a direct link to it.

Obviously, though, despite being given a direct link, it was too much to expect you to actually read it.

There was no such clause. If there was, quote it or give the para number.

Ignorance is no excuse for sheer stupidity if you're spoon fed but you're unable or unwilling to read what's put in front of you and instead all you can do is copy some childish cartoon.

I was attempting to engage in adult, rational debate - obviously I was wasting my time.

You can look at part 2, item 1, which was broken multiple times this year by the Taliban. This agreement was made void months ago. 

[Fester]

On 8/30/2021 at 11:55 PM, Stonker said:

Sorry, I can't be bothered with this level of ignorance and idiocy any more.

Headache again?

[Stonker]

7 minutes ago, Fester said:

This agreement was made void months ago

No, it was void in March last year, within a month of being signed, as the Afghan government refused to meet the conditions the  Americans had agreed to on their behalf which were required for the agreement to go ahead.

9 minutes ago, Fester said:

You can look at part 2, item 1, which was broken multiple times this year by the Taliban. 

You can't break an agreement that's already void!

[Fester]

2 hours ago, Stonker said:

No, it was void in March last year, within a month of being signed, as the Afghan government refused to meet the conditions the  Americans had agreed to on their behalf which were required for the agreement to go ahead.

You can't break an agreement that's already void!

The Doha agreement and requirements within it was between the Taliban and the United States of America. Now, if there is another agreement involving the "Afghan Government", I haven't heard of any.

Afghan - Taliban negotiations post Doha were rare, weak and inconclusive. Both sides were stalling and consequently nothing was in place by August this year. In the meantime the Taliban were steadily taking control of more and more regions, which was enough reason for the US not to leave on 31^st August.  

[Stonker]

4 hours ago, Fester said:

The Doha agreement and requirements within it was between the Taliban and the United States of America. Now, if there is another agreement involving the "Afghan Government", I haven't heard of any.

Afghan - Taliban negotiations post Doha were rare, weak and inconclusive. Both sides were stalling and consequently nothing was in place by August this year. In the meantime the Taliban were steadily taking control of more and more regions, which was enough reason for the US not to leave on 31^st August.  

The US made the commitment, due to take place by 10 March 2020.

That never happened.

If you want to blame the US and the Trump administration for breaking the agreement, knock yourself out.